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10-06-2015 , 05:38 AM
Is there a way to add dead cards to the tree?
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10-06-2015 , 06:10 AM
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Is there a way to add dead cards to the tree?
Not at the moment. I think it's an interesting feature but it has to wait a while.
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10-07-2015 , 05:08 AM
Thanks for the great tool, poker is more complex every day...
Do you already have a list of features you would like to have in next release?
I heard about pure preflop strategies, could you be a bit more explicit about it?
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10-07-2015 , 04:07 PM
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Do you already have a list of features you would like to have in next release?
I heard about pure preflop strategies, could you be a bit more explicit about it?
I have a list and everything is already done. Small bugs have to be fixed and some tests have to be run.
The list will come with the release
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10-08-2015 , 10:14 AM
Hi

I got a new PC today (with more RAM partly to use this program more effectively, just put PIO solver on it but it is not letting me register the product with the activation key.

I am guessing because it was used on my old PC before? could you help at all?
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10-08-2015 , 10:33 AM
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I am guessing because it was used on my old PC before? could you help at all?
Yes, acivations are per computer so you need to somehow let it now you are no longer using it.
Your options are:

1)if you still have access to the old computer:
http://piosolver.myshopify.com/pages/faq (point 5)

2)email support@piosolver.com with an error code the solver is producing when you insert the key and with your registration email (or the reg key)
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10-08-2015 , 07:12 PM
If I upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1 on the same laptop do I need to deactivate and reactivate my Piosolver licence? Any Piosolver issues with Win 10? (Just being thorough before risking Win 10)
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10-09-2015 , 07:16 AM
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If I upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1 on the same laptop do I need to deactivate and reactivate my Piosolver licence? Any Piosolver issues with Win 10? (Just being thorough before risking Win 10)
No issues but it would be the best if you deactivate it first.
It probably won't work if you don't but if that happens you can email us with the error code/reg key and we will sort it out anyway.
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10-09-2015 , 07:24 PM
Hi Punter I have a feature request, in order to better analyce strategies, in the main browser window an option to enter a specific card and see what the strategies are for combos that contain that card only, for example: select or type in the selector the Jc so all combos that do not contain the Jc are grayed out from the 13/13 grid.

This is useful becasue manytimes is difficult to understand the solver strategies and you are like: hmm I wonder why is it choosing to x/r this type of combos I bet it has something to do with IP cbetting this and this combos, then you want to go back to the node and verify your hypotesis and then is why you might be interested in only see combos in the betting or checing range that contain such a card.

also the inverse feature will be useful, to see only all combos in the range that do not contain certain card.

to implement it you could add the option to the tools menu and just display a small dialog to enter the card you only want to see the combos in the 13/13 grid and a checkbox for "show combos with this card only" or "show combos without this card only" (or the option could just be added to the range explorer)

and this change can be undo by just refreshing the node.

I bet this feature will be aprecited by hardcore users.

as always thank you very much!

Last edited by M_Acevedo; 10-09-2015 at 07:49 PM. Reason: added further detail
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10-10-2015 , 12:25 PM
A suggestion that may have already been asked for, for turn and river calulcations when selecting ranges can we get checkboxes for hand rankings? (similar to simple postflop), it makes building ranges wicked faster. when i can start empty, check top pair, set discounting to x%, select them, and then continue on.

Thanks!
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10-10-2015 , 01:04 PM
Random turn & river cards would be a nice feature! (including card removal from ranges at the node is best, but just a random card with even distribution is ok too)
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10-10-2015 , 04:35 PM
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I have a feature request, in order to better analyce strategies, in the main browser window an option to enter a specific card and see what the strategies are for combos that contain that card only, for example: select or type in the selector the Jc so all combos that do not contain the Jc are grayed out from the 13/13 grid.
Yeah this or other way to analyze blockers is a good idea.

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A suggestion that may have already been asked for, for turn and river calulcations when selecting ranges can we get checkboxes for hand rankings? (similar to simple postflop), it makes building ranges wicked faster. when i can start empty, check top pair, set discounting to x%, select them, and then continue on.
You can use Range Explorer for that and then copy paste from there (using the checkboxes) or you can use ctrl+click to for example mark all aces or all kings (ctrl+click on a combo marks all cards in this combo in a cross like manner)

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Random turn & river cards would be a nice feature! (including card removal from ranges at the node is best, but just a random card with even distribution is ok too)
I don't understand what you mean, elaborate?

1.6 is closed already and would be released today if it wasn't for small technical problem so all those things have to wait for a while but we are adding them to to-do with suitable priorities so feature requests are still welcome although at this point unlikely to be added quickly.
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10-11-2015 , 12:31 AM
Instead of choosing river card, deal it random
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10-11-2015 , 04:51 PM
Hello,

I am pleased to announce PioSOLVER 1.6
This is a release focused mainly on simple preflop functionality like

-ability to calculate EVs/EQs/Equity Realizations for a range and all preflop hands on given subset of flops (which may be a weighted one like Tipton flops or 500 random flops etc.) in a chosen spot.
-A tool to help you create preflop ranges/charts (CLICK)
-Solving simple pure preflop games (only on the solver side for a while)

There are more features as well, two most important ones are:
-Line frequency - when browsing the tree you can see average (over all turn/rivers) frequency of actions of a given line, not only on a specific runout
-Combo locking - ability to lock only specific combos instead of the whole node (on the solver side for a while as well)

You can read more about the changes here:
http://piosolver.myshopify.com/blogs...-piosolver-1-6

There is also a short video going over the most important new functionality, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4-7...ature=youtu.be

Due to slight technical problems pro and basic version will be shipped on Tuesday or Wednesday. Edge versions were shipped today.
As usual all which is required to update is clicking "check for updates" button in the updater.

Have fun!
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10-12-2015 , 11:10 AM
Awesome update Punter!

Refresh my memory please: what is your definition of Equity Realization? (How does it relate to EV and Equity (and pot size?) please?)
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10-12-2015 , 11:14 AM
What accuracy percent do you think is a nice balance between time taken per run and stability of result (accuracy of hand order) for multi-flop runs to calculate pre-flop hand order and EVs?
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10-12-2015 , 12:40 PM
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Refresh my memory please: what is your definition of Equity Realization? (How does it relate to EV and Equity (and pot size?) please?)
It's EV/EQ written as %.
For example:

The pot is 200$, the board is 972ss
-77 makes 500$ on average (EV)
-77 has 85% all-in equity on the flop

Equity realization is going to be 250%/85% = 2.94 = 294%
Or in written in dollars: 500$/170$ = 2.94 = 294%

You need to be a bit careful with units there but one way or the other it's always the same thing.
I think this is a standard definition. We show equity in % of the pot usually and EV in chips (other than range explorer where we show both in % of the pot to make it easier to compare).

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What accuracy percent do you think is a nice balance between time taken per run and stability of result (accuracy of hand order) for multi-flop runs to calculate pre-flop hand order and EVs?
That's a question I still don't have an answer to. I feel more flops less time per flop is in general better than fewer flops to very good accuracy but I haven't measured it (as it's not that easy) yet.
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10-12-2015 , 06:23 PM
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It's EV/EQ written as %.
For example:

The pot is 200$, the board is 972ss
-77 makes 500$ on average (EV)
-77 has 85% all-in equity on the flop
Should Pot in $ appear in header line of Hands EV report? I can't see it in youtube vid? (The formula is what I expected BTW but I was thrown by not finding potsize to validate expected formula).
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10-13-2015 , 03:32 AM
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Should Pot in $ appear in header line of Hands EV report?
It should, thanks for pointing that out.
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10-14-2015 , 01:40 AM
Trying to activate the program by opening PioViwer but the activation slot never pops out then I get this message, "Failed to connect: Failed to start PioSolver. Application output: Enter your activation key". I clicked OK then Pioview shows up but it still says Failed to connect at the bottom.
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10-14-2015 , 03:40 AM
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Trying to activate the program by opening PioViwer but the activation slot never pops out then I get this message, "Failed to connect: Failed to start PioSolver. Application output: Enter your activation key". I clicked OK then Pioview shows up but it still says Failed to connect at the bottom.
Free version or commercial one? In any case please contact the support with some details (support@piosolver.com)

There are many things which may cause that, the most likely one being that PioViewer.exe somehow ended up in a different folder than the solver and can't find it.
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10-14-2015 , 08:47 AM
Hi!First thanks for your work, really awesome update,
few quick questions,

When i run script using microsaves(only flops) the flops results should be exactlly equal to same tree but full no? i mean Pio dont assume the hand finish on flop right?

Now that pio can calculate the Equity Realizations% i am kind of lost how i can get good results , because it all depends to the preflop range i put no?

I mean if i want build Preflop gto ranges i need the Equity Realizations% for do it,

But for know the Equity Realizations% i need the preflop GTO ranges no?

Am i wrong?

thanks
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10-14-2015 , 10:14 AM
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When i run script using microsaves(only flops) the flops results should be exactlly equal to same tree but full no? i mean Pio dont assume the hand finish on flop right?
Yes, the way it works EVs are calculated for the whole tree then cached. That's why the EVs in a micro save (or a small save) are the same as the ones in a full save.

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I mean if i want build Preflop gto ranges i need the Equity Realizations% for do it,

But for know the Equity Realizations% i need the preflop GTO ranges no?

Am i wrong?
First assumption is wrong. Equtiy realization won't help you achieve GTO ranges in any way.
I know some people tried to approximate them assuming equity realization is constant regardless of ranges but this is wrong way to go about it and is not useful in practice.

My advice about equity realization: don't use it, the concept is a curiosity but is of no practical importance. The only potential use for equity realization is to approximate EV but you don't need that as you have EV anyway in PioSOLVER.

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But for know the Equity Realizations% i need the preflop GTO ranges no?
Yes, because equity realization depends on starting ranges and therefore ER derived on some ranges can't be used to approximate GTO ranges.
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10-14-2015 , 02:59 PM
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First assumption is wrong. Equtiy realization won't help you achieve GTO ranges in any way.
I know some people tried to approximate them assuming equity realization is constant regardless of ranges but this is wrong way to go about it and is not useful in practice.
You don't think this is useful for approximating pseudo-gto preflop ranges? I was considering making a simple preflop solver using equity realization for the different preflop actions but I'm not sure how the results would turn out. I guess equity realization depends greatly upon ranges being played which would make the results not so great.
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10-14-2015 , 04:10 PM
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You don't think this is useful for approximating pseudo-gto preflop ranges? I was considering making a simple preflop solver using equity realization for the different preflop actions but I'm not sure how the results would turn out.
Yes, I see it as a circular reasoning of sorts. You try to approximate equity realizations using some ranges and then you hope they hold up with different ranges but in fact they depends on ranges a lot. I believe solving games using that methodology is going to produce unreliable results.
I have to say that I haven't test it (because to test it you need to compare to the real preflop solution which we still don't have available) so my intuition although quite strong might be wrong.

It reminds me of attempts to estimate "value of position" per hand disregarding strength of the whole range. That was done in some highly publicized books and is of course completely wrong. For example in a 3bet pot an aggressor makes way more with their speculative hands than the defender because 3bet range is just so much stronger than defending one.
The problem with those things is that you are using something which mainly depends on ranges to approximate the ranges. It's just not going to work imo.
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