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The shorter-term improvement above (2) is now live in version 10.9.1, but with a change: it's SHIFT+CMD+click/drag (the CMD key, not the OPT key). This multi-selects/unselects cells in the range grid (toggle behavior).

A note on general usage, I recommend using the "Filter" button/operation for the bulk of your range narrowing/filtering work going from street to street, and then doing any remaining small leftover editing work manually using e.g. SHIFT+CMD+click/drag to select/unselect exactly the cells you want to modify. The reason is that the Filter button/operation is automatic and does a lot of work fast and is error-free, whereas manual edits made by just eyeballing the range can be tedious and error-prone. And as you make your range narrowings, you can save each iteration into the 100 range slots so you can study them later (e.g. their # of hand combos) and go back and forth if needed.

Edit: Just an fyi here's a link to the tutorial section for the filter range feature.

Nice update. Those little tweak here and there are really cool.

This software is simply the best poker software for MAC available today period.

I think the strongest part of the software is it's user friendly UI. I have a Windows OS installed on one of my MAC HD and although i got Flopzilla, Combonator, Poker Ranger and PIO Solver, i keep coming back to Poker Cruncher to analyse hands. Sometimes i simply have my laptop beside me running the software and the Windows's software opened to go along.

Good job and thank you for providing us with a tremendous efficient poker software for MAC, besides you options are useless.

Thanks for words of support and for good impressions about this program!
A couple of new additions in the last few months have been your suggestions, thanks for sending (e.g. reminding me about the next card heat map). I know I also have decided 'no' on a couple of your suggestions, thanks for understanding and for continuing to use this program.
Regards, -RJ

I want to buy a expert version but im not sure if i can set the flop/turn to a chosen pattern such as "monotone flop","4 straight turn“such as 4567 or 4568. or a two-tone flop+flush possible turn.
I want to see the average stats of all chosen flops/turns,not a single one.

I noticed the expert software has a funciton of "dealt to turn",is
it means the "hit stats" is an average every flops+every turns?
so i want to know if i can choose a specific type of flop+turn such
as four monotone turn, all or two-tone flop+flush possible turn.

So far as i know,only Flopfalcon provide the customized flop "paired flop/monotone and so on",but no customized turn.

Re. your first paragraph, I have already answered that in this post in the PokerCruncher-iOS thread; you posted this question in that thread first.

Here are answers to your follow-up questions:

>>> I noticed the expert software has a funciton of "dealt to turn",is it means the "hit stats" is an average every flops+every turns?

Yes the stats (not just the "hit hand" stats, but also the "make hand" stats, and equities) are based on an average of all possible flop+turn cards.

>>> so i want to know if i can choose a specific type of flop+turn such as four monotone turn, all or two-tone flop+flush possible turn.

The answer is no, as I already wrote in my earlier reply on this. That is, this program doesn't have the feature "board ranges". I believe entering representative specific board cards like 4567 (4-straight) works well enough to study situations.

The function of "dealt to turn" is just one step away from the function I required, so I just can't help confirming from you.

Is there any chance that this function can be added to PokerCruncher? I really need this,and I am willing to pay extra fee for it.

It's a very unique function and selling point that no other software can provide it.

No, at least in my current thinking, as I've written in my last two posts on this. And I gave my reasons already: just enter a representative flop or flop+turn e.g. 4567 to study a 4-card Straight board. I don't see the big added utility or bang for the buck in a general "board ranges" feature for this.

Maybe I'm missing something. If you think "board ranges" would be really useful, can you please give a practical usage case/scenario? (not just theoretical curiosity).

I analyzed in HoldemManager about out of position opponents' betting frequency when the flop goes check check on monotone flop.
In holdemmanager you can't see opponents' mucked hold cards,but you can deduce their range from the frequency.
Fishy players bet 40% on the turn,Reg players bet 30%.It was really low,so I check in Flopzilla to see what is exactly top 40% or 30% Turn betting range of monotone flop+another color turn.But I can only generate one monoflop+several turn at once to check the hand value.But different flop generate different hand value.

Somehow i found that when opponent bet in this situation,because of their low betting frequency ,their range is much stronger than I thought,and they are totally underbluff.

If i can review all possible flop+turn of special pattern,the conclusion will be more universally and accurate

I think I get the gist of what you're trying to do: look at your hand history and do a statistical analysis. I agree the statistics part on various betting actions is good info., but I don't think the further range and calculation work you want to do is a good way to analyze. Reasons below.

>>> so I check in Flopzilla to see what is exactly top 40% or 30% Turn betting range of monotone flop+another color turn.

So you're creating one range that you can enter into a program to capture many villains' ranges across many hands in your hand history? To me this doesn't look like a good way to go. One reason is that in one hand villain may be a LAG, in another hand villain may be a TAG, i.e. totally different frequencies and tendencies and ranges.

So I think the analysis you're trying to do is best done one hand at a time in your hand history. I believe trying to combine dozens or hundreds of hands' results into one scenario that you can enter into a program won't give you accurate and applicable results.

>>> But I can only generate one monoflop+several turn at once to check the hand value.But different flop generate different hand value.

So you can't do what you want in Flopzilla either? Just curious did you suggest your "board ranges/patterns" feature to the author of Flopzilla? I'd be curious as to their take on your feature.

>>> Somehow i found that when opponent bet in this situation,because of their low betting frequency ,their range is much stronger than I thought,and they are totally underbluff.

Note you're talking one opponent at a time here, which is the way I'd analyze this. So this is easy to model in this program, create a range for the opponent, and for the flop+turn cards enter the cards from the hand history. I don't see the need to use ranges/patterns for the board because you're analyzing this one particular hand, so just enter that hand's specific board cards.

>>> If i can review all possible flop+turn of special pattern,the conclusion will be more universally and accurate

I don't agree. I think the most accurate way to analyze this is one hand at a time, one villain at a time, not to try to combine many hands / villains in your hand history into one generic hand range and one generic board range/pattern.

Does this app have the capacity to break down ranges by percentage of different holdings?

For example on a Jc8d2h flop a 6-50% BB def range will have a;

-a pair or better 40% of the time
-8x or better 30% of the time

Cheers

Yes, for an example see the screenshot in this section of the app's tutorial. Note the "View at full size" link below the screenshot.

In this screenshot we're looking at a range's flop stats (middle column of app's window) on a specific flop. There are a few dozen stats: made hands, draws, and combination draws. The related stats in your examples would be OnePair, MiddlePair, TopPair, OverPair, etc.

For the "or better" part you can add up several stats on your own, or better, use the app's "Total Hit" stat (tutorial section) at the bottom of the view to add/union up all the stats you're interested in (takes overlapping of stats into account).

The above referenced screenshot also shows the "mouse over a range's stats" feature in action, which highlights each hand type in the range grid and shows detailed hand combo info. on each stat. In this screenshot we're mousing over the TopPair stat.

Thanks for checking out PokerCruncher-Expert-Mac.

Hey rj999,

I thought about something that could be cool as a future update.

Let's say i enter a given range for Hero then for Villain.
I put a fop.
And now i do some filtering for Hero. Let's say i filter sets, 2P, overpair and TP.
It could be cool to have a button that give us the rest of Hero range that doesn't pass through the filter.
This way if we filter what we bet, for example, then hitting that particular button would give us automatically our checking range (the leftovers).

I know that we can use the SHIFT+Filter and this way it will give us the combinations that weren't selected but what about the times i specifically select some combos of TP for example, not all of them.

Let me give you a clear example.

I have a original range put on. This would be the first range enter for player 1 for example.
I put a flop (Deal to Flop)
Now i filter TP.
And in the hand matrix i tweak a bit those TP removing some combos.
If we could had a button that would give us the difference between the current range we have now and the original range from the prior street it would be really useful when we design some ranges for a mixed strategy.

Hello,
Happy holidays.

>>> If we could had a button that would give us the difference between the current range we have now and the original range from the prior street it would be really useful

This kind of range arithmetic operations (subtracting/adding ranges from/with each other) is of course useful. I believe this program can already do what you want using:

Shift+<Quick-Load Range> *Add* Selected SUBRANGE To Current Range
Ctrl+<Quick-Load Range> *Remove* Selected SUBRANGE From Current Range

I.e. hold down the SHIFT or CTRL key and use the quick-load range pulldown list.

The keyboard shortcuts help screen lists these commands, as does the tooltip for the quick-load range pulldown button.

For a typical usage scenario, I'd save the original range and the filtered range into the quick-saved ranges slots. I personally reserve the first 10 slots (out of 100) for such temporary range and subranges work. Then you can use the above commands to do subtracts/adds between ranges. Then also quick-save the resulting ranges into further range slots to save/track your work.

The quick-load/save range pulldown lists show each range's # of hand combos directly in the lists so e.g. you can make sure your subranges' combo counts add up to the original range's total, etc.

Do let me know if these range addition/subtraction commands will help in your usage. Thanks.

In the iPhone app if you calculate the equity of Tx vs a random hand it gives 52.3% equity with 50.5% chance to win but ProPokerTools gives an equity of 50.5% with odds of winning being 48.7%. Equity of 9x against a random hand shows up as 50.5% in the app but PPP has it at 48.8% equity.

First a small point for next time, note that this thread is for the Mac-Expert version of PokerCruncher. The iOS version has its own thread. Not a big deal, let's continue here.

To investigate things like this it's good to get your scenario's export-text so I can see exactly what setup you entered and reproduce it on my side. In the iPhone version, in the main screen, Menu -> Export/Import & Share -> View Scenario Text -> Export. Then please copy/paste your scenario's text in this thread.

I need to see exactly how you entered the Tx, i.e. if you entered something that's almost Tx but not quite Tx. Thanks.

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chinagambler,
1+ week now and no further info. from you on this.
Was expecting either a "my bad; there's no problem here" or your scenario's export-text from the app showing the specifics of your claimed bug. But to just leave this hanging doesn't seem good. I'll try to resolve here.

I see no bug here.
Re. the 52.3% equity you got in this app, I'm guessing this is what you set up (iPhone and Mac-Expert versions give the same results):

That is, you assigned a specific Ten card from the deck to one of the players. If you did this, note that this isn't Tx by the normal definition of Tx. Tx, or Ax, Kx, etc., means an un-paired hand. But Player1 above could get TT, a pair, if his second card also winds up being a Ten. Again I'm just guessing that this is what you might have done. The right way to enter Tx is to use hand ranges.

Also I think your definition of Tx, Jx, Qx, etc. might be different than the standard definition. To me e.g. Qx means the second card is of lower rank than Q. So this doesn't include QK and QA (and QQ).

Also, I entered some Tx type hands in this app using hand ranges, and also in PokerStove, and got the same equity results. So I believe the problem here is on your side in what you consider to be the meaning of Tx, and how you're entering this in the various programs you're looking at.

Your exact scenario texts in the programs you're using would nail down the issue.

I've had the iOS version on my iPhone for a year ... What can I do on the mac version that I can't do on the iOS version? Looking for value here lol

(Disclosure: I'm the developer of PokerCruncher.)

A lot! The Mac version is the "Expert" version vs. the "Advanced" iOS and Android versions. The Mac expert-level features are listed in this section of the tutorial.

Some of the extra Mac expert-level features:

* range equity distribution graphs
* additional hand ranking systems (8)
* %age weights in hand ranges
* filter hand ranges
* manage subranges

* mouse-over a range's stats
* customizable "Total Hit" stat

* next card heat map
* history of calc'ed scenarios

There are more features; the above webpage link lists and explains all of them with screenshots. Plus there's the additional text editing/input and mouse flexibility of working on a Mac which makes doing things faster.

Re. value, the Mac-Expert version is more expensive than the iOS and Android versions but as all of the PokerCruncher apps are one time initial purchases with free updates and improvements forever, I'm confident that customers will get good value.

Thanks for the info... The advanced app did a lot for my game so most likely grab the expert.

Hey RJ,

I don't know if it would be long/hard to do this option but it would be nice to have the possibility to have any range in a text version with each every single hands.

For example if we have AA and KK it would be cool to have them listed as : AhAd AhAc AhAs AdAc Ad As AcAs KhKd KhKc KhKs KdKc KdKs KcKs etc.

The reason is simple, it would be a lot easier to copy paste our ranges from PokerCruncher to different apps like PIOSolver and/or PokerRanger. Sometimes it doesn't transfer well form an app to an other because of the way they strip down the range.

It wouldn't be too hard, the building blocks are already there in the code, but any new feature takes work and time. And I have some questions first.

So this would be a second/alternative range text syntax that lists out all the individual combos in the range one by one. That's such a verbose and un-manageable way of writing out a range!, and the range text would be much harder to read and understand. E.g. instead of text "JJ+, AKs, AKo", the text would be a long string of 40 combos, yuck.

And I don't see yet if this is really necessary. PokerCruncher uses the standard range syntax that's been around for decades e.g. "JJ+, AKs, AKo". I would think any serious hand range program will understand this syntax. I don't personally use the two programs you mentioned, but I looked at some screenshots of PokerRanger and saw range texts in this syntax. Don't know about PIOSolver, but as said before any serious range program needs to understand the standard range syntax, so if they don't, the work item is on their side imo not in PokerCruncher.

>>> Sometimes it doesn't transfer well form an app to an other because of the way they strip down the range.

So I don't see this yet. Can you please give a specific range text example that doesn't transfer well out of PokerCruncher-Expert-Mac?

Note that the %age weights feature in PokerCruncher-Expert-Mac is the only feature that won't transfer well out of this program. Not all programs have %age weights in ranges, and if they do it might be in a different form. E.g. in PokerCruncher-Expert-Mac:

JJ+, AKs, AKo; Weights: AA:25%, KK:50%

To aid with exporting this I kept the weights section separate by itself at the end of the text. So you can copy/paste just the leading part up til the ";" and that will import into other programs because it's the standard range syntax.

Hey RJ,

Sorry, i should have been more precise. Yes i was talking about when ranges are weighted. I think the work around you provided will do the trick here.

I will provide screenshots of how both other softwares writes down ranges with weights in it.

Ok.
But am a little surprised to hear that weights are the main issue. Because in your first post on this you gave a very detailed example listing out all of the combos in your example and it didn't have any weights.

Re. the weights syntax in PokerCruncher, it has the weights section at the end by itself (the weights aren't interspersed in the individual combos themselves), because I wanted the "prefix" property: this way the leading/prefix part of a range's text is just plain/vanilla range syntax that you can copy/paste into any other program. If the weights were interspersed, copy/pasting would get more complicated because I don't think there's a standard enough syntax for weights across all these various programs.

Sorry if this has been asked already, but I didn't see it. If I purchase the desktop version, does that come with the phone or iPad version as well? If not, is there a package to get all of them? Thanks!

Hello,

>>> If I purchase the desktop version, does that come with the phone or iPad version as well?

No, it does not.
The main reason is that the app store doesn't allow Mac and iOS apps to be bundled together. The Mac App Store and iOS App Store are separate app stores.

>>> If not, is there a package to get all of them? Thanks!

The only app bundle/package deal is for the 4 iPhone apps and is called "PokerCruncher Advanced Odds Apps Bundle" in the iOS app store. This includes:

* PokerCruncher-Advanced-iPhone
* Tournament Cruncher (ICM)
* Poker Odds Teacher
* Hold'em Odds Quizzer

Here's the link to the bundle.

Regards, -RJ