As long as you can install Net Framework 4.5.2 it will work.
Make sure you have hardware good enough to run it though (I am only mentioning it because Windows XP usually means an older computer).
In general you need reasonably modern i5/i7 and 8GB of RAM. It's workable with less but then you take a big hit in performance/what you can solve.

Ok, and if I understood well from your previous posts, right now we have 3x activations that come with the Edge version + only 1 preflop solver activation. Is that it ?

Thanks for the replies !

Hello punter!

Waiting for the release of preflop solver! However, I have some questions! Is it possible to run sims with all flops if I have 64 GB of RAM and how long it will take? It seems that subsets will give me not accurate results. Have u seen this video ?
Also how much RAM I need to run 6-10 outs from preflop to flop cause 3 is really poor?

Thanks !

Yes. It will be changed to 2+1 after the announcement.

Yes!

No, the whole game is usually between 750GB to 2TB.

Too long, just multiply normal solving time by 1755 * preflop exits and see what kind of number you get.

It seems wrong to you. The subsets give almost a perfect match to real solutions even when they are very small.

I've seen it. The solution by Will Tipton is off because of the following factors:

1)His subset is not very good, we have better ones, more here:
http://piosolver.myshopify.com/blogs...the-whole-game

Our subset of about 25 flops is already better than Tipton's 103 and say 40 flops is already way way better.

2)Tipton cut a lot of turns and rivers postflop (I think it was 15 turns and 7 rivers) which might have skewed EVs a lot

Additionally:
1)We've already compared the solutions to some calculated on either all flops or very big subsets (like half of the flops); some private teams did it before; I've also posted a very naive try at 7bb game solution in my announcement here. Even though it wasn't many flops and was run on a home computer with 32GB of RAM for just a few hours the solutions are almost exactly the same (I posted pictures, just look at them)

2)The author of this video is wrong about "the errors are going to compound on further streets". It's not how any of this works. When you are making a mistake on a previous street you play subsequent street with your new range. That means that if you make an error comparing to GTO for 0.1$ on the flop and play turn/river perfectly you lose 0.1$. It's not "compounding". You can easily test it: solve some flop with postflop solver, look at some flop decision and lock this particular combo to do a different action which is say 1$ mistake. Then solve again with this assumption and see how your overall EV changed.

It depends how big postflop trees are and how many flops you want. 7-10 preflop exits will be too much for 64GB of RAM unless you just want EVs (which converge well even on very small subsets). In cases of trees that big you will probably need to rent a server and/or use a service which someone will be doing for us (for prices comparable/cheaper than running it yourself on EC2).

Anyway, wait for announcement and you will see

Btw, by preflop exits I mean exits where there is postflop play. Typical 100bb spot with one raise has 3 exits: raise-call, raise-3bet-call, raise-3bet-4bet-call.
Typical spot in 25bb HU has 5 exits:
1)minraise-call
2)minraise-3bet-call
3)limp-check
4)limp-raise-call
5)limp-raise-3bet-call

And even then 5) could be omitted as limp-raise is usually a limp-shove. You only need 6-10 exits when you want to add many sizes preflop and yeah, those trees are kinda big.

Hi Punter,

I'm currently a Pro user. If i go buy another Pro version will that upgrade me to EDGE ready for the weekend? If not, how can i upgrade?

Thanks!

As edge version is currently 1100$, the difference is bigger than another pro version.
The link to the product is here:
http://piosolver.myshopify.com/produ...o-edge-upgrade

I would like bring everybody's attention to a new solver appearing on the market.
The solver is written by Oskari Tammelin - the guy behind Cepheus - the project to solve Limit Holdem. The solver is very fast and memory efficient. In fact it's on average 3x to 5x faster than PioSOLVER to 0.25% of the pot and even more so when better accuracy is required. It's usually possible to get to 0.05% or lower in very reasonable time using it.
You will also be able to build bigger trees because of compression abilities included.

I had a pleasure to test it for some time and I think it's quite amazing what Oskari was able to achieve in performance department.
The solver works with PioViewer and might be a great addition for our customers who need speed or memory efficiency to build even bigger trees and solve them faster.
Please check out the (for now provisional) site with a beta release:

http://jeskola.net/jesolver_beta/

While I am on friendly terms with Oskari we don't have any kind of financial deal and I don't benefit at all from his further sells. I am endorsing the solver out of respect for what was achieved. I also think many our customers may benefit form using it.
Go check the site and download a free beta!

I can't test Jesolver for flops in my system.

Here it's the pic with the error :



In the site it says :

The free version includes full turn and river solvers and a demo version of the flop solver that is limited to solving just one flop (Qs Jh 2h, which also happens to be used in many of the demo scripts).



If I could know this works for my system I would be able to know if I can buy this product or not but it seems it's not possible to test a flop.

Add a turn to the board and remove the betsizes on the flop might solve that

The problem here is, your free Pioversion doesnt support flop to begin with, so you will not be able to test it like that from how i see it. I tested it with my version and it worked very well.

So in order to test a flop I have to buy pio solver ?

What's the purpose of testing it if I have to buy it before testing

Yes, we will fix that.

Oskari's solver is new and we need to adjust the viewer go accommodate some of its features one sample flop to solve being one of them. It's high on the priority list in coming days so should happen soon.
Again, it's an early beta release. The stuff is exciting but please show some patience

Will the preflop solver have the ability to add antes into the pot?

Thanks

Yes.

Thanks I was trying to upgrade to edge to get the preflop solver. However, the only way to pay seems to be paypal and I cannot select the credit card options?

Nvm I figured it out thx

It seems we won't make it today.
Tomorrow is very likely though. Some last things to make a bit more user friendly are needed.
Thanks for your patience

I think having Q-high in range explorer would be beneficial for HU players. I understand it is not particularly useful for most 6max spots. No draw and no pair would be nice to have as well.

The time will come to come back to range explorer and add things like this but that time is not in near future sadly. You can always select stuff manually as well.
This is already implemented and will be there in 1.7

Announcement about preflop solver:

I am making it brief because I had a long day:

1)Please read about in on our blog here:
http://piosolver.myshopify.com/blogs...preflop-solver

and watch the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX8n2E3OGok

2)It includes:
-solving HU spots with SB in position
-solving HU spots with SB out of position
-possibility to add dead money to the pot (antes, folded blinds etc.)
-possibility to solve spots like BTN vs BB in 6max assuming SB already folded (with specified BTN stealing range)
-possibility to not include some actions (so you can solve spots where for example BB is only allowed to 3bet or fold).
-node locking works
-small saves (preflop+flop) work but you can save the whole tree as well
-arbitrary trees possible preflop - there is a nice tree like editor
-postflop exits are fully configurable (sizings, options, cap, allin threshold etc.)
-flop subsets are included from 5 to several hundred flops; they are carefully prepared to give the best possible results for subset of given size
-it solves postflop trees and uses 3x less memory than the current solver; the drawbacks are: it's slower (about 20%), less precise, is missing some functionality (like rounding and line frequencies) and the saves are not compatible; it's not recommended to use it for the purpose but the option is there;

2)Hardware requirement:
-32GB of RAM to play around/get ballpark results
-64GB of RAM to have something more serious

On 32GB you will be usually able to run about 35-40 flop subsets on trees with 3 exits. With 64GB you can use very big subsets (anything 60+ is quite big with how good those subsets are) or trees with more exits.

3)Cloud/dedicated servers:
-you can run the solver on those without any problems
-we are introducing PioCloud - the service to make it cheaper/more convenient to run the solutions; you may choose to use it or not, the idea is to give our users additional options, not to limit them; we endorse PioCloud and support the person behind it but we are not running it ourselves (because we don't have time for it); it should be a cheaper option than renting Amazon instance and running it yourself so I highly recommend you check it out.

4)Licensing:
The preflop solver is part of the edge license it means it runs on the computer you have edge activated. This also means edge customers can run it on 3 computers. It will be changed to 2 activations (same as basic/pro) on December 19th.
We planned to make it a separate product but decided against as we thought it would be too much hassle to deal with for our users. The solution we've chosen is better for everybody as now you get more preflop activations and you can use the same registration key.

That's it. I think it's a very exciting solver. We will be focusing on it for quite a while now so all feedback/suggestions/bug reports are welcome.

Have fun!

I didn't get it.

If I'll upgrade my Pro license to Edge for 650$, could I get PioCloud Pack 4 (165$) for free, or I should pay for it to separately.

And, Pro licence now have some kind of Add-on/Upgrade to Pio for free, that PioEdge don't have, right?

Could you rate avg price on next packs for 6max?

I mean, I'm a happiest PioEdge 24/7 user, but I wanna know how much money I should pay now to get this whole PioSolverPreflop thing in cheapest way =)

Just upgrade Edge to Pro licence in my acc?

No, the cloud is just an additional service for people who can't/don't want to run stuff themselves. It's also cheaper than running it yourself on say Amazon EC2.
The cloud runs the very same solver you get with edge license. It's just providing much requested service - you pay for convenience and saved time.

I have 0 idea what you are talking about, maybe explain?

No, because as noted in the announcement I am not running that service. The person running it aims for running it cheaply (so people use it instead of renting servers themselves and spend time on setting them up) so all I can say is that it will be reasonable.

You get it with edge license. What you do after that depends on you entirely.

Yes!

Well, I saw video and now that's a bit clearer.

So, if I wanna get SB vs BB 100 BB Solution, I should buy Preflop-Pack 4 (169$)

Then I can browse it in my PioEdge (Preflop Version).

And this solution is in the cloud, so don't have to download like 300 GB on my PC, I'll just get access to server, right?

Does it matter how much RAM I have on my PC? I mean, could be there any problems with browsing if I have 16 GB.




P.s. Added you in skype for buying) There're two accounts, I prefered Germany to Taiwan =D

Questions about PioCloud go to... PioCloud
Again, you can run it yourself or buy it. It depends what's your needs are.

You need to download it. Luckily preflop + flop saves will be available (similarly to flop + turn for the postflop trees) and those are reasonably small (from tens to 100-200mb).

For solving - yes.
For browsing the solutions - no.

Read the announcement again: I am not running the PioCloud service although I am in contact with a person who does and I support them to make everything smooth.