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01-07-2010 , 06:17 PM
Another feature that would be nice is simply the ability to name the saved hand ranges.
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01-08-2010 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Trankuility
RJ,

First, love the app. Great stuff! Second, can you add a feature that will show you only the range of hands that have the desired equity vs villains range?

The range breakdown feature comes close but since some of the colors merge it can be a bit hard for me to tell which hands really are profitable. What I'd like to see added is a button on the range breakdown window that will show you only the hands that are >= the desired equity, and then be able to export it.
Thanks for the good feedback. In the last update I added a slider in the heat map screen that lets you specify the upper/lower equity boundaries. The default is 30% above/below breakeven equity. This may help with your suggestion - Say you want to see all cells that are 10% above breakeven equity. Set the slider to 10%. All cells you're interested in will turn dark green.

The export is easy to add but I didn't add it because the cell equities have a high variance and I didn't want people to rely on them too much. I wanted the heat map to give a quick overall picture of the range's equity breakdown so you can detect overall patterns.

The next update is still the pure flop hit stats feature.
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01-08-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trankuility
Another feature that would be nice is simply the ability to name the saved hand ranges.
Agree, this will help, but will add this at some point only if the UI work turns out to be small, have to weigh this against other work. Thanks for suggestions.
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01-15-2010 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rj999

Thanks for feedback, it's an iterative process.
I love it when you use big words.
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01-15-2010 , 02:18 PM
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I love it when you use big words.
iterative isn't a big word. Sesquipedalian and antidisestablishmentarianism are big words. Iterative has a mere 4 syllables.
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01-19-2010 , 06:35 PM
any chance this beauty will be ported to android? would be awesome.
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01-19-2010 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mightycow
any chance this beauty will be ported to android? would be awesome.
Thanks for your message. Coincidentally I talked with a friend / former coworker about an Android port this past weekend. We'll talk again but nothing definite. Haven't started a Mac/PC version either, that might be higher priority.

But I think "port to Android" glosses over the details; the question is which Android phone? iPhone being a closed platform has advantages - can design/write/build an app for one fixed platform and screen size and hardware and target tens of millions of devices in one blow. Android being open, have to deal with many different phones with different screen sizes and possible customizations to Android, or changes at the device layer level, etc. This will require separate coding and testing (but I don't know anything about coding for Android).

So you have to pick one target Android phone to start with, and whichever current phone you pick (Droid, Nexus One, etc.) isn't going to have the iPhone/touch's units and growth. I'm looking forward to this month's earnings statements from the players in this field to see how the various devices' units and growth stack up.

iPhone version update - the recent "flop hit stats" suggestion is implemented and working, will submit by end of week. You'll be able to toggle between the current "make hand" stats and the stronger requirement "hit flop" stats. So for AK the default/current *make* OnePair on flop stat will show 40% but the *hit* OnePair on flop stat will show 29%. This should go live in about 2..3 weeks.
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01-20-2010 , 01:11 PM
I just purchased. Seems like a great tool, however, the first test hand analyzed I output an inaccurate result.

Sample hand is
Player 1: Td9d
Player 2: All PPs, All broadways, all suited connectors

Flop: Ad 7d Jc

PokerCruncher shows player 1 equity to be 9.91%, see attached.

PokerStove EV for player 1, identical analysis is 53%

203,940 games 0.016 secs 12,746,250 games/sec

Board: Ad 7d Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.071% 52.03% 01.04% 106113 2119.50 { Td9d }
Hand 1: 46.929% 45.89% 01.04% 93588 2119.50 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

Could be user error. If so, let me know how to enter correctly. If not, please work on this issue.

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01-20-2010 , 01:30 PM
click the "deal to" button until it doesn't say hole cards,flop,turn

right now you're just doing the equity as if the cards stopped on the flop thats why you're getting the low result
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01-20-2010 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbluffben
click the "deal to" button until it doesn't say hole cards,flop,turn

right now you're just doing the equity as if the cards stopped on the flop thats why you're getting the low result
thanks!!!! works like a charm!
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01-20-2010 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by goingfishing
thanks!!!! works like a charm!
Great, thanks for getting the app guys and for clearing this up.

Accidently setting DealTo=xxx has tripped up others before. I think one reason is that PokerStove doesn't have DealTo=xxx and flop texture analysis so people don't understand it and its effect when they see it in PokerCruncher the first time.

Or maybe people aren't noticing the DealTo vertical line marker on the screen. To make the marker clearer I have colored it light-blue instead of gray, see pic below. This will be in the next update V.3.0.1 which should go live in 2..3 weeks (on track to submit by end of week).

The pic also shows the new "flop hit" stats in action for AKo. The flop hit stats that are different than the default (weaker condition) "make hand" stats are also colored light-blue. E.g. the "hit" TwoPair stat is 2.0% and the current (weaker) "make" stat is 4.0% (this stat includes the cases where the flop pairs).

Thanks for writing, any and all feedback helps improve the app. I can't promise I'll implement every suggestion, but probably most.

Sneak peek at V.3.0.1's "flop hit stats" feature:

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01-21-2010 , 08:45 PM
V.3.0.1 submitted today, flop hit stats and some small UI improvements, should go live in about 10 days.

Oh yeah a heads up - when V.3.0.1 goes live the price will go up! (for new buyers only) This app has been $4.99 since launch, and has gotten much better and more powerful in the last year (thanks to e.g. this forum's suggestions).

After the next update the app will be like having PokerStove (+ other things like range heat maps) and a mini-FlopZilla on your iPhone/touch. Ok, runs slower, and I think FlopZilla is really nice and has some other goodies like weights on ranges, additional stats, different hand orderings, etc., but on the other hand e.g. PokerCruncher can handle multiple villains, anyway..

Just a heads up in case anyone wants to get it before V.3.0.1 and save some bucks : ).
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01-22-2010 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rj999
Great, thanks for getting the app guys and for clearing this up.

Accidently setting DealTo=xxx has tripped up others before. I think one reason is that PokerStove doesn't have DealTo=xxx and flop texture analysis so people don't understand it and its effect when they see it in PokerCruncher the first time.

Or maybe people aren't noticing the DealTo vertical line marker on the screen. To make the marker clearer I have colored it light-blue instead of gray, see pic below. This will be in the next update V.3.0.1 which should go live in 2..3 weeks (on track to submit by end of week).
Better yet, cross hatch / fade the cards behind the vertical line, or perhaps put red Xs over the cards not dealt. Another suggestion: make the "deal to" an advance option that must be enabled from a menu before it is available. I've accidentally turned on "deal to" by accident and not realized it until I see weird equities.

I can easily see a n00b turning on "deal to" by accident and not realizing it. When you are dealing with new software for the first time it can be overwhelming and easy to miss things like "deal to" even if the non-dealt cards are X-ed out.

Another suggestion: Can you offer both free and "for pay" upgrades? I'd be happy to pay 0.99 for upgrades now and then as an easy way to donate.

I think I have seen some iPhone apps that have a free and non-free version that are identical. If you can do the same with upgrades, making it clear that there is a "free upgrade" option, then those of us who would like to express our ongoing appreciation monetarily have an easy way to do so.
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01-22-2010 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rj999
But I think "port to Android" glosses over the details; the question is which Android phone? iPhone being a closed platform has advantages - can design/write/build an app for one fixed platform and screen size and hardware and target tens of millions of devices in one blow. Android being open, have to deal with many different phones with different screen sizes and possible customizations to Android, or changes at the device layer level, etc. This will require separate coding and testing (but I don't know anything about coding for Android).
This is a big thing that a lot of Droid supporters don't realize: it is not just the device in your pocket -- it is the entire ecology you are buying. Apple has done a great job creating an ecology that works well for both the consumer and the developer.
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01-22-2010 , 01:19 PM
I'm sure this has been asked here before; but is there a Blackberry version of this app?
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01-22-2010 , 02:47 PM
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I'm sure this has been asked here before; but is there a Blackberry version of this app?
No, all 4 PokerCruncher apps are iPhone-only right now. The other mobile platforms imo don't have the bang for the buck that iPhone has in terms of addressable devices and growth, at least right now.

But by mid-year my goal is to port to at least one other platform (pc, mac, Android, BB, etc).
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01-22-2010 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by funkyj
Better yet, cross hatch / fade the cards behind the vertical line, or perhaps put red Xs over the cards not dealt. Another suggestion: make the "deal to" an advance option that must be enabled from a menu before it is available. I've accidentally turned on "deal to" by accident and not realized it until I see weird equities.

I can easily see a n00b turning on "deal to" by accident and not realizing it. When you are dealing with new software for the first time it can be overwhelming and easy to miss things like "deal to" even if the non-dealt cards are X-ed out.

Another suggestion: Can you offer both free and "for pay" upgrades? I'd be happy to pay 0.99 for upgrades now and then as an easy way to donate.

I think I have seen some iPhone apps that have a free and non-free version that are identical. If you can do the same with upgrades, making it clear that there is a "free upgrade" option, then those of us who would like to express our ongoing appreciation monetarily have an easy way to do so.
Great suggestions, as always, e.g. the red X. Also how about this - the first time you tap DealTo for any reason an alert comes up saying "note: this is an advanced feature that does ...". This will only come up the first time after installing. This in combination with a red X over the non-dealt cards would do it I think. I'm going to resubmit V.3.0.1 this weekend with this addition, maybe just the first time alert for now because I don't want to delay the flop hit stats feature too much.

Re. free and pay upgrades, thanks for the thought, very considerate from customer's viewpoint, much appreciated. The in-app-purchase mechanism would support this, but I've been hesitant to use this because I don't want people to feel that they'll get nickel and dimed even after the purchase. As you say I can keep all updates free (and I will), and just add a 99c "donate to the cause" in-app-purchase if you feel like donating, like how some shareware programs do it.

I'm in no hurry to do this; I may never do it. Increasing the purchase price as the app goes from 2.0 -> 3.0 -> ... might be enough. I think you guys that bought the app in the first year should get a lower price anyway because you have helped improve the app. So everything's good. Thx.
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01-23-2010 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rj999
Great suggestions, as always, e.g. the red X. Also how about this - the first time you tap DealTo for any reason an alert comes up saying "note: this is an advanced feature that does ...". This will only come up the first time after installing. This in combination with a red X over the non-dealt cards would do it I think. I'm going to resubmit V.3.0.1 this weekend with this addition, maybe just the first time alert for now because I don't want to delay the flop hit stats feature too much.
Good idea on the one time popup. :
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01-29-2010 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dfan
Obviously this is a matter of preference for users. I guess you could poll users here if you wanted. Personally I would prefer a "Clear Range" btn on the HandRange screen without the verify process. If there is room to put it up top, accidental clicks would be rare I think. But this issue is obv minor.

Another issue isn't so minor though. Could you change the way you calculate your flop texture made hand stats to correspond to the way flopzilla and other flop analysis sw does? Your current approach of counting board pairs when calc prob of hitting a pair or two pair is quite misleading. For example, your stats for hitting two pair with 75o is ~ 4.0%. But obv we really want to know prob of 2 pair using both hc's (2.02%) giving us a very strong hand and not merge that with hitting 1 card on a paired board which is a very weak hand. Similarly misleading to have unpaired cards hitting a pair on the flop 40% of the time (I wish!). A flop of KQQ isn't really that hot of a flop for 75o.

Same for straights and fh's on the board - technically they should be removed from flop hits, but these happen so rarely its almost irrelevant. And when calc to turn if you miss the board completely but there are 4 of a suit or 4 to a straight on board this shouldn't be calc as a flush/straight draw.

Flopzilla has the best flop analysis layout I've seen as well as a fairly user-friendly interface. I imagine you've checked it out already, but if not it really does have some of the nicest implementations I've seen for flop analyses.

Just want to say I'm impressed with your dedication to improving your software and the speed with which you incorporate your users suggestions. Good business model -wish more of the business world took this approach!
V.3.0.1 has gone live with the improved flop hit stats suggested by dfan. Pic of the 75o example is below. You can toggle between the flop hit stats and the default/weaker (but still, correct) "make hand" stats to compare (set DealTo=Flop and tap the "Stats" button to toggle).

Not all of the cases dfan mentioned needed to be addressed, e.g. the odds for flopping draws and combination draws stats are calc'd only for DealTo=Flop so can't have 4 to a straight or 4 to a flush on the board.

Given the discerning readers/users on this thread I won't be surprised if someone has more improvements e.g. in the meanings of some stats, do send, I want this app to keep getting better.

Some other things in this release that were suggested:
* One-time alert explaining DealTo the first time the button is tapped.
* Color the DealTo indicator blue and make it bold so it's easier to see/notice.
* Add "Export(Email)" buttons to the range heat map detailed stats and range text popups.
* Rename "Reset Hand Range" to "Clear Hand Range" (but left it in the menu).

Hope you enjoy.


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01-29-2010 , 09:37 PM
Waiting eagerly for it to be available on the Android "market"
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02-04-2010 , 04:53 PM
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Waiting eagerly for it to be available on the Android "market"
This is why I have an iPhone and a Windows PC. Having an Android is like owning a Mac. Mac niches aside, all commercial SW is developed for the hugely dominant MS Windows platform first and the Mac version comes much much later if at all.

iPhone is the MS windows of the phone app space.

Unlike Windows vs MacOS, Google may be willing to continue the phone platform fight.
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02-19-2010 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Trankuility
Another feature that would be nice is simply the ability to name the saved hand ranges.
Another good suggestion; the next update V.3.1.1 went live today and has this. Naming the saved hand ranges is optional; o.w. they're referred to as #1, #2, etc. as before.

Some other things in this update:

* Use "+" notation in a hand range's text, e.g. "JJ+" instead of "AA-JJ". (Didn't do this from the start because I thought not using + would make the syntax clearer to hand range beginners, but now it's time.)

* Menu commands improvements:
- Reorganize them into two groups, a "Reset" group and a "Menu" group.
- New Reset commands: "Reset Players", "Reset Board", "Reset Dead Cards".
- Move "Cancel" button to the bottom of the list in all menus, per standard UI convention.

* And some other smaller things that are in the release notes.

My goal for this app this year - of course keep implementing good suggestions that come in, but also I want to port/redesign this app for at least one important other platform. Am trying to see where the most bang for the buck is. Won't make any promises and it may not happen but I'm finally seriously looking at this.

Thanks for all your suggestions and discussions.
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02-23-2010 , 10:36 AM
If there is any possibility of you adding this to the droid market add me as interested.
Edit: just read above regarding this and I hope to see it happen
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02-23-2010 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rj999
Am trying to see where the most bang for the buck is. Won't make any promises and it may not happen but I'm finally seriously looking at this.
You should have a poll to decide this. Instead of a regular poll, you can set up a few tip jars and which ever one has the most money at the end of the poll -- that one gets the port
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02-23-2010 , 08:27 PM
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If there is any possibility of you adding this to the droid market add me as interested.
Edit: just read above regarding this and I hope to see it happen
The top two candidates are PC and Android. Don't want to say which is #1 yet. Have bandwidth to start one but the other may have to wait.

Re. the tip jar : ) would be fun. Wouldn't want a big tipper to get me to code for (gasp) WinMobile though (just kidding, can never happen).

Thanks for the interest guys, I promise I'll play a few less hands and code more on one of these rewrites.
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