Yeah, that's what I did. I locked the whole strategy for the UTG raiser vs an IP caller, based on what I would do as the raiser. On the A82r flop that means checking AA 100%, betting AK and AQ 100% and checking AJ, AT, AX 100%. Etc.

The EV for the UTG player dropped from 39.7 to 36.9, which is pretty massive.

Hey,

I'm not a tech person, so it may be a bit silly question, but how to explain to tech person how much PC power solver needs? I want to build PC for PiOsolver, what are important things I need to address? Can you give me some estimations, how much what PiO takes, some examples?

Hello,

I am Fixed Limit Holdem player and want to try free PioSolver version before purchasing pro version. I installed it on Windows 10 running in Paralles 12 for Mac. When I try to build a tree for any simple situation on QsJh2h flop in Limit holdem tab and press "Build tree" the program frezees and the tree never builds. Everitning works fine when I build a tree in No Limit tab. I can browse the solution and everithing. Maybe I put wrong parameters for Limit or it is just not working for Limit Holdem in free version but how can I try it then? Please see the screenshot for details.

Cap is the number of bets, not amount in chips. Use cap 4 on all streets instead of 200 and 400 and it'll be fine.

Yes, this is way more than I expected. Are you sure you locked only that one combo?

Set your 2p2 preferences to display 100 posts per page and ctrl+f for hardware/CPU, I've commented quite a bit about it.
It's not easy to give recommendations because various people have various preferences, needs and budget. Very short recommendation is: if you are building a desktop go for modern intel CPU (5820k, 4790k are good choices, the new gen is good as well although it's more expensive) and 16GB of RAM if you plan to solve postflop trees (for preflop you would want 64GB but that's quite expensive).

The faster the CPU (number of cores * frequency as long as it's Intel) the faster it will b. The more the RAM the bigger trees you will be able to solve. Feel free to ask specific questions if still have doubts.

Thanks a lot juggler!

I locked the whole OOP flop bet/check range (his first action point).

Quick question (I should probably just find some FAQs ). When I set the raise size to 2.5x I get some weird numbers.

Pot 16, stacks 92. OOP bets 4, IP raises 10 (so far so good), OOP raises 19 (huh?). What could be going on here?

IP raised 6 relative to the bet (10-4), so 4+6*2.5=19

Thanks!

hi punter,
up until now ive only played husngs (so no rake when solving) and i want to switch to hunl and start with 50nl where the rake is 5% of the pot with a $0.75 cap.

1) should i use the rake when solving?
2) if yes, in an 5/10 config (1000nl) is correct to translate the above rake to 5% with 15 chips cap?

It's a hard question.
Introducing rake manes the game is no longer zero-sum so it might happen that there are more than one equilibirum. The hope is that rake effect is small enough that it's not a big problem and all sensible equilibria have similar EV. You can do several things:

-solve with rake
-solve withour rake and set rake after solving
-solve without rake and think how to adjust to rake (probably stop playing borderline hands)

I really don't know what is the most practical thing but it seems people mainly prefer the first option. Notice that if you want to solve a lot trees you will need to solve them again if you move to games with different rake structure in the future. My intuition tells me the last option is the most practical for that reason.

Yes, that's the correct way and it's good idea to do that to have more granulity in bet sizes (the solver doesn't do fractions in bet sizes).
Remember that if you are getting rakeback, you need to adjust those numbers to include it.

After finishing a simulation and saving it to very small format immediately after, is the full game tree still intact in memory so that I can run rounding on it? (The program lets me, I just wonder if the save to very small format changes anything in the tree (still held in memory) that could mess up the output from further work on it.)

It doesn't change anything. You can make micro/small/full saves, change tree (for example round some strategies) and then save again.
It used to be the case that it was "forgetting" the tree before making a small save but that was corrected I think in 1.8 version.

I have downloaded the free turn and river version and I am very impressed so far.

I am, however, confused by the output on the 13x 13 grid

I inputted 2 ranges that I though were reasonable to get past the flop with after the IP player makes a bet. I have a board of Ks9d6d2c. The pot at this stage is 115 and the proposed bet is 86.

AsJs and AdJd both has PIO betting almost 100% (99.8% for AsJs and 99.5% for AdJd). When I hover over the AJs box, I can see in the bottom RH corner the 2 hands that are still left in the range (The other 2 AJs have no bet/check data as expected as they are not present in the turn range that bet the flop.

AsJs has 18.332 and 17.553 as the EVs for bet and check so I presume, just based on the fact that the EV is greater for betting, it bets 100%

AdJd has 56.691 and 56.458 so here the EV advantage for betting is much smaller yet PIO still makes it 100% for a bet. I have seen in other situations where (IIRC) the EV is similarly close yet PIO opts for a "mixed" strategy of sometimes checking and sometimes betting. If you have time to explain how that works I would be grateful but, at present, that is not my main concern.

In the 13x 13 grid it shows the AJs square as 50% filled in (as only 2 of the 4 combos are left) and it shows that filled in box as totally pink indicating 100% bet. So far , so good. However, it has 37.084 for a bet and 46.255 as a check. (which on that simple cursory glance would have us checking)

I could not see how this could be; these are not pure averages nor can they be based on the frequency of whether we bet/check as we seem to bet 100%.

Playing around with configuration, I found that if I checked the box "use non-weighted average" I got the result I expected of 37.511 and 37.006 which are the averages of the 2 combos. What does the "weighted" version use to calculate those numbers I gave?

Thank you

Trevor

It's really difficult to comment if I can't re-create a tree locally as I am not sure what numbers you are looking at.
The way to share a config is to fill the tree-building tab and then click "copy to clipboard" button. You can then paste that config to a service like pastebin and link here.
I can then copy it and paste to my Pio and solve it so I see the results you get.

As to your points about weighted averages, there are several ways to calculate them. By default it's weighted by real probabilities of given matchup happening which are different than how often you have those combos in range. For example your range could be AsJd:1 and AsJh:1 but if your opponent range is only JhJc you never really get AsJh even though it is in your range in theory. This card removal effect is included in weighting by default.

To comment on your other points I really need the config to re-create them.

Hello, I have a problem with running scripts.

I use pio solver pro and I run regurarly scripts. Today for some reason when I open a script it frozes into this point.
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Any ideas of what could be wrong ?

It's very difficult to guess without seeing the script. Please email it to support@piosolver.com and I am going to take a look.
Also update to 1.9.2 version, there are a lot of new features in 1.8 and 1.9 and a lot of fixes as well (maybe your issue is already fixed for example).

Hey there, I jus updated my PioSolver to the 1.9.2 version and i cant seem to find the node lock feature under tools anymore. ??

Any help much appreciated,


edit: nvm, found it under "tree" now

Yes, there was a layout change in the menu options.
You can also use a keyboard shortcut to bring up the node-locking form: ctrl + n

I was wondering about the node locking. I wanted to know the best way to adjust the hands on there. At the moment what i do is change the "proportional" to "fixed" and then i change the hands on the "raise" side for instance, and then i have to remember what % i change them too and then go to the "call" side and have to put in the corresponding %. Is there a better way to change things using the node locker?

Thanks

You don't need to remember because the resulting strategy is always displayed in the 13x13 grid in the node locking window.
If you would like a bit more calls you can just go to call part and increase weights there (when using proportional).

That being said, the interface for node locking is certainly lacking and will be one of the more important things to improve in the future.

hi punter,
I have a small save of a postflop tree (turns included). Now I want to solve it again in full to be able to nodelock. How do I solve it again without recreating it from scratch?

Hello ,
i'm trying to install Pio pro that i just bought but i get this error when trying to run the updater
it says that "updater stop working" and crushes every time. Do you have any ideas of the problem ?

Is it possible to get config from cfr file? For example when I want to create a very similar tree as given cfr but change sizings a little bit?

I think I've just responded to your email. The most likely reason is Net Framework not being up to date, you can get 4.5.2 version, here:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=42642

It isn't possible for good reasons but:

1)every time you save a .cfr file the .txt config file is created. If you then load .cfr file that config will be loaded as well

2)you can save your configs for the future and then recall them with one click of the mouse in tree building and calculation tab

The problems arise if you have lost .txt config files and didn't save them either. In such case sadly you need to recreate the config by hand.