I am sorry there is a minimum size and it's likely not possible to change at this point.

Yes, this is a good idea. Strategies for those hands will mostly be pure and close to MES (as changing them doesn't change much for the opponent) but you will get reliable EVs. Just remember that they will be reliable assuming you play those hands every once in a while. If you start playing significant amount of them and they start influencing your range you will need to recalc to again get reliable results.

Would it be possible for you to send us one of those trees to support@piosolver.com?

Isn't there any program or windows setting where I can make the Pioviewer window smaller? I did try a program called ''sizer'' but the pio window still refused to get any smaller. Im curious to why this small of a issue(atleast in my view) seems so difficult to overcome. As it is now im using the pioviewer on my bigger screen which makes the window way to big when I want it to have the same size when I drag over the viewer from a smaller monitor to a bigger one.
There must be some way to solve this right?

Also I did a aggregation report over 25 flops which turned out more or less reasonable so I decided to do the same calculations over 120 flops. Now on the aggregation report for the latter one Ev's for OOP stayed relatively the same but results for IP seemed to get way out of reasonable with like every IP Hand gaining 15-25% more EV compared to 25 flops. Also on the report of 25 flops it showed expected results like KK more ev than QQ and QQ more ev than JJ. But for the 120 flop report 66 had more ev than QQ and 66 had a 180% ev gain for 120 flops compared to 25 flop report. All I changed for the solver was removing donk bets for OOP because it would solve the script much faster and donk bets didnt seem to impact total Ev's in any significant way so I dont think this can be the problem. Do you have any idea what could be underlying problem here? I can provide the tree solutions and excel numbers also if it would be necessary.

I really don't know. I will ask if it's possible to make minimum size to be optional I am not sure if it is though.

The problem is that minimum size is a very useful feature. Without it the window is often too small, not all things are visible and it get people confused.
We will not get rid of minimum size but maybe it's possible to make it optional.

It's not possible for EV of one player to stay the same and for the other to be vastly different. EVs must add up to pot.
A quick list of things to check:

1)Are trees from a new 120 flops script in a separate folder, not mixed with previous ones?
2)Are weights displayed when you are running the report? Are they the same as in the subset you have used (this should be the case unless you have more than one script in the same folder).

Please check two things above first. In general it's too time consuming to analyze specific cases like that. There is almost surely some confusion when setting things up so let's try to find out about it first.

Was a slopy mistake on my end. I appparently did the report on a node that wasn't the flop(I was unaware that you could do agg-reports for specific nodes until now). This was obviously the reason why the EV's didn tadd up to the size of the pot.

Yeah it's easy to assume the reports only make sense in root node if all you are using them for are EVs for preflop play but there are use cases like looking at turn c-bet percentage across many boards or c-bet defense etc. for which you need to run the report in a different node to get strategies/EVs there.

Punter,

first thanks for all of the support of such a complicated program.

am having trouble getting PIO to run scripts all of a sudden. The script starts correctly, but randomly turns itself off. I can restart it, and it will begin where it left off, but then randomly shuts down. Sometimes it goes for an hour or so, sometimes, longer, but just now, it started shutting down after only a few minutes? Any ideas?

I checked temp, and CPU is about 60 Celcius, no other programs running except temp monitor and a few application windows up. Not using the computer at all for anything else except script.

which

The most common reason for it is Windows "feature" which causes a console program to stop when you click on black console window. This is often done by accident. Such a program can be restarted by clicking on the window again (try marking something there or right click as well).
You can verify if that's what is happening by going to task manager and looking at CPU usage of Pio. If it goes to 0 all of sudden you probably just accidentally stopped the script by clicking on the console window.

Ran the script, and it restarted at 766 of 1755. It ran one solve, and then it was starting to begin again, but stopped, and the console closed.

I closed PIO, restarted the computer, closed the other programs that were open, (had a few excel files and computer folders open), but no applications running except for PIO.

I started the script again, it began at 767, and has been running for hours....

Very strange...

but thank you for the quick response. Will let you know if and when it stops again before the finish.

Tanks Piotr,

Which

This is worrying as it looks like it either crashed or couldn't build another tree due to memory limitations. If you are running scripts with trees big enough to be close to installed RAM make sure to check this when generating a script:

https://gyazo.com/4d87dc2bdb486c568ca87c37c19eb7ae

If it happens again and there is any kind of error message or the console is still there it would be very useful for us to get a screenshot.

I have a question about exploitability/accuracy of a solution when it's generated from a script and that script times out instead reaching desired accuracy.

Is the exploitability of that sim just what was listed from the last loop or is it possibly better than that?

Here is an example below. The script is set to run for 1000 seconds but the last check for exploitability was at ~789 seconds where exploitability was 0.98. So the solver ran another 211 seconds. Is it safe to assume that the final exploitability is LESS THAN 0.98?

"SOLVER:
running time: 788.766
EV OOP: 114.158
EV IP: 64.842
OOP's MES: 115.283
IP's MES: 65.674
Exploitable for: 0.978
END
SOLVER: stopped (timeout reached)"

Punter

Never had any error message, the console would just close and allow me to get into PIO Tools and reload script, and start again.

Will check the box as you suggested, but had 64GB Ram in this computer, (although it is a tree with lots of bet size options) and did not think of running out of memory. The script I resumed after restarting the computer is still running as if nothing had ever gone wrong.

Computer seem to be as fickle as women, go figure....

It's usually a bit better than that.
When you load a tree generated by a script you will see the exact accuracy as it's calculated before the save is made.

It's not guaranteed but it's pretty safe to assume.

Well, it's very hard to say anything right now. When programs crash they usually produce some kind of error message. If that keeps happening we may try to investigate but it's good to hear it works for now.

I have a question about pioviewer plugins.
"""
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...lorer-and-more
6)Plugin infrastructure (link is not working)
"""
Is it possible to use plugin in pioViewer? or, it's no longer plugins available?

Thank you!

We gave it up as it wasn't very popular and maintaining it was costly with all the changes to the GUI. That being said please drop us an email to support@piosolver.com and I will forward it to PioViewer developer. There may still be some limited possibilities depending on what you want to do.

For example starting pot is 188 in PIO sim on the flop. OOP checks, IP bets 66.

Now OOP strategy shows that if we XR to 200, EV for some specific hand (lets say its QJdd) is +10.5

What is formula to get EV per 100 for a XR for QJdd out of these numbers?

Hi i have a question. Can i solve preflop with piosolver basic?

hello all,

I just purchased Pio Basic and I have issue to start it.

It runs ok with Pio Free.
I could activate properly the license Key.
I installed and reinstalled several Pio Basic in a dedicated folder. There is no error message.
When I try to launch PioViewer.exe, it fails without providing any message.

When I ask Windows to open the details part, I have these infos but I can't do anything with them:
Event : CLR20r3
Signature du problème 01: PioViewer.exe
Signature du problème 02: 1.10.22.0
Signature du problème 03: 5c45827c
Signature du problème 04: PioViewer
Signature du problème 05: 1.10.22.0
Signature du problème 06: 5c45827c
Signature du problème 07: 11d4
Signature du problème 08: 5a
Signature du problème 09: N3CTRYE2KN3C34SGL4ZQYRBFTE4M13NB
Version du système: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.4
Identificateur de paramètres régionaux: 1036
Information supplémentaire n°*1: b98b
Information supplémentaire n°*2: b98b76546c21c2d5b9e4cf5569f69213
Information supplémentaire n°*3: 8b71
Information supplémentaire n°*4: 8b712245f222757ea886840f20cb0223

EV given by PioViewer is always in relation to fold which always has EV of 0. In other words it's EV at this point (and not for the whole line).
If you want to convert chips to bb/100 just use simple arithmetic. For example assuming 5/10 blinds and +10.5 chips per hand it's:

1)10.5 chips is 1.05 blind
2)1.05 blind per hand is 105 blinds per 100 hands

I am not sure why would you want to do that though. It makes sense to compare EVs of actions and maybe convert to bb/100 but knowing that for example top pair wins 150bb/100hands doesn't sound like useful piece of information.

Only an edge version supports preflop solver. The reason is that it requires very big hardware (at least 64GB of RAM and a fast modern CPU) and is therefore a niche product.
You can read preflop saves with basic version though, for example ones we make available for free from PioCloud project:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/piosolver-1-10-13

You can also solve pure preflop trees (assuming check-down postflop).

It looks like Net Framework needs updating to 4.7.2 version. You can find it on Microsoft's website, here:
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/downloa...runtime/net472

Problem solved: it required an update of the .Net framework.

I suggest to PIO's team to enhance the logs and include a pre-requesite software list on the installation guide

Hi there,

Im having an issue running an aggregated report over multiple files, "The given board is specified with two different weights in the scripts".

This is only my second script/report, and I just read now that I need to move the second script to a second folder. Do I simply just make a new folder for the second script, and leave the saved hands in the saves folder?

Thanks

Yeah, the problem is annoying. We will try to do something about it but sadly we already made an attempt in the past and it failed.

Yes, it's important to keep a script and saves created from it in a separate folder otherwise PioViewer has now way of knowing which files come from which script.

I have PioSolver Basic. As indicated in the FAQ, deactivated using the Run Arbitrary Command function on one machine (using Parallels for Mac) and am attempting to reactivate on a new machine (a VPS with Windows 2016 Server edition).

When I enter my product registration key on the new machine, I get the following error message:

Failed to connect: ERROR Code 1c:
T_A_Enable_Network_Adapters
Activation Failed.


I have tried going both the Solver-->Connect route, as well as opening the PioSolver-Basic exe. I tried two days ago after deactivating, and again today.

Please advise.

I've answered your email. This is a quirk of our licensing system which usually goes away after following the steps I desribed in the email (updating Windows, making sure there are not blocked/defective network adapters or sometimes running it as admin).

Is it possible to run a script for a node locked spot? So say blind vs bling I want to force OOP check but not IP bet which is the option in the preflop configuration section. Could I run a sim on a single tree, node lock this tree to force OOP check, and then run a script on multiple flops with this node being locked?

if your goal is to run a tree without some options it's always possible to make in a treebuilding tab and node-locking is not needed.
In your case if you want to force OOP to check just leave bet sizing for OOP field blank and they will be forced to check.
You can build any tree you want but some of them (for example forcing a player to bet and another player to raise) require playing with add/remove line feature. Your case is simple enough though that standard options are enough.