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06-28-2016 , 12:57 PM
Thanks, I´ve sent out an email for piosolver@piosolver.com, is that fine?
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06-28-2016 , 01:01 PM
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Thanks, I´ve sent out an email for piosolver@piosolver.com, is that fine?
Yes although we haven't got it. Support@piosolver.com is another one but maybe your email program is malfunctioning or you have mistyped the address.
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06-28-2016 , 01:29 PM
Is there a way to quickly see the EV in bb/100 of a particular node in the game tree?

e.g. I am looking at the EV of my flop check/call range from the bb in single raised pots and would like to see that in terms of bb/100 averaged across all my hands that check/call.

Right now I open range explorer, check the equity of the x/c range and the equity realization and use those numbers plus my contribution to the pot + current pot size to calculate bb/100. Is there a quicker work around I am missing? Is there a way to read this directly from PIO.

Thanks for any help.
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06-28-2016 , 01:59 PM
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Is there a way to quickly see the EV in bb/100 of a particular node in the game tree?

e.g. I am looking at the EV of my flop check/call range from the bb in single raised pots and would like to see that in terms of bb/100 averaged across all my hands that check/call.
Sure, just click buttons below "EV", like here:

https://i.imgsafe.org/2b9ff58cd2.png

After that just convert EV in chips to bb (in the example in the screenshot blinds are 5/10 so the EV would be 1.65bb/hand = 165bb/100.

This is for the whole range (folds, calls and raises). If you want it after check-calling then just go one decision further ("call" in the top tree browser view) and ask for OOP's EV there, like here:

https://i.imgsafe.org/2baa243b9b.png

As a general rule: equity realization is only useful for one thing: knowing what equity realization is. You never need to use it for any calculations as the EQR itself is a result of dividing EV by EQ.
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06-28-2016 , 02:24 PM
Way faster and easier! I didn't realize I could toggle EV without selecting a turn card.

Thank you for the always quick and very helpful responses!
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06-29-2016 , 11:51 PM
In range explorer, do you think it might be useful to add new subcategory groups for flop for backdoors (Flush Draw, Straight Draw), Also for draw to hit overpair to current board.

Also, on river, subcategories of "nothing" that potentially bluff-shoves: blockers to flush, straight, sets.
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06-30-2016 , 04:25 AM
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In range explorer, do you think it might be useful to add new subcategory groups for flop for backdoors (Flush Draw, Straight Draw), Also for draw to hit overpair to current board.

Also, on river, subcategories of "nothing" that potentially bluff-shoves: blockers to flush, straight, sets.
Yes, this is a good suggestion but it's not going to happen for the next release.
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06-30-2016 , 10:53 AM
Hi, running Piosolver Pro my CPU(i7 5820K 32gb) is @57ºC but my cores are about nearly 100ºC(12 threads).

Is it dangerous?

Program Core Temp marks them with orange colour .

Which temperature should be the cores?

Thx!!!
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06-30-2016 , 11:28 AM
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Hi, running Piosolver Pro my CPU(i7 5820K 32gb) is @57ºC but my cores are about nearly 100ºC(12 threads).

Is it dangerous?

Program Core Temp marks them with orange colour .
The cores are part of the CPU so I am not sure what's your thermometer is showing.
If the cores are really that hot that's definitely a sign of malfunctioning cooling system. In a healthy one the temperatures would definitely not reach 80C too often.
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06-30-2016 , 11:40 AM
With 8 threads working, cores are @ 83ºC (CPU around 55ºC).
All temperatures, motherboard & CPU are below 40º while surfing internet. I think my workstation is ok.

That's why i would like to know the appropiate/max temperature.
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06-30-2016 , 12:05 PM
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With 8 threads working, cores are @ 83ºC (CPU around 55ºC).
All temperatures, motherboard & CPU are below 40º while surfing internet. I think my workstation is ok.

That's why i would like to know the appropiate/max temperature.
I've already answered: with a proper functioning cooling system it wouldn't go above 80C basically ever. To be honest I don't think it should go above 60C much if you have a half-decent fan. It's natural that with less threads there is less heat but the number is still relatively big in your case. You may try googling for Intel recommendations, I am pretty sure everything above 80C is not typical and 90C+ is not recommended for long usage. My computer never goes above 60C for reference even if I run it with max threads for 24 hours straight.

I am not a hardware expert though, it really is a question for some kind of hardware forum if you want detailed information and typical temperatures for your CPU.
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06-30-2016 , 12:40 PM
Thank you punter!!!!. It's rare, my cpu cooler is decent noctua NH-U12P SE2.. anyway i would buy noctua NH-D15. Thx again!!.
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06-30-2016 , 12:52 PM
I really think it's more likely something is not working (for example the heat sink is dirty which is bound to happen if you never cleaned). Any decent cooler should handle heat from 5820k just fine if everything else is clean/functioning.
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06-30-2016 , 09:47 PM
Hi, is there any chance to buy it via Skrill,Neteller or Stars?
If no chance at all, then just ignore the question
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07-03-2016 , 04:06 AM
Hi, what mean: Solver process died with error code 1?
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07-03-2016 , 04:25 AM
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Hi, what mean: Solver process died with error code 1?
Licensing problems. If you are the owner of the license please email us at support@piosolver.com describing when it happens.
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07-03-2016 , 03:26 PM
Isn't it possible to make a solver for plo which solves for turns and rivers?
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07-03-2016 , 07:34 PM
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Isn't it possible to make a solver for plo which solves for turns and rivers?
It is very possible.
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07-04-2016 , 06:33 AM
I would buy it instantly.
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07-04-2016 , 06:50 AM
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I would buy it instantly.
We are a small team and we have a lot of work with holdem solver, support, website, accounting, bugfixes etc. etc.
That's why things take longer time than you would expect.

Developing software is very slow and painful process and there is always more ideas than time to execute them. That's as much as I can say about it right now.
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07-07-2016 , 01:59 AM
I'm currently a basic user and I want to upgrade to pro for the preflop solver but am not sure if my processor/RAM are good enough. been clicking around for system requirements but can't find anything. please advise!

intel i7-4700mq (4 cores, 8 threads)
16GB
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07-07-2016 , 05:02 AM
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'm currently a basic user and I want to upgrade to pro for the preflop solver
The pro version doesn't have a preflop solver.

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intel i7-4700mq (4 cores, 8 threads)
16GB
At the very least you need 32GB of RAM for the preflop solver and that would be enough for only some toy cases. 64GB is already very decent for practical use but for big trees you need 128GB.

Look here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=958
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1233
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1248

for more hardware related answers. In short: laptop and preflop solver don't go together.
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07-07-2016 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
The pro version doesn't have a preflop solver.



At the very least you need 32GB of RAM for the preflop solver and that would be enough for only some toy cases. 64GB is already very decent for practical use but for big trees you need 128GB.

Look here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=958
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1233
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1248

for more hardware related answers. In short: laptop and preflop solver don't go together.
oops, I meant edge.

ok, thanks for the quick reply. might be time to build a desktop!
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07-07-2016 , 05:41 PM
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ok, thanks for the quick reply. might be time to build a desktop!
Make sure to research rental options first:

1)ctrl+f this thread for "dedicated server"
2)same in our Skype group
3)google dedicated servers with Windows

It might be more convenient option than building your own hardware.
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07-08-2016 , 04:14 AM
More hardware questions from emails:

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Does that mean that for example the Intel Xeon E5-2630L v4 overclocked would be about twice as fast as the i7 4790K and equally fast as a non-overclocked i7-6950X? Or are Xeons entirely different? I'm considering saving up for something beastly and getting an Edge license but only if it has significant performance gain for PIOsolving and especially if it doesn't have to be as expensive (like the overclocked Xeon seems to be).
First let me say that I am not sure how Broadwell compares to Haswell (previous generation) when it comes to the solver. Not many people have them and I am getting conflicting benchmarks (probably because of other factors on the computers it's run).
Assuming it's the same (it's probably a bit better in reality) E5-2630L Xeon is 10 core CPU at 1.8Ghz. That makes it 10*1.8 = 18.

4790k is a quadcore at 3.6Ghz which makes it 14.4
No-overclocked 5820k would be faster than both of them.

No you said "E5-2630" overclocked. I am not sure how much you can overclock it though. Those questions are best asked on some hardware forum.

As to 6950x, this is a 10 core machine at 3Ghz and it would be way faster than all other mentioned so far (10x3 = 30).

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Or are Xeons entirely different?
Xeons are like i7s with few "enterprise" features, ability to put 2 of them on one motherboard and significantly bigger price tag attached

Notice that 6950X won't be cheap either. In general those top ends CPUs always have very bad performance/price ratio.

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Basically, what could you recommend as best bang for buck in the €700 €1000 and €1500 region and roughly how many times faster would they be for PIOsolving compared to the i7 4790K?
If you search this thread (for example 2 posts above this one) you will see that my recommendation for a middle range desktop is 5820k. Hardware prices are also very local, depending on country/region you can get significantly different deals.
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