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06-08-2021 , 10:07 AM
Small feature request for the trainer. I'd like to be able to replay a board with a different hand a few times before moving on to the next one, so either a "Replay Board" button beside "Deal a New Hand" or maybe an option to play each board x times before changing the board?
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06-08-2021 , 03:23 PM
Greetings!

I just got Version 2.0 and tried to run a tree. When clicking on "select from" I choose three cards but the program doesn't let me proceed. Here is a screenshot.

https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEX4QT

Is there anything I am missing out?

Thanks!
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06-09-2021 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by stevepa
Small feature request for the trainer. I'd like to be able to replay a board with a different hand a few times before moving on to the next one, so either a "Replay Board" button beside "Deal a New Hand" or maybe an option to play each board x times before changing the board?
^^
This would be great

Also can we please have a RNG perhaps?


Another feature I enjoyed in other programs though idk if its too difficult to implement would be being able to re-solve turn/rivers with new bet sizing for example while playing the gto trainer - I.e your sim library has no donks but when playing you wait 1-2 seconds while it resolves with a new donk sizing added to prevent having to run a new full subset of boards just to test out some new sizings in play

Last edited by TreadLightly; 06-09-2021 at 05:13 AM.
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06-09-2021 , 01:51 PM
Hey guys.

I have some doubts about multisize SIMS.

Lets say i make a Multisize Sim SRP BTvsBB with 4 sizes. 33 50 75 and 130.
Anyone understard why always the EV of the multisize SIM is smaller than some one size SIMS? This doesn make sense to me because if, lets say, the 130 size is bigger than mutli, it should use only this size in the multi instead of giving me a mixed solution with less EV.

Sorry about my english in not very good.

Regards
Jorge
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06-09-2021 , 02:00 PM
When you are running a script, do you need enough RAM to store the game trees for every flop in the sim?


I ask because I was doing a large ~800 flop sim to begin building a database and then about 25% thru it stopped with an error that I do not have enough RAM to continue.

I have a $3k+ gaming rig with an i9 processer and 32GB of RAM. Is 64GB needed to solve this many hands or is there something that I need to add to the script to clear my RAM between hands that are solved? I have never had an issue solving a single hand, no matter how complicated I made the game tree.
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06-09-2021 , 02:01 PM
Hello
Why does this warning pop up sometimes,how to prevent it appear?
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06-10-2021 , 05:16 AM
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Hello
Why does this warning pop up sometimes,how to prevent it appear?
It's not possible to disable this warning when running PioUpdater.

When you run PioViewer the option to disable it shows at the startup of the program.
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06-11-2021 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by juggler97531
It's not possible to disable this warning when running PioUpdater.

When you run PioViewer the option to disable it shows at the startup of the program.
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06-11-2021 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
^^
This would be great

Also can we please have a RNG perhaps?


Another feature I enjoyed in other programs though idk if its too difficult to implement would be being able to re-solve turn/rivers with new bet sizing for example while playing the gto trainer - I.e your sim library has no donks but when playing you wait 1-2 seconds while it resolves with a new donk sizing added to prevent having to run a new full subset of boards just to test out some new sizings in play
Does using a sub-tree not fit the bill? Also changing turn/river trees like this impacts optimal strategy on earlier streets.

For example, without turn donks IP can guarantee seeing river for just the cost of a small cbet. This could significantly change the cbetting strategy for IP.
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06-12-2021 , 01:54 AM
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Yep, typo. Are there any computer or Pio settings I could be missing?
Maybe energy saving settings or some kind of 3rd party software slowing down the solver.
Other than that I have no idea what's wrong.

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I was looking at nodelocking and it seems that there isn't a filter for any types of backdoor draws. Any plans on adding these? Seems particularly useful
While there isn't a checkbox for those it's quite easy to choose those by using suit symbols next to 13x13 area in the range selector. For example if you need two hearts just mark both heart symbols and then all hands.

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Lets say i make a Multisize Sim SRP BTvsBB with 4 sizes. 33 50 75 and 130.
Anyone understard why always the EV of the multisize SIM is smaller than some one size SIMS? This doesn make sense to me because if, lets say, the 130 size is bigger than mutli, it should use only this size in the multi instead of giving me a mixed solution with less EV.

Sorry about my english in not very good.
You are most likely using rake/ICM.
Once the game is not 0-sum then multiple solutions exist. Comparing EVs in such games isn't reliable.

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When you are running a script, do you need enough RAM to store the game trees for every flop in the sim?
No, only for the biggest one.
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I ask because I was doing a large ~800 flop sim to begin building a database and then about 25% thru it stopped with an error that I do not have enough RAM to continue.
Was it with 1.0 or 2.0 version? There should be an option to ignore the memory check once the first tree is done. Please use that.
The reason it's useful is that sometimes Windows is very slow to see freed memory and reports there is less available than there really is.
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06-14-2021 , 07:24 PM
PIOSolver Edge user here. I am interested in upgrading to 2.0. If I pay the $700, I can use Edge on 2 computers, correct? Also, I am thinking about buying a very powerful workstation, is PIO 2.0 more CPU speed/# core dependent or is it more RAM dependent?

P.S. I am correctly using 2 8 core Xeon processor, and 128 GB RAMs. The sims run way too slow for me.
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06-15-2021 , 04:45 AM
Hi
I run the same tree with same accuracy with pio 2.0,why the result of same line at river has significant difference?

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06-16-2021 , 09:51 AM
Installing Piosolver 2.0 for the first time and Avast Antivirus has given me a threat warning for' IDP generic' in Pioupdater.exe. False positive? Please advise.

I don't know why this image link isnt working.

Last edited by hagbard13; 06-16-2021 at 09:55 AM. Reason: Image not working
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06-18-2021 , 09:12 AM
Punter, a few odd requests and a feature suggestion:

1. Is it possible to compute the variance of chips won/lost in downstream nodes? The EV of a combo in any particular node is the weighted average (chips won/lost in each downstream node multiplied by frequency of visiting the node summed across all downstream nodes), correct? Would be interested to see the variance of those chips won/lost figures. Trying to so some demonstrations about the REAL sources of variance in the game--not the overt ones like winning flips or being "card dead" but also the more abstract sources of variance such as the fact that EVs being highly non-linearly distributed across a range, and most of the time you're not close to the top of your range and even highest-EV bluffs may only win low single digits potshare of EV (hell, I've seen lots of spots where a player's range only contains value, and all his potential bluffs are no better than breakeven-EV)

On that same note, is it possible to calculate a win% figure (# of downstream nodes with positive chips won divided by total # of downstream nodes)?

2. Feature suggestion: would be nice to have a tool that allows the solver to do a better job at quantitatively revealing blocker effects better. It's easy enough to flip back and forth between nodes in the viewer and say stuff like "oh yeah combo X is clearly blocking OOP's value and combo Y unblocks his folding range hence X and Y are good bluff candidates" but it would be nice to have a tool that makes it easier to put concrete numbers on it. Ideally we would be able to do something like enter the blocked cards and see how the overall, global frequencies of the other player change in response to those cards being blocked, in addition to how the concentrations of each combo in the other player's range change based on the blocker effects.

Also, I think adding in the actual EV as an optional display in range explorer would be really really helpful. I've used your tool for 1000s of hours and I haven't figured out a singe use for ev rescaled and ev/eq

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06-18-2021 , 09:24 AM
Few more issues and ?'s

3. I sometimes get a warning message about the solver running in admin mode and how this may cause issues in the future. I'm not sure what that means. I don't have a screenshot at the moment, sorry. I'll try to remember to capture one that next time it pops up.

The pop-up window asks me if I want to just ignore the warning, which I always do, and the solver seems to work just fine subsequent to that. But it is a bit of a concerning error--I'd be useless without your software!!


4. The solver really needs some way to explicitly display (preferably in the tree building tab) if a tree has rake or not. I run cash sims with and without rake and sometimes I've had to rerun (huge preflop trees) because I didn't realize the rake structure was still in place when I did not want it to be.

Also, I noticed that when I copy a preflop tree config for a raked tree, the rake config seems to also be copied over. Even when I try to remove it by doing something like entering "0% rake with 0 chip cap", the rake structure remains in place. The only way to get rid of it is to rebuild the entire config from scratch. I'm wondering where is the rake config information is stored? Is there any way to copy the config for a raked tree so that I can run the same exact config but without rake, and thus avoid needing to rebuild the entire tree?


5. Will Basic version open any .cfr file (preflop, postflop, raked, non-raked, etc)? Will the Basic version compute on-the-fly turns and rivers from any small-saved .cfr?


6. Would you be willing to offer a discount for someone (me) looking to purchase a 2nd set of licenses? I am already an Edge customer. I have one license for my PC and one for my server already but I want to buy a laptop to train on, mostly when I play live cash and have to wait 2-3+ hrs for a seat.

Completely understand if the answer is "no" and at the risk of losing all my bargaining power I will say that I'm gonna by the additional licenses anyway even without a discount
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06-18-2021 , 12:34 PM
I have piosolver basic 1 and just got a new computer. how can i transfer my registration to the new comp?
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06-21-2021 , 11:27 AM
Hello,

I have a problem starting PIO, it suddenly stopped working when I turn it on it looks like this:


I even tried reinstalling it, but it didn't help. Windows 7.
Need Help.
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06-22-2021 , 10:20 AM
Punter, sent you a DM with a stack trace from a crash I keep getting when I move a job up/down in the script execution queue.
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06-22-2021 , 06:41 PM
Hello,

Is it possible to run a script and have the files saved to a different drive to where PioSOLVER2 (pro version) is installed? I have it installed on my C drive and would like the files created to be saved straight to my D drive. Whatever I try at the moment it only saves to a subfolder of the PioSOLVER2 folder. My C is an SSD and has all programs installed on but not much space remaining, my D is not an SSD and used for storage.

Thanks,

Mat
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06-23-2021 , 05:47 AM
I am very sorry for delays when answering here.
Hopefully it's going to be faster from now on.

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PIOSolver Edge user here. I am interested in upgrading to 2.0. If I pay the $700, I can use Edge on 2 computers, correct? Also, I am thinking about buying a very powerful workstation, is PIO 2.0 more CPU speed/# core dependent or is it more RAM dependent?

P.S. I am correctly using 2 8 core Xeon processor, and 128 GB RAMs. The sims run way too slow for me.
Hard to say. RAM speed matters, CPU speed matters as well. Those things are hard to test.
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I run the same tree with same accuracy with pio 2.0,why the result of same line at river has significant difference?
Different algorithms, probably not perfect accuracy. Differences happen as there is more than one solution good for 0.25% (or w/e else) accuracy.
Tbh, the solutions in this specific spot look quite similar to me.

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Installing Piosolver 2.0 for the first time and Avast Antivirus has given me a threat warning for' IDP generic' in Pioupdater.exe. False positive? Please advise.
Yes - false positive.
There is little we can do about 3rd party antivirus vendors. We submitted our executable to Microsoft so Windows Defender doesn't block it. When it comes to other programs there is nothing we can do about them. My view is that 3rd party antiviruses are a form of malware and running them is just a bad idea for both security and convenience.

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Punter, a few odd requests and a feature suggestion:
I commented on those below.

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Punter, sent you a DM with a stack trace from a crash I keep getting when I move a job up/down in the script execution queue.
Please use support@piosolver.com for bug reports. This way it's easier for me to forward to Kuba (PioViewer dev) if needed.

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Is it possible to run a script and have the files saved to a different drive to where PioSOLVER2 (pro version) is installed? I have it installed on my C drive and would like the files created to be saved straight to my D drive. Whatever I try at the moment it only saves to a subfolder of the PioSOLVER2 folder. My C is an SSD and has all programs installed on but not much space remaining, my D is not an SSD and used for storage.
Just use a full path like:
D:\mypiosaves

When you use a path like:
mypiosaves

it becomes a local path (that is relative to solver's location). When you use a full form it will save there.

Last edited by punter11235; 06-23-2021 at 06:03 AM.
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06-23-2021 , 05:57 AM
Let me comment on the feature suggestions above:

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1. Is it possible to compute the variance of chips won/lost in downstream nodes?
I have it on my list since like 2014 (before the solver became a public project).
I never got around implementing it. I think it's time I do that!

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that same note, is it possible to calculate a win% figure (# of downstream nodes with positive chips won divided by total # of downstream nodes)?
I assume you just mean how often a given player wins from there.
I prefer if you don't use terminology like "nodes" that assumes something about how the tree is stored internally. The reason is that traditional way of thinking about poker trees prevalent in publications/literature is brain dead to put it mildly.
It's better to think the way poker players do: there are decision nodes (points) and there are many possible hands in those. This means that either player can win in most final nodes.

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2. Feature suggestion: would be nice to have a tool that allows the solver to do a better job at quantitatively revealing blocker effects better. It's easy enough to flip back and forth between nodes in the viewer and say stuff like "oh yeah combo X is clearly blocking OOP's value and combo Y unblocks his folding range hence X and Y are good bluff candidates" but it would be nice to have a tool that makes it easier to put concrete numbers on it. Ideally we would be able to do something like enter the blocked cards and see how the overall, global frequencies of the other player change in response to those cards being blocked, in addition to how the concentrations of each combo in the other player's range change based on the blocker effects.
We added a few things in the 2.0 version:

1)You can insert a specific hand in the hotness tool
2)You can insert a specific combo of the opponent and see how your frequencies change

There will be more tools to analyze blockers in the future as I think this is a pretty useful idea.

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Also, I think adding in the actual EV as an optional display in range explorer would be really really helpful. I've used your tool for 1000s of hours and I haven't figured out a singe use for ev rescaled and ev/eq
Yeah, I agree.
It was done to avoid the mismatch of units (equity and EV) but I think both should be either in % or in fraction of the pot and it should be configurable.
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06-23-2021 , 06:03 AM
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3. I sometimes get a warning message about the solver running in admin mode and how this may cause issues in the future. I'm not sure what that means. I don't have a screenshot at the moment, sorry. I'll try to remember to capture one that next time it pops up.

The pop-up window asks me if I want to just ignore the warning, which I always do, and the solver seems to work just fine subsequent to that. But it is a bit of a concerning error--I'd be useless without your software!!
Please sent an email to support@piosolver.com I will forward toKuba and you will get an explanation of why the warning is there.

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4. The solver really needs some way to explicitly display (preferably in the tree building tab) if a tree has rake or not. I run cash sims with and without rake and sometimes I've had to rerun (huge preflop trees) because I didn't realize the rake structure was still in place when I did not want it to be.
You should be able to uncheck "include rake" checkbox. It doesn't matter what structure is inserted if the checkbox is not checked.

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5. Will Basic version open any .cfr file (preflop, postflop, raked, non-raked, etc)? Will the Basic version compute on-the-fly turns and rivers from any small-saved .cfr?
Yes, it's able to do that for several years now.

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6. Would you be willing to offer a discount for someone (me) looking to purchase a 2nd set of licenses? I am already an Edge customer. I have one license for my PC and one for my server already but I want to buy a laptop to train on, mostly when I play live cash and have to wait 2-3+ hrs for a seat.
We sell additional activations for 249$/computer, here:
https://www.piosolver.com/products/a...nal-activation

If that's not good enough discount please send an email to support@piosolver.com referencing your post.
We will ask you to describe some of your suggestions in more detail (it's always about details when implementing stuff) and will likely be able to do something for you in the discount department.
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06-24-2021 , 07:53 AM
Hi,

In aggregate reports across files, I've seen someone click on the .xlsx to directly open the file. How is this done? apologies if it is obvious and I've missed it...
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06-24-2021 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepa
Small feature request for the trainer. I'd like to be able to replay a board with a different hand a few times before moving on to the next one, so either a "Replay Board" button beside "Deal a New Hand" or maybe an option to play each board x times before changing the board?
Bumping this feature request
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06-24-2021 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepa
Bumping this feature request

FYI they’ve got a really good system for feature suggestions and discussion about them in their discord server.
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