I'm running Pio on mac through Parallels and works fine. Maybe try using Parallels instead, I have no problems with any poker related stuff so far.

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I currently am running it on Virtualbox and also do not have any problems. But i think running it trough wine would give me better performance and more convenience, so if there is a chance I could find someone who got it to run that would be great.

Punter,

Can you explain the notation and differences in flop subsets in each directory? For example on 24 flops you have 72_THREE_EQ2_857 and 72_THREE_EQ2_174.

The file names don't mean anything. They were automatically generated while running the subset algorithm.
We recently run a comparison of subsets using many metrics and averaging them and we recommend using those:
http://pastebin.com/AtyU84qC

out of the ones shipped although all should be pretty decent (they were already selected out of thousands others).

Could I please have more information about the 184 Kuba flops as described in the blog Nov 5th 2015? (https://piosolver.com/blogs/news?page=3) How are the weights derived? And which of the other 1.571 flops is exactly represented by each of the 184 flops?

Hello,I have PIO pro,so I have access to 2 licenses right?If so,currently I only have 1,what do I need to do to get the other?Thanks

As those are still 3+ handed game it's not possible as of right now.
There are ways to try to approximate those though. For example for BTN vs SB you can try removing some dead money from bb's fold to simulate bb being in the pot. You can hope that such approximation is close to the real result.

The blog post contains as much information as we can give about it. The algorithm to find the best performing subset is based on random walk search but we won't provide implementation details (as they are not very interesting and particularly not interesting to general public).

There is no such concept as flops from the subset corresponding to one of the all flops. The idea is that you run calculations (either EV from aggregated report or preflop solutions) using the subset you get something close to what you would get running the calculation on all flops. That's it, there is no more depth to it. The process to find the best performing subsets sadly doesn't provide answers to the why question (as is often the case with clever algorithims of which equlibrium solving is another example).

You get one license which you can use on two computers. To activate it on a second computer either follow the installation process again or just copy your Pio folder to a new computer (to keep ranges and treebuilding configs) and insert the key when Pio asks for it.

Thank you for the clarification. I understand that you won't publish implementation details of the product. My idea was to study strategies for each of the 184 flops, using PioSolver. If then, in real play, I encounter a different flop, I would want to know to which of the 184 flops the best strategy would be similar. As I understand it now, each kuba flop represents a group of flops with similar equity and ev, but not based on ranks or suitedness. So even flops that look very similar could have completely different strategies. So the idea of simplification won't work out. I would have to study strategies for each of the 1.755 flops

Sadly our subsets are not fit for that purpose. Their sole purpose is to approximate equity, EV and preflop strategy (if run with the preflop solver).

This is not correct. Again, the goal is to have good approximation of EV/EQ/preflop strategies if run on a subset in comparison to running on all flops. That all there is to it. I know it's tempting to think that it means that every single flop from a subset represents a group of flops from all possible ones but this is just not the case.

It makes sense to make groups of flops and pick representatives of them for purposes of studying strategies. This is an interesting task more suited for poker coaches or experienced players. Our subsets are not created with that purpose in mind. This is by the way the main reason why they outperform subsets created in the past which were based on human reasoning (include enough suited/connected/broadway/A high flops etc.). Our method yields results so much better that even using way smaller subset from us will be better than using big subsets created by methods like the one outlined by Will Tipton (even in much improved version) but they are better at their task (which is approximating EQs and EVs) and that task only.

Hi there,

got a question concerning node locking. It's a bit of a question if I am doing the sims right and maybe going bit into strategy.

without node locking villain bets 109 combos otr. but i think he does not vbet top pairs wide enough so i removed some value combos and now he only bets 67 combos.
surprisingly our frequencies hardly change at all
would have thought that we have to call much wider
we only fold 2 combos less.

So here's what I did in the PioSolver:
Only used 1 sizing, removed the weaker top pair from the betting range and set it to 'fixed'. Do I then have to add them to the checking range? No, right?
Anyway, I locked the selected combos at the bottom of the screen and clicked 'Go' in the calculations tab.
Results of the better seem to be right...he now does not bet the weak top pairs.
But why should we fold only 2 combos less when he uses the same sizing and has much less value?

Thx a lot for your help.

So in general we need a config to comment on anything as description is always going to be vague. That being said:

You should see resulting locked strategy after you click ok in the browser (you also see it in node-locking window in left bottom corner on 13x13 area).

Again, I am in the dark until I see the whole config, here is how to share it:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2116 (see my quoted post)

In general I am in not better position to answer the why question than any other poker player and likely I am worse at it than both very good players/coaches or people who run Pio a lot. Still, feel free to share the config, maybe something stands out to me.

Preflop question.

In preflop tree building I have "OOP player money in pot" = 3, and "Extra dead money in pot" = 1.5. When I build tree and run the solver it looks like Pio says pot = 3 instead of 4.5. What am I doing wrong?





P.S. in case it's confusing, I am doing a tree 200bb deep BTN vs. MP where MP has raised to 3x and BTN can either raise to 9x or fold. Blinds count as dead money (the extra 1.5bb).

Hi Punter,

Got an example here. https://gyazo.com/4e1cc878ed35280b74e77520d218ab8e

Now Red I'm guessing is thin/marginal spots? Although the red shade runs from -ev to +1bb. +1bb or close to it seems not marginal at all but maybe I am looking at the data in a way that is flawed. Could you explain more about the color coding system and a good way for people trying to make sense of all the data to implement things into their game.

Also what settings are you using to have all of the EVs show up in the grid for raise and call as shown above in your images?

Pio doesn't work with fractions in pot size/bet sizes/blinds. The simplest work around is to use 5/10 or 50/100 blinds instead.


Well, AA have 189 chips EV so it makes sense that hands which win the least (around 0) are in red and AA are in green. The purpose of this view is to show which hands in range win the most and which win the least. I am not sure what else I can say about it, feel free to ask more questions

The 13x13 area needs to be big enough to accommodate min size font. You can streatch the whole window or move the vertical bar between 13x13 areas and the button to the right, like here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozjfnatwms (question 11)

I have not yet buy PIOsolver, but might soon, i'm a z100 grinder. Should I buy the basic or pro version? Also, can I import hands history from stars with that program? Thx! I try the free version but find it difficult to understand how it work. I'm at a point tho that if I want to get to z200 I have to learn some GTO. Is there a video that explain how it work? (video for total newb).

I am trying to understand the free version, I'm not even able (when I make a tree for the turn, which is the street that the free version cover?), when I click browser, to have the IP check vs bet range (they only get me the perspective from the OOP player, which is a trivial 100% check, which is obv...), but I want the IP play. I try in the main postflop tree window to remove the turn OOP bet sizes, but the program don't understand what i'm asking... which is easy (OOP check is entire range). The only thing I can find in the main window is *force OOP to check / IP bet*, but it's irrelevant because the free version only cover turn (I think?).

Edit: Seem like I can make flop tree with the free version, but even if I push the *force OOP to check / IP bet* button, it still only give me the OOP perspective in the Browser window.

If you just downloaded it from the link there are instructions in readme.txt file, if you "ordered it" by store we sent you an email.
Anyway, the quick start video is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnzFpjSr3Lk

This is definitely the one to start. After that there are FAQs/instructions videos listed here:
https://piosolver.myshopify.com/pages/faq-videos

as well as new feature descriptions on the development blog, here:
https://piosolver.myshopify.com/blogs/news

Free version can solve one flop as well, it's Qs Jh 2h flop.

I am not exactly sure what the problem is. I recommend watching the quick start video as it's likely to clear up things a bit, especially when it comes to browsing the results as well as building the tree. Once you do that feel free to ask more questions

The default settings don't refresh the view as you are browsing the tree (using the view at the top). Look at those checkboxes: https://gyazo.com/3353e9f00356e1cb7fee17daa276390f

The ones you want for most cases are:
-refresh on new selection (auto refreshes results when you browse the tree)
-square size proportional to weight (hands which are rarely in range will be represented by smaller squares)
-bards width proportional to weight (combos from the same category which are more often in range will influence how the square in 13x13 looks, for example if 6s5s calls 100% but 6h5h, 6d5d, 6c5c call 0% but you have 6s5s with weight 1 but others with weight 0.01 then the square will be almost 100% call)

Again I hope that the quick start video clears up most of those things

Thx you, most of my question were cleared with ur first video link.

I have one more question: The Starting pot and EffectiveStacks don't accept .5 or ,5 number, which is very important went the SB is always .5bb, is there a way around it? Thx! Like If I want the starting pot to be 5.5 and effectivestacks 97.5, it send a error msg.

Also, the difference between basic and pro version is that the pro version is scriptable, what does this mean? Also 2 activation vs 1 (it mean I can use it on 2 computer vs 1?). Does it have to be two of my computer or it can be mine and a friend? And if I buy the basic version and have to buy a new laptop for some reason, can I switch my activation to the new laptop? Thx!

Yes, use 5/10 or 50/100 blinds. The amount are in chips (not in bb) so it's not a problem.
The reason for this design is that many features are based on lines having unique identifiers (so one can calculate for the whole line, switch between turn/river cards staying in the same line etc.) and for that whole number arithmetic is needed.

The main usecase for scripting it to automate solving for when you are not in front of your computer (for example you can solve 100 different flops overnight and wake up to saved solutions).

The licenses are personal from our point of view. If you choose to activate it on friend's computer you need to handle everything yourself, your friend isn't our customer (so can't request license related support) and you can cut them off at all times. As long we don't have any overhead related to that (for example friend complaining to us about something you promised them, requesting support etc. etc.) it's ok to do that. It only makes sense to share licenses with roommates/very close friends as otherwise the other person has 0 recourse if the owner of the license choose to cut them off.

Yes, Pio licenses don't disappear. You can either reset it yourself and move it or email us with your activation key and approximate date of the activation and we will reset it for you. If you buy Pio license it means you have the right to use the software on n computers, whatever happens you can always recover it (unless you are abusing the license of course).

Thx you! I will probably have more question as I will probably buy the basic version today and try it out

*Thank you for purchasing PioSOLVER! You will receive a PioSOVLER files and instructions soon. All orders are processed manually so it may take up to 24hours (PioSOLVER is based in Europe so please be patient if the order was issued during European night).*

CET time? I guess in couple of hours I should have it.

You should already have it. The delays will be bigger than usual in coming 3-4 days btw so I appreciate everybody's patience.

I'm already extremely confused.

The first thing I try was pair board (easy right?). I put a flop of 2h2s4d, vilain btn has a 45% opening range, and bb defend of 40% (which is high for z100, most people defend less, but it's a start). I remove about 10% for 3b (at different weight) so from 50% to 40% defence.

I put 3 flop bet sizes IP: 33, 50 and 66%.
I put a rake of 5% of the pot (up to 25 chips), using 975 effectivestacks and 55 starting pot (2.5x pre, sb fold, bb call). This is the z100 rake.

The problem is went I browse the tree. PioViewer don't like the 1/3 size cbet, which is very hard to believe on a dry 224r flop. He like a combination of 2/3 of the pot cbet (about 40% of the time), 1/2 pot cbet (20% of the time), and 40% of the time check-back, with less then 1% 1/3 of the pot cbet (some K high backdoor fd).

Where my confusion lie is: Most good player I know have a 1/3 of the pot cbet strategy IP on dry board (especially on pair dry board). I pick the dryest flop possible just to test, 224r, I mean, doesn't get more dry then that vs bb calling range.

What I expect was a 80-90% cbet and 10-20% check, with a 1/3 sizing been the dominant sizing, what I got is a 60% cbet 40% check strategy, without any consideration for a 1/3 cbet sizing.

Am i missing something? I kind of understand that the program want me to check most of my K high, Q high, and decent/good kicker J and T high (except A high), and to cbet 9 high or less (weaker sd value), A high, and made hand.

I will give a exemple:

4d2s2h, the program want me to cbet 2/3 with 98s (except 98cc, no backdoor).
He want me to cbet 1/2 with a lot of my A high, like A5s or A8o.
He doesn't want me to cbet 1/3, except KQs-KJs (except club)

And then, he want me to check hands like KTo, Q9o, JTo, J9s, T9s, Q7s, Q3s, etc, just to name a few. I always thought that the correct strategy was to cbet entire range, or close too, because ull get enough fold to justify that (I guess I was wrong). Hands like KTo have much better sd value then let's say T9o, but they both check.

So yeah just need a bit of explanation about the 40% check on this dry flop, and about the absence of a 1/3 cbetting range, I am really confused.

Picture here of the checking range:

p.s: On picture it show sizing of 14 (25%), I wanted to see if there was a difference between 33 and 25%, but it's 1% each.

http://imgur.com/a/Hnp7j