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04-04-2019 , 12:12 PM
https://prnt.sc/n7id4s
Hi, I am not able to run the PIO with all the capacity of my processor, as an example of the image, what possible terrain?


https://prnt.sc/n7ig8y
These are the PIO settings.
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04-04-2019 , 01:13 PM
Hi,

I run a sim and have difficulties to interpret the results below :

Facing 3 barrels on the board below, the solver suggests to call some K♣8♣ while the EV of the call is -4.40



And on the otherside, the solver proposes to fold some A9s while the EV of the call is positive (between +1.88 and +4.47) and the EV of the fold is 0.



I don't understand why don't we just call more A9s and fold the K♣8♣ ?
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04-04-2019 , 02:32 PM
Hi all. I just installed the solver. I am very lost. I would like to know how I can create trees for multiway pots? Thanks.
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04-04-2019 , 05:00 PM
can anyone tell me why real frequencies will not show up on my PIO-basic.
https://gyazo.com/979dfe8eb4200066ca9a332cd80b69c4
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04-04-2019 , 07:22 PM
"We have 2 ways to display strategies/EVs this way (with either smaller rectangles in the center or filling the bottom part) but not going sideways."
How to do it, where are these settings?
Thank you.
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04-05-2019 , 03:22 AM
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1. What does dead hands stand for? Do you mean we cannot see difference between 0 frequency of that hand and impossible hand (dead hand)?
I mean hands which are not possible because of cards on the board. Those are filtered out everywhere with the exception of root node (so you can see what the initial ranges are to use for a different flop for example).

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Sorry. I got an answer reading document.
show_hand_order provides this.
Yes, all the range related information the solver outputs is given in this format: 1326 numbers corresponding to combos always in the same order given by show_hand_order command.

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Hi, I am not able to run the PIO with all the capacity of my processor, as an example of the image, what possible terrain?
Usual reasons for it not using more are:

1)Energy saving settings (you need to turn them off, "balanced" is not good)
2)Some external antivirus which eats the resources
3)Cooling system not working correctly (when CPU overheats it throttles the performance to save itself)

Try checking those and see if that helps.

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Facing 3 barrels on the board below, the solver suggests to call some K♣8♣ while the EV of the call is -4.40
EV is calculated against the current solution which is not perfect. If you run the solver to better accuracy those EV differences will be smaller and smaller. At this point it's a safe bet that Kc8c is going to be a mixed call/fold in the equilibrium although exact % might change.

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I don't understand why don't we just call more A9s and fold the K♣8♣ ?
Because the opponent's strategy is changing all the time. If we just call A9s 100% now and Kc8c 100% it will have higher EV against current opponents strategy but the moment they adjust it won't be true anymore. The close to equilibrium the solver gets the smaller those EV differences are. It's important to realize we don't have a way to calculate EV against exact equilibrium (because we don't know it) only against current approximation. The better that approximation gets the more reliable EVs are.
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Hi all. I just installed the solver. I am very lost. I would like to know how I can create trees for multiway pots? Thanks.
Pio is HU solver which means it solves HU spots, like:
-SB vs BB
-steal with defined range vs BB
-steal vs 3bet both with defined ranges
etc.

Multiway pots are not possible to solve on current hardware without vast simplifications of the game. It might happen one day but it will be slow and require really powerful work stations.

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can anyone tell me why real frequencies will not show up on my PIO-basic.
https://gyazo.com/979dfe8eb4200066ca9a332cd80b69c4
Is it a small save? Is the solver working at this point or is it stopped?
Please describe what's happening in a bit more detail.

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"We have 2 ways to display strategies/EVs this way (with either smaller rectangles in the center or filling the bottom part) but not going sideways."
How to do it, where are these settings?
Tools->Configuration->Data presentation on 13x13 grid->proportional squares are shown as centered rectangles.
The option to change presentation in range selector is likely to be there in the future as well.
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04-05-2019 , 05:45 AM
This is a very st*pid question but when looking at the EV of a range and the EV of a combo I see a number, I.E: T6s 434.5 . That number is an expression of what? chips won from the pot? And what about if the pot is less than the EV number expressed? Lets say that in that example the total pot is 250 but the EV is still 434.5.

Thanks in advance
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04-05-2019 , 05:39 PM
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This is a very st*pid question but when looking at the EV of a range and the EV of a combo I see a number, I.E: T6s 434.5 . That number is an expression of what? chips won from the pot? And what about if the pot is less than the EV number expressed? Lets say that in that example the total pot is 250 but the EV is still 434.5.
The EV is given as number of chips the hand will win on average in comparison to a fold (which is 0) there is an option to edit how EV is shown btw, it's in Tools->Configration->data presentation - other

It's possible to get for example % of the pot or EV of the line instead of EV at current point. This is a bit of an advanced functionality so I don't recommend playing with it if you are just starting with the solver.
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04-06-2019 , 03:57 PM
Hi, Im trying to build a preflop tree, and when i click ''build tree'' it writes ''command add all flops not recognized''
what should i do?
thanks
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04-06-2019 , 06:45 PM
Is there a limitation on the max bet sizing?
In the basic version, on river, if I try to do multiple sizes with a 200% bet sizing or higher it just sets it to ALL-IN.
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04-07-2019 , 03:38 AM
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Hi, Im trying to build a preflop tree, and when i click ''build tree'' it writes ''command add all flops not recognized''
what should i do?
thanks
The preflop solver is only supported in the edge version and requires very powerful hardware to run (64+GB of RAM, fast modern CPU). You can build pure preflop trees in all the versions (without postflop play) but their usefullness is limited (although maybe some ICM push/fold spots are interesting).

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Is there a limitation on the max bet sizing?
10 actions per decision points max. No limitations when it comes to size of the bet.
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if I try to do multiple sizes with a 200% bet sizing or higher it just sets it to ALL-IN.
Check "all-in threshold" field. It's set to 67% by default which means that if more than 67& of the initial stack is invested after a given bet this bet is rounded to an all-in.
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04-07-2019 , 03:55 AM
If i want to use Contabo server I can connect via TeamViewer right? Is this a good option ?

I had EDGE version what do I need to prepare to connect the server to PIO. I am using both licenses on PC and on laptop.



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Originally Posted by punter11235


Pio is HU solver which means it solves HU spots, like:
-SB vs BB
-steal with defined range vs BB
-steal vs 3bet both with defined ranges
etc.

Multiway pots are not possible to solve on current hardware without vast simplifications of the game. It might happen one day but it will be slow and require really powerful work stations.
Can I calculate SB vs other positions?
BUTTON vs EP, MP, CO
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04-07-2019 , 11:18 PM
runouts aggregated frequencies analysis over multiple files .gives an error, how to do it right?
for this "runouts aggregated frequencies analysis" works without problems
https://gyazo.com/856ea0c491605f75bcba60e36ded60ea
https://gyazo.com/9f5883abb5389e3f31ac8167af34957b
https://gyazo.com/a08ca50d8856b3b061f94647c697a9dc
In the beginning, some time the reports did without problems"runouts aggregated frequencies analysis over multiple files"
There is somewhere instruction where the points are described how to do it. I watched all the videos available on YouTube on this topic?
saved tree ,that's what happened
https://gyazo.com/c7d5cb79c72c281d7ed4772397f54cd8

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04-08-2019 , 02:05 AM
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If i want to use Contabo server I can connect via TeamViewer right? Is this a good option ?
No idea how TeamViewer works. Standard way to connect to a server is built-in Windows Remote Desktop software.

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I had EDGE version what do I need to prepare to connect the server to PIO. I am using both licenses on PC and on laptop.
Well, you can use it on 2 computers so for the time you use it on a server you will need to deactivate it on one of the computers, it's not much of a problem though, it takes just a few seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozjfnatwms (question number 3)

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In the beginning, some time the reports did without problems"runouts aggregated frequencies analysis over multiple files"
There is somewhere instruction where the points are described how to do it. I watched all the videos available on YouTube on this topic?
You need to load one of the trees in the script, then navigate to the line you want to run the report in (if it's in root navigate to root), then run the report.
There also need to be a script file in the directory (if you haven't removed it it should save there automatically).
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04-08-2019 , 04:02 AM
I know there is an option to "change only betting structure" but would be nice if there was
a to "keep only betting structure" as well.
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04-08-2019 , 04:56 AM
I did everything as you described.
https://gyazo.com/f53dbcbc0c9f0f227e8b13aaccbbdb2c
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04-08-2019 , 05:01 AM
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I know there is an option to "change only betting structure" but would be nice if there was
a to "keep only betting structure" as well.
Noted, it's not possible now, you just need to make more configs.

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I did everything as you described.
https://gyazo.com/f53dbcbc0c9f0f227e8b13aaccbbdb2c
It looks like there is no script in save directory (it says so on the screenshot), can you send us a screenshot from the directory where all the files and the script are saved?
Preferably to support@piosolver.com
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04-08-2019 , 01:42 PM
I'm having issues with accuracy in single raised pots. My build is a Threadripper1950x with 64gb of RAM.

Most recently, I've been trying to simulate a 6s5d2c flop with 3 flop sizings, 4 turn sizings, 3 river sizings, and donking options on turn/river. 100bb BUvsBB so ranges are pretty wide. I've tried running the sim 3 times and each time it take a few hours to reach accuracy of exploitable for ~0.5-1.0% but then will start fluctuating drastically, eventually rising to anywhere between 5-15%. I usually set Pio to solve til accuracy of .25% pot is reached.

I was thinking of trying to reduce the number of sizing options?

Last edited by DiamondsOnMyNeck; 04-08-2019 at 01:47 PM.
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04-08-2019 , 05:16 PM
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Most recently, I've been trying to simulate a 6s5d2c flop with 3 flop sizings, 4 turn sizings, 3 river sizings, and donking options on turn/river. 100bb BUvsBB so ranges are pretty wide. I've tried running the sim 3 times and each time it take a few hours to reach accuracy of exploitable for ~0.5-1.0% but then will start fluctuating drastically, eventually rising to anywhere between 5-15%. I usually set Pio to solve til accuracy of .25% pot is reached.
It sometimes happen that the trees are difficult for the solver. Feel free to send the config to us (support@piosolver.com) but meanwhile you can do the following:

1)build tree
2)ctrl+b to bring up arbitrary solver command
3)type:
change_step 0.65
[hit enter]
4)run the solver

it will converge slower in the beginning but should reach required accuracy in the end. The defaults are set to be good in a general case but they sometimes fail on complicated trees.
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04-08-2019 , 08:23 PM
I created more trees, the result is this. https://gyazo.com/64f6ae2e787d34f29fa010bb3681956a
the more I create, the more I write that I still have to create.
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04-08-2019 , 08:49 PM
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I created more trees, the result is this. https://gyazo.com/64f6ae2e787d34f29fa010bb3681956a
the more I create, the more I write that I still have to create.
You have multiple scripts and mixed saves in the same folder. The report won't work because it's unable to say which trees should be included in the report and which weights from which scripts taken.
It's important to have one script and all the saves created from it in one folder. It will happen automatically when you choose an empty folder as a save location when creating a script.
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04-09-2019 , 12:14 AM
punter11235
Thanks for the help, everything worked out.Thank you for your help, everything turned out, I am very happy.
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04-09-2019 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
It sometimes happen that the trees are difficult for the solver. Feel free to send the config to us (support@piosolver.com) but meanwhile you can do the following:

1)build tree
2)ctrl+b to bring up arbitrary solver command
3)type:
change_step 0.65
[hit enter]
4)run the solver

it will converge slower in the beginning but should reach required accuracy in the end. The defaults are set to be good in a general case but they sometimes fail on complicated trees.
Thank you so much. Will try this out and if it doesn't work I'll email support. Really appreciate the super fast/always on point support you offer here!
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