awesome dumb question from me.

pokercruncher works great on normal PC ( i have an iphone but not a mac desktop only a "regular" one with window )?

There's no PC (Windows) version of PokerCruncher (dare I say 'yet'). There are iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Android versions.

Windows version is a maybe because there are free hand range calculators out there. I'd have to hope that a decent %age of those users will pay $ for something more powerful than e.g. PokerStove; I'll weigh the risk.

Is PokerCruncher app compatible with iPhone and iPad? I mean can I use it on both with single purchase?

Thanks!

There are separate versions for iPhone and iPad so it would be two purchases (same for the Mac and Android versions of course).

RJ--

You really should be able to save scenario hands you have input. I just downloaded app, and it is very nice, but I use it for live hands. Like most would with an ipad.

so, to save hands for later review what to do?

needs save feature, and I would have default names by date and time. That way its a quick click to save, before dealer yells at me to act !!

Plus, your app makes me write the hand anyway for later, so when I get home, I can just use whatever program i have... as opposed to needing yours.

which

which,

Thanks for buying the app. The Mac version has SaveScenario/LoadScenario (to/from *.pcr files). The iPhone/iPad versions don't have this feature fully, but do have the ability to export/import a scenario's text. So you can do Menu-->ViewScenarioText&Export-->Export(Email). Then later to import a scenario, first copy an exported scenario's text from the email and then do Menu-->ImportScenario in the app.

Maybe I should add full-fledged SaveScenario/LoadScenario to the iPhone/iPad versions someday (say 100 slots), but I thought this feature makes more sense in the more workhorse Mac (desktop) version rather than in the mobile versions. I will re-consider but since export/import scenario is already there, I won't guarantee it. : )

So you don't need to write down hands manually. In fact on many TwoPlusTwo threads people have posted scenario text they exported out of PokerCruncher.

Hope you continue to like the app; do send questions/suggestions if more come up.
Thanks, -RJ

One more thing - if you just want to save scenarios locally on your device, then export the scenario's text to email, but no need to send the email (to yourself). Instead copy all of the scenario's text (in the email), then switch to e.g. the Notes app, and paste the text into a note, for copying/importing later. This gives even more flexibility than the 100 saved-scenarios slots plan because there's no limit, and you can name/date and organize the notes any way you want.

Now I'm remembering why I didn't add full-fledged save/load scenario to the iPhone/iPad versions. In the Mac version you can save scenarios to arbitrary *.pcr files on your filesystem, organized in any folder structure you want. We don't have such full control over the iPhone's/iPad's filesystem, so I thought just export/import would be better.

well, email is okay I guess. I was confused by when it said 'text' thinking it would just spit something out I could not convert.

But, really? Would prefer to save the hands inside the Ipad. I mean an Ipad is portable, its in a live setting, and I might want to show somebody else the hand right?

And as a bonus feature, my showing others on YOUR app, may get greater awareness of your app, and thus greater sales.

My showing a text upload on an internet forum does not really add a 'wow' factor to your app at all.

If you are adding features, in the future I would also like to see stack sizes of opponents, with side pots feature (% win for each side pot)

THIS would also be very cool.

My thougts are, each limitation (unable to save hands on the device itself, no stack sizes, no pre determined range percentage, etc) just adds some niggling discontent to the customer. The Ipad has plenty of memory right? why not use it for some features?

just my .02, and I do like the app. It could just be superb, and it's not there yet. So a little frustration showing on my part.

which

Our msgs criss-crossed in the air, did you see my post #382 above about using the Notes app to save scenarios locally?

>>> no pre determined range percentage

Can you pls. explain further? The app does have a range slider that shows %age.

I am not very literate on a computer, let alone an Ipad, but it sounds like you are asking me to

1. Input hand scenario
2. send file to myself via email
3. open note pad
4. copy email text into notepad
5. save notepad
6. copy notepad/or import from notepad into Ipad

As opposed to your writing some code that would save your entire user base approximately how much time?

Really?

which

PS I like the app, but you want folks to 'love it" right, and so give it 5 out of 5 stars? Give them the features that should be intuitive

You have a portable device that is most appropriate for sharing live, this concept is not that hard to understand right? And, truthfully, I cannot program so I don't really care how hard it is (as long as it is possible) to program this into the app, I just know I want it

This is what I was referring to also.

PokerStrategy.com has a really cool feature where the open raise segregated by position (different training sites' recommendations), raising one limper, 3betting by the opener's position, stuff like that.

This is a very useful and commonly accepted percentage base for us to work off of.

In addition, any custom ranges should be saved of course (*I mean, why bother going to the huge trouble of setting ranges, if we cannot save them?) and not saying Poker Cruncher does not, just it seems from the poster above, it does not. I just bought the app recently.

which

>>>Re. your 1-6 steps:

* First, if you write verbosely enough, anything can be made to look complicated.
* Step 1 is necessary for any save-scenario method; including this step makes the steps look longer.
* Step 2: No! You don't need to send the scenario text to yourself via email.
I had written in my post #382: "but no need to send the email (to yourself)".
* The rest of the steps are OK, but step 6 is import, so you have both export and import here, which makes it look longer than it is.

I can say it shorter:
* To save a scenario: Do Menu-->Export, tap Export button and copy the scenario's text, switch to Notes and save the text in a note.
* To load a scenario: Copy the scenario's text from a note (or email/etc.), switch to PokerCruncher and do Menu-->Import.

I agree with you that this isn't as fast/simple as a full-fledged save/load scenario feature (like the Mac version has). I said this from the start, and I also said that since the export/import workaround is there, I'm in no hurry to add the full-fledged method. I'm not saying I'll never add it; I'm just saying I don't think this is a showstopper.

>>> PS I like the app, but you want folks to 'love it" right
Yes, mostly. A lot of people love this app - see the comments in this long thread, and reviews in the app store. But do I expect *everyone* to love this app? No!
There will always be people that don't like it for some reason - say the app has 99 great features but is missing the 1 feature that someone really wants, or maybe someone doesn't fully understand the features and how to use them so doesn't see the full value of the app, etc.

>>> I would also like to see stack sizes of opponents, with side pots feature (% win for each side pot)

I think this is a good suggestion, but is out of the scope of this app so I won't be adding it. This is an equity/odds calculator; it's not a decision analyzer that requires stack sizes, chips put into the pot on each street, position, etc. Just about all equity/odds calculators I know e.g. PokerStove, the CardPlayer calculator, do not take stack sizes as input. I'd like to keep PokerCruncher also on this equity/odds level.

Note: I have another app in the App Store called "ICM Cruncher", which does take stack sizes, chips put into the pot, etc. as input. This is also a push/call/fold decision analyzer, so is a higher-level app than PokerCruncher. In fact ICM Cruncher takes a player's equity as input, so PokerCruncher is the lower-level app even though it's a more complex app. Maybe I'll write a similar app to ICM Cruncher for cash games someday; that will be the right app to put stack sizes into.

You haven't looked at the app closely enough yet; it can save/load hand ranges for years (in a full-fledged built-in way, no copy/paste text shortcuts), try it out!

So you can create your own library of saved hand ranges, to parallel e.g. PokerStrategy.com's.

Here's my reply to Xela in the very next post after Xela's:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xela
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Or as an even better alternative let users save their custom ranges that they can use over and over again.
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Thanks, good to hear you like the app. The app can already save/load custom hand ranges. In the hand range editor screen do Menu --> SaveHandRangeAs..., and there's a LoadHandRange... command here. You can save up to 100 hand ranges and can name them e.g. "Top 10%". This save/load feature is in all versions of the app, iPhone, iPad, and Mac.

RJ--

It is your program, so do with it, and how much to is as you wish.

I am a customer, and am telling you that your asking us to exit your app to save hands, then have to go back and select/copy from outside your app to retrieve a hand is a high hurdle.

I took the trouble to find out how to do this (nowhere on your site do you explain the import/export feature as far as I can see, but to be fair, maybe I missed this) and it took a while. I cannot see myself doing this with friends in real time. Can you?

I will tell you again, and I am decent at marketing (trust me )

Having someone see your app pull up a hand, WITHOUT leaving the app will be a very cool thing, it will GRAB THEIR ATTENTION.

You sound like some MS DOS guy who keeps saying, my program does that... just type e: // format G etc etc etc

Meanwhile GUI's took over the world.

Hope this was not too verbose for you.

which

No this one was not too verbose.

Feature suggestion noted (built-in save/load scenarios), but won't promise.

Meanwhile I hope you decide to look at and use the other 99 features.

Update - "which" and I had some productive discussion offline today, a lot more productive than e.g. the above : ).

Summary - I'll be adding a new feature: save/load a dozen scenarios (in a built-in way, not using export text and the Notes app).

Only a dozen scenarios, not an infinite number, because this app is an equity calculator, not a hand history program. And a full hand history program would have a lot more stuff to deal with like data backup/restore, stack sizes, blinds, betting rounds, position, etc.

This update will be in the iPhone and iPad versions. No need in the Mac version because it already has full-fledged scenario save/load. Should go live in a few weeks. Thanks for the suggestion which; now I need to get to work on it.

Here's my beef. Bought the app for my ipad - loved it. Went to install it on my iphone and then advised I'd have to pay again! WTF? Stop the rip off dude. Most app developers these days allow you to deploy to both your phone and ipad if you have one - SCAM!

I try to see the positives in any situation, so first:

>>> Bought the app for my ipad - loved it.

Thanks for loving the app!, good to hear.

Re. separate iPhone and iPad versions:

1) There's precedence both ways. Many big app developers have separate versions of apps e.g. Angry Birds, Electronic Arts, PopCap. Are all of these also "scams" and "rip offs" as in your terms? (that would be a big %age of the iPad app store in general)

2) Historical reason: If I were writing a brand new iOS app right now, I'd consider making it universal. But the iPhone version of PokerCruncher was released in '08, and the iPad version two years later. I decided at the time that it would be too de-stabilizing to make the iPhone version universal, and I didn't want to disturb/break the iPhone version in any way so as to not disappoint the many existing iPhone version users.

3) PokerCruncher's iPhone and iPad versions aren't basically 99% identical. The iPad version has different integration/interactions between the views, to make entering stuff faster and more convenient (and some extra little things like the histogram bars in the Stats view). Clearly with some work a universal version could be made, but my point is that it's not as trivial like e.g. a chess game where the board and everything is just blown up in size with higher res images.

4) Many people have bought both versions (I hope happily), so I certainly don't want to make the app universal now because that would be unfair to those that have paid for both versions. In other words, the die is cast.

5) I realize that you guys need to pay 5 extra bucks for the iPhone version, but it's a 2-way street the way I look at it. Developers want/need to make some money too right, in order to be able to keep producing great software? Or should all software just be free or 99c? I can tell you that I've given up a lot more than 5 bucks (* many copies) in order to take time away from a real job in order to make this app over the last few years. It's been great fun, I'd do it again for sure.

A side note: imho using terms like your "WTF" are uncalled for (I think even alluding to 4 letter words adds a different kind of tone to a discussion). Can we pls. discuss in a civil manner?

Lastly, dude, if you're not happy with this app in any way, please buy/download some other app.

Well I have used your app now for 1-2 months, and I really really like it! I thought at first I would be saving a lot of hands for later, and I do use this feature a lot, but I think I may have to apologize to RJ and say "okay you were right, the other 99 features really are way better"

I still think being able to pull saved hands up directly has a great bonus since several of my friends were blown away by my showing them this app live at the table.

Hope RJ makes enough off this app to keep supporting it forever!

Thanks for the app. Very cool to use, and nice price!

Which

Hello Which,

Thanks for writing an update on your app impressions. Yes I forgot to mention on the thread that I implemented your good suggestion to be able to save/load entire scenarios, and it went live in the app about a month ago. Only a dozen saved scenarios, but should be enough for a given session, and you can export out. I'm sorry it took me a while (several back and forths between us) to see the added benefit, but clearly this feature has improved the app, thanks! (many good suggestions on this thread over the years)

Re. supporting it forever ... that's my goal, and I've kept it up since '08. But in the end it's a matter of economics too. Clearly products that don't make a sufficient amount of money or other benefit to a developer may lose developer support over time, and that's the logical thing to have happen, kind of a survival of the fittest. Things can turn on a dime but I'm keeping my fingers crossed I can keep going.
Thx, -RJ

Hi RJ,

I've been using PkrCruncher for 2months and it really boosts my game, really really useful!

Just one question on hit/make stats when dealt to flop:
I choose a single hand for PLAYER 1 vs a 25% hand range for PLAYER 2;
I flop three cards then I select "Dealt to Flop", calculate and select "STATS": for PLAYER 2 I can see a bunch of stats scrolling the little window (i.e. 3 pages with fourflush, openendst., dblgutstr, fourflush&..., pair&...).

Now, let's say I add a TURN card, select "Dealt to Turn" and calculate; when I choose "STATS" and PLAYER 2 I can see only the first page (highcard, onepair, twopair...) but not the other two as on FLOP; for instant, I'd like to see what % of OESD player 2 has after the TURN).

To recap, when DEALT ON TURN there's no HIT/MAKE button but only STATS.



thanks a lot!
Andy

Hello Andy,
Great that you find the app useful, good to hear, thanks.

Re. the page2 and page3 stats not being there for Deal-To-Turn, this is as designed, and even though they would give some more info. for Deal-To-Turn I don't want to add these stats for Deal-To-Turn for the following reasons:

1) They're expensive to compute (calc time wise), and on the turn there are 6 total cards (4 board cards + 2 player cards) so they're even more expensive to compute on the turn than on the flop (5 total cards).

2) These stats are odds for flopping draws (page2) and combination draws (page3). These additional stats are part of the flop texture analysis / Deal-To-Flop feature and I think are the most useful for flop analysis, not really for turn analysis. They would give some additional insight for Deal-To-Turn, but just saying that they're more useful for Deal-To-Flop.

Re. my 2) above, basically I think answering the question "how often does this range *flop* a flush draw or OESD?" is more useful than "how often does this range *turn* a flush draw or OESD?", because draws and combination draws are more useful / powerful / bet-able on the flop than on the turn.

So I do agree with you that having the page2 and page3 stats for Deal-To-Turn would give some more insight, but considering that it would slow down the calc noticeably, I wasn't sure it would be worth the bang for the buck so I decided to make these stats just for flop analysis.

It's a good suggestion, thanks for posting it, but I also want to keep the app somewhat minimal and focused as well.
Best,
-RJ

RJ. I'm a big fan of this app. Thank you. FWIW, having page 2&3 available for the deal to turn would IMO be a big positive.

And now for my big ask. As I work on my hand reading and related strategy skills -- I have a long way to go -- it would be great if I could select a sub-set of a starting range by hand type to make up a new range. For example, let's say I selected a pre-flop range using your range grid of 55+, AXs, and all Broadway hands. Then, I randomly issued a flop that is not connected, but has two diamonds. Let's say I only want to continue (for whatever reason) with top pair, an over-pair or a flush draw. It would be great if I could select "top pair," "over-pair," and "flush draw" from your hit hand chart and (1) see what percentage of the original range is made up of these "hits" and (2) eliminate from the starting range all non-hit hands. This type of feature would allow me to apply a lot more brain power to the analysis and a lot less on inputting range adjustments. Your range editor is OUTSTANDING, but it still is a lot of work to input complex ranges and the feature I'm suggesting would greatly simplify things.

Again, love the app!

Thanks for your good words on the app and for your good suggestion!

Re. your filter range by hand type suggestion, I like it, I'll put it on the list. I won't quite promise it though, but I'm leaning towards implementing it. It may not arrive too soon though; right now I'm working on an update to use the larger iPhone5 screen.

Re. the page 2&3 stats also computed for the turn, I'll also put this on the list but for reasons I gave earlier, it's not as easy to implement for the turn (as for the flop), and it will slow down the computation noticeably. It's still on the list though.

Thanks for using the app and for your ideas. -RJ