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07-18-2019 , 06:23 PM
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No, the option is there in all versions. I am not sure what you mean that they don't appear on 2nd screenshot. I can see them right there


That 2nd screenshot is not mine, I took it from internet as an example. Mine doesn´t show nothing.
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07-18-2019 , 08:08 PM
I read that jesolver is much faster than pio but they seem to be about the same in the limited tests I ran. Have there been improvements in pio? I am using 10 cores on edge.
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07-19-2019 , 03:21 AM
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Hi

this is the output of the log file
Can you drop us an email with your key and a screenshot from the error message when you insert the key? The error code suggests you are using a key for one version but have another installed.

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I ran a 4Bet 184 flop script and now I'm trying to run an aggregated report across multiple files. It seems to say that every flop I check is missing flop weighting. Is there anyway to add it? I added the subsets from the website with weighting initially. Thanks.
The weights are read from the original script. If it's still in the folder with all the saves it should happen automatically. If it doesn't make sure the script is there (and only this script so the solver doesn't get confused).

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That 2nd screenshot is not mine, I took it from internet as an example. Mine doesn´t show nothing.
First please update to the newest version if the problem is there please make a screenshot of it showing nothing because I am not sure what you mean.

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I read that jesolver is much faster than pio but they seem to be about the same in the limited tests I ran. Have there been improvements in pio? I am using 10 cores on edge.
Jesolver is much faster on simple trees (1 bet size, maybe 2 sometimes) and it converges better (usually) to very low accuracies. The bigger the tree the more even it is and if you don't try going below 0.25% (or better yet 0.35%) the smaller the difference is.
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07-21-2019 , 06:37 AM
I'm sure that this has been covered so please point me to resources for this if there are any.

Was just wondering why pio sometimes mixes in two actions when EV of one is clearly better than the other. Like in this vid where it infrequently bluffcatches a weak hand even though the EV is considerably less than 0:
https://youtu.be/OxB20Zoe5nU?t=488
I thought this was a huge no no in GTO and I think other solvers never do this. Ty for any help.
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07-21-2019 , 08:48 AM
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Was just wondering why pio sometimes mixes in two actions when EV of one is clearly better than the other. Like in this vid where it infrequently bluffcatches a weak hand even though the EV is considerably less than 0:
EVs is calculated against the current solution. As long as it's not exactly equilibrium the EVs for mixed actions aren't going to be the same.
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I thought this was a huge no no in GTO and I think other solvers never do this. Ty for any help.
As long as the solution isn't perfect the EVs for mixed actions won't be the same. If they were the solution would be perfect equilibrium (as no player could improve). This means that if that any solver shows exploitability higher than 0 then it has mixing with varying EVs somewhere.
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07-21-2019 , 09:40 AM
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As long as the solution isn't perfect the EVs for mixed actions won't be the same. If they were the solution would be perfect equilibrium (as no player could improve). This means that if that any solver shows exploitability higher than 0 then it has mixing with varying EVs somewhere.
I remember a discussion of cases where Pio's algorithm doesn't lead to arbitrary high accuracy and gets stuck along the way. (It happened to me once with some complex tree, where accuracy stopped improving beyond 0.05 pot or thereabout.). There was a mention of a command line parameter that can be used, which may slow convergence a bit, initially, but leads to higher accuracy. I can't find it anymore.
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07-21-2019 , 10:17 AM
Is there any script that will bypass the pio viewer and just produce an aggregation report in excel?
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07-21-2019 , 03:06 PM
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I remember a discussion of cases where Pio's algorithm doesn't lead to arbitrary high accuracy and gets stuck along the way. (It happened to me once with some complex tree, where accuracy stopped improving beyond 0.05 pot or thereabout.). There was a mention of a command line parameter that can be used, which may slow convergence a bit, initially, but leads to higher accuracy. I can't find it anymore.
Yes, Pio algorithm's main objective is to save memory to let you build bigger trees and to converge to something close to the equilibrium fast. It's really not so good at getting to very good accuracies. We will ship an algorithm converging to 0 in the future (it will take more than 2x memory though).
The option you are talking about is:
change_step 0.65

It's useful for complicated trees but it's unlikely to help if you goal is to go below 0.1%.

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Is there any script that will bypass the pio viewer and just produce an aggregation report in excel?
PioViewer uses API calls to produce the reports. If you want to bypass it you would need to implement report making functionality yourself. It's doable as you can use the same API calls PioViewer uses but it is far from trivial task.
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07-22-2019 , 06:55 AM
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Can you drop us an email with your key and a screenshot from the error message when you insert the key? The error code suggests you are using a key for one version but have another installed.


Hi

I realised this is a old log file from a error I had before when moving PC's. I tried the report again enabling logging and it doesn't record anything.

PIO just freezes on one of the scripts. All other aggregation reports run fine, maybe its something to do with the actual files I have for this report. However, they don't seem any different and all load fine individually.
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07-22-2019 , 02:30 PM
When facing a bet, is pio supposed to defend each combo that has equity that meets or exceeds the pot odds it is being laid by the bet?

It seems like pio sometimes folds hands with equity that exceeds the pot odds.

Am I missing something or is due to not solving all the way to 0?
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07-22-2019 , 02:43 PM
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PIO just freezes on one of the scripts. All other aggregation reports run fine, maybe its something to do with the actual files I have for this report. However, they don't seem any different and all load fine individually.
Does it just freeze or does it crash? Again, feel free to email some screenshot and if you are able to see at what file it freezes on maybe send the file as well. It's hard to diagnose without specific info.

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When facing a bet, is pio supposed to defend each combo that has equity that meets or exceeds the pot odds it is being laid by the bet?
No, that's not correct poker strategy rule. All-in equity matters little on the flop.

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It seems like pio sometimes folds hands with equity that exceeds the pot odds.

Am I missing something or is due to not solving all the way to 0?
Just because a hand would be call if there was no subsequent betting doesn't mean it's a call if the opponent can bet the turn and river.
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07-23-2019 , 10:14 PM
Hi punter

https://piocloud.******.com/download-links.html

the piocloud download links don't work anymore. Is there any chance you can reactivate them again ?
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07-24-2019 , 03:40 AM
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Hi punter

https://piocloud.******.com/download-links.html

the piocloud download links don't work anymore. Is there any chance you can reactivate them again ?
Yeah, apparently the monthly Dropbox quota for bandwidth was exceeded. It happened in the past. We will reupload them somewhere else but sadly it will have to wait around 2 weeks.
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07-24-2019 , 10:36 AM
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We will reupload them somewhere else but sadly it will have to wait around 2 weeks.
Great!Thanks!
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07-24-2019 , 02:36 PM
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Great!Thanks!
They are back for now. We are still going to re-host on something more reliable than Dropbox in the near future. For now you can download using the existing links.
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07-25-2019 , 02:36 AM
Do you support transfer of ownership? The original owner has never used his Pio and would like to transfer ownership over to me.
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07-25-2019 , 03:48 AM
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Do you support transfer of ownership? The original owner has never used his Pio and would like to transfer ownership over to me.
We don't. It's explained here:
https://www.piosolver.com/pages/faq

point 8.

Scams based on re-selling licenses and then requesting chargebacks are common. You will have no recourse what so over if you buy a license which someone then fills a chargeback request for or re-sells it to more people.
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07-26-2019 , 08:39 AM
What is good rule of thumb of accuracy values for pf sims. Talking about 100bb spots if that matters.
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07-26-2019 , 05:35 PM
Hello, I have a question please :

When cbetting range IP I want to have only 2 scenarios when not getting raised or bet into :

- Cbet Flop (range), cbet turn 115%, cbet river 115%
- Cbet Flop (range), check back turn, bet river 67% vs check

Basically I want the 115% river sizing to appear only when triple barrelling and the 67% only when checking back the turn and facing a check on the river. Is there a way of making Pio do that?

Thank you for your time.
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07-26-2019 , 07:42 PM
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Hello, I have a question please :



When cbetting range IP I want to have only 2 scenarios when not getting raised or bet into :



- Cbet Flop (range), cbet turn 115%, cbet river 115%

- Cbet Flop (range), check back turn, bet river 67% vs check



Basically I want the 115% river sizing to appear only when triple barrelling and the 67% only when checking back the turn and facing a check on the river. Is there a way of making Pio do that?



Thank you for your time.
Under “force flop actions”

[x]force oop check/ip bet

Under “Add extra lines”:

check, bet x%, check, bet 115, check, bet 115

check, bet x%, check, check, check, bet 67

x% will equal whatever cbet size you choose
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07-28-2019 , 10:07 AM
Hey guys if someone can help me i run in a strange problem
i never used KUBA 49 subsets flop with weight before
but i run it then after i finish i try to run the multifile report aggregated frequencies analysis but doesn t work i dont get it? this is normal?

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07-29-2019 , 05:37 AM
Is PLOCalc still a thing and if so is it discussed here or in another thread? I tried searching about Omaha, but this seems to be all hold'em discussion.
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07-29-2019 , 07:11 AM
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Hey guys if someone can help me i run in a strange problem
i never used KUBA 49 subsets flop with weight before
but i run it then after i finish i try to run the multifile report aggregated frequencies analysis but doesn t work i dont get it? this is normal?
I am not sure which file you are using. The ones two used are in preflop_subsets folder (if you don't have it, please update).

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Is PLOCalc still a thing and if so is it discussed here or in another thread? I tried searching about Omaha, but this seems to be all hold'em discussion.
It's a thing, it works and does more than any other PLO equity calculator on the market and is way faster. There are unfortunately no new developments at the moment. There will be PLO solver at some point but it all just takes too much time and it's not our top priority right now.
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07-29-2019 , 08:06 AM
Hi. Is it possible to export the whole tree/strategy for a given flip to a csv file?

From looking at your link here: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/07...00167010787006

It looks like it’s possible to do it for a specific point in the tree, however I’m wondering if it’s possible to do that for the whole tree?

Give the combos of turn/river cards combined with the many betting options, I realise this would create a huge file (probably too big for excel!). However I would find this very useful so I’m wondering if it’s possible?

Or even something a bit more stripped down than what I’m saying but more powerful than what is shown at the above link?
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07-29-2019 , 12:07 PM
Hi,

I recently purchased an additional PIO license to run on my laptop. I'm experiencing a weird issue where by after I run a game tree solve, then when I got to browse the tree all options are given the same weighting (ie check/bet 30/bet 70 all performed 33.3% of the time - and with every combo in that players' range).

I've never experienced this when running sims on my desktop computer and have attached a few images to illustrate what the issue is.

Any help would be appreciated. Have also attached a picture of the solve parameters. I'm at a loss.





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