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Old 12-20-2019, 08:30 PM   #5876
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I reinstall the windows system on my PC,and it said the product key has already been actived with the max number of computer.

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Old 12-20-2019, 11:11 PM   #5877
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I reinstall the windows system on my PC,and it said the product key has already been actived with the max number of computer.

How can i fix this problem?
anyone here?
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Old 12-21-2019, 06:18 AM   #5878
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Thank you for your help. It was a mismatch of IP/OOP when using the calc_ev command causing the values to be different. I wonder why this param exists instead of deriving the same from the node. Thanks again so much for helping out.
It makes sense to talk about EV of both players no matter who is to act next. The parameter is needed because of it.


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I reinstall the windows system on my PC,and it said the product key has already been actived with the max number of computer.

How can i fix this problem?
Please notice it's weekend and we might be in a different timezone than you are. Some patience is appreciated.

Please use this link to reset your license or find your key:
https://licences.piofiles.com/

The link to the installer is there as well.
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Old 12-22-2019, 10:03 AM   #5879
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Old 12-22-2019, 12:29 PM   #5880
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

anyone expirement with the allin threshold and how low you can go without losing accuracy?
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Old 12-23-2019, 07:18 AM   #5881
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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The problem with this idea is that those are not unique.
For example Q73ss might be:
Qs 7s 3h
Qs 7h 3s
Qh 7s 3s

and of course there no guarantee there won't be a flop like Qs 7d 3d which is strategically the same as the last one from the list above but still it's possible to request those in the script. To implement this idea one needs a way to resolve name conflicts in such cases. Maybe it's just easier to write a tool to change names of the files once they are created. It doesn't have to be related to the solver in any way.
Anyone? Cant program this myself unfortunately.

Q73gg
Q73hh
Q73ff

would work as well if you guys would be willing to implement something like this. For human analysis the exact suites are irrelevant in most spots. Of course, the computer thinks differently.

Couldnt the solver do the renaming after all operations are performed as well, so that there is no clash between names? I imagine you guys can program this relatively easily ^^ So that the output looks like somewhat like this:

Qs 7s 3c and Qs 3s 7c --> Q73ss, Q73ss (2) or Q73gg, Q73ff etc.
("gg" could be cards 1+2 in same suites, while "ff" cards 2+3 in same suits etc., where "Q" is card 1, "7" is card 2 in the example above)

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Old 12-23-2019, 12:17 PM   #5882
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi, imagine a situation if I open from SB. I want to find out what is +EV open.
I know villain's range. I know what he call's what he 3bet's. But how to solve it in PIOsolver?

I build a tree where is range of villain. But I can not divide tha range to 3b range, calling range to Piosolver knows how villain play and how.

How to solve it? Thanks
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Old 12-23-2019, 03:08 PM   #5883
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OR

Villain open's from UTG two folds and I am on the BTN.
My hand is AQs.

2. I want to find out what has better EV.
Call or 3B?

I understand how to find out EV of call.

How does it work if I analyze 3B?
I set in piosolver vilain's range. Then I set my hand as AQs and I force pio 3bet.

If does happens if I do this? What does do pio with villains range? Does it thinks that villain calls whole his opening range? Or how pio solve it? Thanks
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Old 12-23-2019, 03:41 PM   #5884
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How is EQR defined and does it have any useful interpretations?
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Old 12-23-2019, 05:01 PM   #5885
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi,
I have not used PIO for a while and now when I try to load tree I see this error messagge - "characters the path contains illegal in part "desktop"
Can you please help?
Thanks
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:10 AM   #5886
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would work as well if you guys would be willing to implement something like this. For human analysis the exact suites are irrelevant in most spots. Of course, the computer thinks differently.
It just sounds like a feature for a very specific use-case. We try to avoid implementing those as the queue of more commonly requested ones is already very long.
Maybe you could make it easier on yourself if you always use the same order of suits. For example only use spades if it's monosuited, spades/hearts if it's 2-tone etc.

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I know villain's range. I know what he call's what he 3bet's. But how to solve it in PIOsolver?
You can build a preflop tree and node-lock 3bet/call/fold decision and then solve it.
You need edge version and very serious hardware to do that though.

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Villain open's from UTG two folds and I am on the BTN.
My hand is AQs.
You can't solve it with Pio at the moment as it's still multiway pot (there are players to act behind).
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How is EQR defined and does it have any useful interpretations?
It's defined as EV (what you get if both players follow the GTO strategy) divided by all-in equity. The value described how well a hand does in comparison to raw equity.
I am not sure if there are any practical uses. It's a curiosity implemented for historical reasons. In the age of the preflop solver it's not really that useful.

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I have not used PIO for a while and now when I try to load tree I see this error messagge - "characters the path contains illegal in part "desktop"
Can you please help?
Try moving the saves to something like c:\piosaves and see if it works.
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Old 12-26-2019, 02:11 PM   #5887
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

How do you set up ICM calculations in PIO? I cant find the option. I only have PIO Basic. Is it only included in the other versions?
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Old 12-26-2019, 03:44 PM   #5888
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

So I recently bought PIO and tried to run a sim

Here is image of the sim https://gyazo.com/808b07ae2d05e1456c...GeXg0ZP3l0d8EM.

It's saying I need 10gb of free memory to run the sim which is quite a lot, was just wondering am i using pio wrong? or do you actually need a lot of memory to run sims like this.


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Old 12-27-2019, 05:00 AM   #5889
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How do you set up ICM calculations in PIO? I cant find the option. I only have PIO Basic. Is it only included in the other versions?
It's included in all the versions.
There is ICM button in the treebuilding and calculation tab (you may need to scroll down the left side) and in the preflop tab (although with the basic version you can only build pure preflop trees - withotu postflop play).
If you can't see it please make sure you are running the newest version (it should be 1.10.24.3 for the viewer and 1.10.21 for the solver)

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Here is image of the sim https://gyazo.com/808b07ae2d05e1456c...GeXg0ZP3l0d8EM.

It's saying I need 10gb of free memory to run the sim which is quite a lot, was just wondering am i using pio wrong? or do you actually need a lot of memory to run sims like this.
You tried to build a huge tree with too many bet sizes. It's impossible to see on the screen exactly but it looks like you have 3/4 bet sizes and raise sizes on both flop and turn and then even more on the river.
Those trees are just humongous (and would take a very long time to solve even if you build them). It's a good idea to start with smaller trees, try 2-3 bet sizes and one raise size and that will be much faster. You can try some of the included configs as well as watching the quick start video where I solve a simple tree.
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Old 12-27-2019, 04:05 PM   #5890
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi, I made situations where OOP opens with range on the image and IP 3bets with TT.
1. PIOsolver says that 3bet with TT has EV 10 (10bb or what 10?).
BUT what Does think PIOsolver about OOP range? He thinks that OOP calls whole his range? OR what it thinks?




2. The second thing I don't understand is that PIOsolver folds in the same hand combinations like KK. What is it? The strategy doesnt make sense. Can you explain it?




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Old 12-28-2019, 10:43 AM   #5891
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You can build a preflop tree and node-lock 3bet/call/fold decision and then solve it.
You need edge version and very serious hardware to do that though.
Well, How can I use PIO in solving preflop game if I have just basic version?
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Old 12-28-2019, 01:58 PM   #5892
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It's included in all the versions.
There is ICM button in the treebuilding and calculation tab (you may need to scroll down the left side) and in the preflop tab (although with the basic version you can only build pure preflop trees - withotu postflop play).
If you can't see it please make sure you are running the newest version (it should be 1.10.24.3 for the viewer and 1.10.21 for the solver)
I have an older version than that. How do I update? When I run the pioupdater.exe, it says it is up to date
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Old 12-29-2019, 04:20 AM   #5893
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1. PIOsolver says that 3bet with TT has EV 10 (10bb or what 10?).
10 chips. You define pot size in chips and then bet sizes are in chips and EV is in chips.
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BUT what Does think PIOsolver about OOP range? He thinks that OOP calls whole his range? OR what it thinks?
It's not visible on the screenshot. You need to show "strategy" or "strategy+EV" to see it.
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2. The second thing I don't understand is that PIOsolver folds in the same hand combinations like KK. What is it? The strategy doesnt make sense. Can you explain it?
It looks like the tree isn't solved yet. After building the tree you need to click "go" button (located in treebuilding tab).
It also seems you are building a tree with only one hand for the opponent (TT?). This won't work. You need to define their whole range.

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Well, How can I use PIO in solving preflop game if I have just basic version?
You can't with the exception of pure preflop games (no postflop play). You can though load preflop saves, for example some from packs we made available for free, here:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/piosolver-1-10-13

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I have an older version than that. How do I update? When I run the pioupdater.exe, it says it is up to date
Please make sure to use installer/updater from here:
https://piofiles.com/download/Updater/PioUpdater.exe

Notice the installation folder location as well. It's possible that you still have an older version somewhere else and are running that one instead of the new one.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:10 PM   #5894
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hey guys, I had Piosolver PRO installed on my PC, which then was formatted and I accidentally forgot to copy it over. How do I access my PRO without having to download (and pay) again from the site?
Any response appreciated !
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Old 12-29-2019, 11:16 PM   #5895
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I recently purchased PioSolver and trying to learn how to use it. Would appreciate some help execute a few commands.

I have PioSolver Pro running on my iMac using Parallels.

Id like to capture, in a file, the results of the command show_all_freqs global.

Would I place these three commands in a script and load the script?

stdoutredi results.txt
show_all_freqs global
stdoutback

Or do I issue the commands one at a time in the window where I run an arbitrary solver command?

Ive tried both approaches. Neither seems to work. Upon issuing the command stdoutredi results.txt, nothing happens and PioSolver locks up.

Any suggestions would be helpful.

Thank you.
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Old 12-30-2019, 06:52 AM   #5896
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Hey guys, I had Piosolver PRO installed on my PC, which then was formatted and I accidentally forgot to copy it over. How do I access my PRO without having to download (and pay) again from the site?
Any response appreciated !
Please follow the instructions here:
https://licences.piofiles.com/

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I’d like to capture, in a file, the results of the command show_all_freqs global.
The caveman way of doing that without any scripting/programming is:
-ctrl+b to bring arbitrary solver command window
-execute the command
-copy and paste to text file

Now answering your question:
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stdoutredi results.txt
show_all_freqs global
stdoutback
Yeah, that should work you may even bypass PioViewer entirely by loading the tree in the script as well.
I am not sure how those stdoutredi command interact with PioViewer tbh, it's ages since I tested that. Try it yourself and see.

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I’ve tried both approaches. Neither seems to work. Upon issuing the command stdoutredi results.txt, nothing happens and PioSolver locks up.
Yeah, it's really not something we foreseen (using redirection to file from PioViewer). PioViewer is unable to see solver's responses once you redirect them that's why it locks up.
Try this:

Code:
load_tree my_tree.cfr
stdoutredi results.txt
show_all_freqs global
stdoutback
save it as text file "script1.txt". then execute:
PioSOLVER-pro.exe script1.txt from the command line. This way you don't need GUI at all.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:37 AM   #5897
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Punter,

I know I had ask you about similar issues this in the past. I am running a AMD Threadripper 1950x 16-core 3.4gz, 64GB RAM. I'm experiencing incredibly long solve times while running 200bb spots, especially single raised pots.

When I check, my memory is often being used to the maximum solving these 200bb spots. Ive even ran into the issue of not having enough avaialable memory to build some trees.. All in all, I feel as though the performance of my application is worse than a few months ago. I had messaged you before about difficulty in low single raised pots. I still used the change_step 0.65 function but It hasnt seemed to help much.

Would it be recommended to upgrade to 128bg RAM if I'm interested in looking into wider range spots?
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:31 AM   #5898
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

On another note, I've recently had issue copying ranges from one clipboard to the next. Not a huge deal but seems like a simple problem.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:44 AM   #5899
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi, I use Piosolver and I like the program.
However, as we are required to assign a range to our opponent, would you like to know if the software can be useful against unknown players?
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Old 12-30-2019, 09:25 AM   #5900
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Sorry for the disjointed questions, but I have been running into memory bottlecaps while trying to solve two 200bb simulations at once. I used to be able to easily run a 100bb SRP simultaneoiusly while running a 3betpot (using 3-4 sizings each sim). Now my setup is struggling to solve a single 200bb SRP pot and seems to lack the memory to run another 200bb 3bet spot. Is it a lost cause to upgrade my RAM or should I start looking for a server? Mostly interested in looking into postflop situations. I understand if this question is hard to answer without greater specifics. Thanks anyways, hopefully someone has an answer.
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