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Two quick announcements:

1)I shipped capped version (to 25 threads) by accident yesterday; if you use "force update" button in the updater now you will get the uncapped one (or download the link directly); it only affects big machines though.

2)The UPI documentation is not up because it's not final; a lot of things will be corrected/cleaned up; the solver updated and then documentation published

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12-15-2015 , 08:34 AM

#677

roachru

stranger

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6

Eventually got it, soz my english is retarted =D

So, I bought their pack and updated Pio from Pro to Edge, now I have 3 activations, right?

So, I updated and now there are 3 Solvers: PioSOLVER-preflop, and 2 another - PioSOLVER-edge16 and PioSolver-edge16haswell.

What's the difference between last two? Should I pick PioSOLVER-edge16haswell if I have Intel i5-4690?

What accuracy for preflop ranges I'll get if I try to solve like example SB vs BB 6max Cash by myself on 10 flops in PioSOLVER-preflop.

I mean, I have only 16 GB RAM, so for 100 BB stacks I can solve only small subset of flops. How much it changes Preflop ranges, that we get like a result if we use 10 flops instead of 75 or 185 (I used in Pio 1.6)?

Is there any sence to do it for 10 flops at all? Will be this results truthful for all flops? I mean, I'm not sure, that 10 flops are enough to get presentable results.

What's difference between two flop subsets in the same folder, like pferlop_subsets\184\72_THREE_EQ_2_529 and pferlop_subsets\184\72_THREE_EQ_2_1072 ?

Well, and after I updated to Edge, now script doens't run at all =D

http://prntscr.com/9effuq

In script window Pio said: "problems with your licence"

Last edited by roachru; 12-15-2015 at 08:55 AM.

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12-15-2015 , 09:20 AM

#678

Kalupso

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 337

I watched the quick start guide and was surprised by how capped the limping range was for the 100bb HU solution. What isolation size was used in this solution? If this is similar to postflop then having the possibility of large raises seems important for balance.

I noticed that the precomputed PioCloud packs requires Edge license. I would be interested in them if I could buy them without Edge license and just pay an extra fee. Is this something you are considering?

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12-15-2015 , 11:05 AM

#679

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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how capped the limping range was for the 100bb HU solution

I am not sure if it's surprising. Calling ranges are usually quite capped. All the strong hand go to 3bet for example when defending vs a raise and the strongest hands go to 4bet defending against a 3bet. It seems that's just nature of the game.

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What isolation size was used in this solution?

Raise to 4bb.

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I noticed that the precomputed PioCloud packs requires Edge license. I would be interested in them if I could buy them without Edge license and just pay an extra fee. Is this something you are considering?

Not right now.
The service is very cheap (it's cheaper than setting up and running stuff yourself using major cloud providers) and running it requires work. We are not making much from it as the person running it needs to make it worth his time. We are making money by selling preflop solvers. The cloud option is just added option and added value.

It may change in the future though.

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12-15-2015 , 01:31 PM

#680

sigis123

enthusiast

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 64

Hi I want to set up UTGvs3bet IP senario for pre flop solver, I know my UTG range I set it UP as OOP, I know IP 3bet range, I set it UP as IP, EFF stack is 100bb OOP money in pot is 30 = 3bb IP put money in pot is 90 = 3x raise dead money 15 BB+SB so now action on OOP i 4bet to 200 IP SHoves or Calls no problem here. Problem is with UTG calling a 3bet, becouse if I press ch/call from the Root I get Limp, how I make it Call?

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12-15-2015 , 03:15 PM

#681

Warder

adept

Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,115

Are there any plans to implement rounding prior to solving? I'm sure this feature has been requested before, but I'd imagine that there would be major differences between a solution that's rounded after solving (that's derived from a mixed strategy) and a solution run under the parameters of not allowing a mixed strategy to begin with.

Cliffs: Implementing mixed strategies is hard, I'd like the option of accurate, simplified solutions that are easier for me to use. I'm worried that rounding after solving isn't accurate.

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12-15-2015 , 04:09 PM

#682

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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Are there any plans to implement rounding prior to solving?

Plans: yes.
I toyed around with it in the past but it's not trivial to make work. I hope I can make it work one day but it's hard to predict for me how it turns out at this point.
While I am not crazy about rounding feature making it work is important for other reasons so I actually have some incentive to try in the near future

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12-15-2015 , 06:31 PM

#683

de0

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 170

It seems the cpu usage is quite low on my cpu for the preflop solver. It hovers around 30-60% with max threads. Is this a common problem or just an issue with my cpu?

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12-15-2015 , 08:36 PM

#684

Zenkei2007

adept

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 918

When I try to use JEsolver and try to connect the solver I get an error access denied... any ideaS?

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12-16-2015 , 05:17 AM

#685

Explorerer

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 12

Is there an estimation of when rake will be added to the (preflop) solver?

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12-16-2015 , 05:19 AM

#686

+VLFBERH+T

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 657

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Originally Posted by Zenkei2007

When I try to use JEsolver and try to connect the solver I get an error access denied... any ideaS?

Did you register Jesolver properly ?

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12-16-2015 , 07:34 AM

#687

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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It seems the cpu usage is quite low on my cpu for the preflop solver. It hovers around 30-60% with max threads. Is this a common problem or just an issue with my cpu?

If you have more than 12 physical cores then try updating again (force update in the updater) as I've shipped a capped version by accident.
If you have less, test on small subset (say 5 flops) and see how it behaves. If it behaves better it means that probably part of the big tree was already in a swap file and that slowed it down.

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When I try to use JEsolver and try to connect the solver I get an error access denied... any ideaS?

First of all try running it separately, see if the console with a welcome string appears.
If it runs like that then it's a problem on the viewer<->solver line which is usually solved by either running both as admin or disabling antivirus for a while (and if that solves the problem adding the programs to the list of allowed ones). Especially Avast is notorious for causing silent fails of various kinds.
If the solver doesn't start at all on your computer then write to Oskari including exactly what happens when you try to start and what CPU and operating system version you are running.

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Is there an estimation of when rake will be added to the (preflop) solver?

No as the time is a scarce resource at the moment but it's one of the most important things I want to add now (possibility to solve 6max spots and node locking were higher on the list).

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12-16-2015 , 11:10 PM

#688

Zenkei2007

adept

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 918

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Originally Posted by +VLFBERH+T

Did you register Jesolver properly ?

no, i thought it would work to a small extent with pioviewer even if i dont buy jesolver. is that a mistaken notion?

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12-16-2015 , 11:11 PM

#689

Zenkei2007

adept

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 918

I get an error stating please verify that both the os and process support intel x 87, cmov, mmx, pxave, sse etc etc.

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12-17-2015 , 07:09 AM

#690

buffyslayer1

Coach MTT

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,553

Hi

Is node locking for preflop supported yet?
I did have a go at it but could not get it to work and didn't see an example in the intro vid to preflop solving

Thanks

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12-17-2015 , 07:17 AM

#691

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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no, i thought it would work to a small extent with pioviewer even if i dont buy jesolver. is that a mistaken notion?

It should work (the beta version).
It looks like the compile uses some CPU instructions yours doesn't support.
Visit: http://jeskola.net/jesolver_beta/ and write to Oskari here:
support@jesolver.com

Preferably include exact CPU model you have, he should be able to make a compile for you.

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Is node locking for preflop supported yet?

It should work although I didn't test it too deeply.
Don't use node-locking for something like BTN raise, SB 3bet for that just choose starting ranges and force both BTN bet and SB 3bet in the tree (don't add calls and folds there).
I will run some more cases with proper node locking to confirm it works.

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12-17-2015 , 08:19 AM

#692

poker-hero

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 382

Hi, among the piosolver tools, is there one allowing to do that? http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45.../#post48900529

I think I saw in one vid that your tool allow to do this postflop, but can it do it Preflop?

thank you

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12-17-2015 , 09:41 AM

#693

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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Hi, among the piosolver tools, is there one allowing to do that? http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16.../#post48900529

I think I saw in one vid that your tool allow to do this postflop, but can it do it Preflop?

Yes, it works preflop and postflop even in a free version.
After downloading the newest free version from the website:

http://piosolver.myshopify.com/colle...piosolver-free

(download link in the product description) start it, go to Tools->Range explorer and there you have a nice range analysis tools which calculates equities vs range instantly and exactly.

If you would like to have preflop equity just edit the board to be empty, like here:
http://i.imgur.com/xKEPU2S.gifv

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12-18-2015 , 09:59 AM

#694

CherryPoker

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 48

Hi, El Bandito here.

Just start testing my 2 computers with PIOsolver:
1) i5-2500 @ 3.30 GHz
2) i7-4790K @ 4.00 GHz

both 32GB RAM

on this script:

Spoiler:

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skip_if_done saves/6s6d7s.cfr next
go 3600 seconds
wait_for_solver
forget rivers
dump_tree saves/6s6d7s.cfr
LABEL: next
repeat 1 1 out of 1 done
solver_time
repeat 1 Script has completed. You can close this window. Result files are in saves directory

The result is that weaker one has do each iteration 66% slower (f.e 1st iteration 213sec vs 129sec) and whole work of course also.

My 1st question is could I expect any other script would give similar effect I mean about 55% - 75% different?

My second question is if I am interested only in EVs to aggregation report how my scripts/trees should looks like? Still 0.25% accuracy? How many sizings flop/turn/river would you recomend? What about donking?

Best Regards,
El Bandito

edit: how to make this spoiler smaller?

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12-18-2015 , 10:26 AM

#695

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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The result is that weaker one has do each iteration 66% slower (f.e 1st iteration 213sec vs 129sec) and whole work of course also.

Yes, you can expect similar results.

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My second question is if I am interested only in EVs to aggregation report how my scripts/trees should looks like? Still 0.25% accuracy? How many sizings flop/turn/river would you recomend? What about donking?

To get EVs right you don't need anywhere close the accuracy, it's always better to run more flops instead. Something like 0.5% is probably already better than enough for the purpose of EVs.
It also makes sense to cut as many lines which don't contribute to overall EV much (or at all). Those include:

-flop donkbet on the flop if OOP is not a preflop aggressor (so has weaker range)
-flop donkbets on turn/river (about always)
-raise IP on the flop (it's worth 0 in most cases)

also use one sensible in-the-middle sizing.

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How many sizings flop/turn/river would you recomend?

The subsets from the blog posts are good, either 94 or 184 should do.

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edit: how to make this spoiler smaller?

Use a code tag instead of a spoiler one like this:

Code:

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skip_if_done saves/6s6d7s.cfr next
go 3600 seconds
wait_for_solver
forget rivers 
dump_tree saves/6s6d7s.cfr
LABEL: next
repeat 1 1 out of 1 done
solver_time 
repeat 1 Script has completed. You can close this window. Result files are in saves directory

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12-18-2015 , 12:01 PM

#696

CherryPoker

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 48

Ok I done everything as you say and obtain:

1) 4 times smaller tree
2) over 10 times shorter solving time

But there some significient differents in results:
http://prntscr.com/9fpogk

For quads even 1,4bb. I dont know if it be very important if go for 100 flops but if yes. What is more important add 1 more sizing (flop? turn? river?) or increase accuracy? I can imagine that additional sizing on flop could make it better but don't want to make decision only on one flop experience - you have a lot more experience.

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12-18-2015 , 12:42 PM

#697

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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But there some significient differents in results:
http://prntscr.com/9fpogk

They are going to be different of course but the differences are relatively small (even in your screenshots). The hope here is that when you average over more flops the resulting one is better than getting fewer trees exactly.

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What is more important add 1 more sizing (flop? turn? river?) or increase accuracy?

I already presented my view on this (add more flops) but I can't be sure. Testing those things is very time consuming as there are a lot of possible cases so I tested just a few.

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you have a lot more experience.

At this point there are a lot of people who have a lot more experience than me at actually solving stuff. Tbh I just don't have much time for it and when I run a cases for my own interest I focus on stuff I was always curious about.
But you know, you can test it yourself and come to your own conclusions or maybe ask on our Skype group where people who run it 24h/day sometimes offer some advice

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12-18-2015 , 06:43 PM

#698

johan.w.1986

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 8

Piosolver seems to be so strong and keeps evolving rapidly. I was Actually thinking of buying crev Since it seems to be very multi functional. But is there actually any reason for me not to buy piosolver instead? Or is there a reason to own both?

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12-18-2015 , 09:31 PM

#699

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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CREV is a decision tree software which let you model the opponent strategy and calculate the best reponse vs that or the evs of other reponses.
PioSOLVER solves for equilibrium (optimal play) without many assumptions.

The concept of CREV is a nice one but in practice it takes a lot of time to model opponent's strategy and you are never sure if you did it correctly. The probem with the solver is that you get an equilibrium but you won't get max exploitative strategy vs real non-optimal opponents. You can lock strategies in particular node to get some idea but mostly thinking how you should adjust from equilibrium to exploit your opponents is on you.

I like to think that CREV is a "a lot of input - little output" kind of program and PioSOLVER is "very little input - a lot of output" one. It's easy to fire up a tree or 10 or 50 for that matter and have results relatively quickly (with 50 you need to run it overnight) and then study them. It's easy to make aggregation reports, analyze the ranges with range explorer etc. You get more output than you can process so it's an art to pick the useful bits.

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12-19-2015 , 03:45 AM

#700

CherryPoker

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 48

If I run PIO on 95 flops and each take about 5-6 minutes is it any sense of giving 10 sec break after each or it should be more (30 sec?) to take any effect?

Doing it on i5-2500 It is not overlocked etc.

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