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01-12-2019 , 12:13 PM
When running bigger trees in via scripting I want the scripting engine to save periodically. Is the best way to do this:

go [multiple of 25] steps
dump_tree

go [multiple of 25] steps
dump_tree

...

Repeating as many times as needed. Then, will it stop running once set_accuracy is reached, or the last go command is exhuasted?

Thanks!
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01-13-2019 , 06:29 AM
in the range explorer I noticed in the ev/eq section it has 'equity realization'. How exactly is this calculated? And is there a way to view the equity realization of certain hands, or only for the entire range?
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01-13-2019 , 09:49 PM
would be great if in the runout hotness/explorer we could choose a combo, (hero cards) and see how it is played in all runouts.
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01-14-2019 , 04:16 AM
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Is there a way to copy and paste into node locker with out having the issue in the screen shots?

For example copying and pasting the full turn starting range. Looking at the AQ hand, I can have 75% of AQo combos, when I copy and paste it seams to be allowing me only 75%*75% of the combos =.5625, Is there a way to keep at 75% when I copy and paste?
You lock strategies not ranges (locking ranges doesn't make sense mathematically as it's not guaranteed you a player can even have that range at the decision point). Try copy-pasting strategies instead. Click "strategy" or "strategy+ev" button then right click, choose strategy to copy and paste it to node-locked. Let me know if that works.

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When running bigger trees in via scripting I want the scripting engine to save periodically. Is the best way to do this:

go [multiple of 25] steps
dump_tree

go [multiple of 25] steps
dump_tree

...

Repeating as many times as needed. Then, will it stop running once set_accuracy is reached, or the last go command is exhuasted?

Thanks!
You can do that but you will need to choose different file names for dump_tree every time unless you want them to be overwritten. If those are full saves it will also take a lot of time to make a save which will prolong solving significantly.
Why do you want to do that btw?

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in the range explorer I noticed in the ev/eq section it has 'equity realization'. How exactly is this calculated? And is there a way to view the equity realization of certain hands, or only for the entire range?
When you choose that option in the radio-button (ev/eq) you will see equity realization for all the combos the same way you can see EV or EQ. Equity realization is calculated as EV divided by EQ. EQ is all-in equity.

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would be great if in the runout hotness/explorer we could choose a combo, (hero cards) and see how it is played in all runouts.
Yes, this will be available.
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01-14-2019 , 08:18 PM
Hello,

I used my PIO Solver PRO key for my 2nd computer but then my motherboard died, the windows got re-installed and now I get "the product key has already been activated with the maximum number of computers" message even though it's the same computer. What should I do about this? Thank you.
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01-15-2019 , 03:12 AM
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I used my PIO Solver PRO key for my 2nd computer but then my motherboard died, the windows got re-installed and now I get "the product key has already been activated with the maximum number of computers" message even though it's the same computer. What should I do about this? Thank you.
That happens as our licensing is based on hardware fingerprint.
Just sent an email to support@piosolver.com including your license key and we will reset it for you.
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01-15-2019 , 10:24 AM
Hello,

Is possible to run Jesolver PRO on the VPS?
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01-15-2019 , 03:27 PM
I upgraded to PIO pro from basic less than a year ago, I got my license but I can only use it on one computer.
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01-15-2019 , 05:55 PM
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Is possible to run Jesolver PRO on the VPS?
I am not sure. It's the best to email Oskari and ask him.

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I upgraded to PIO pro from basic less than a year ago, I got my license but I can only use it on one computer.
Please send us an email including your key to support@piosolver.com
A screenshot from the error message you are getting on 2nd computer is going to be useful as well.
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01-16-2019 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
When you choose that option in the radio-button (ev/eq) you will see equity realization for all the combos the same way you can see EV or EQ. Equity realization is calculated as EV divided by EQ. EQ is all-in equity.
aah okay I see now. How does dividing EV by EQ tell you about equity realization? And How exactly can you use equity realization?

If your hand has say 70% equity realization, what does this tell you? If it is over 100 does that mean you "over-realize" equity?

Sorry for all the questions I'm trying to better understand this.
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01-16-2019 , 07:03 AM
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aah okay I see now. How does dividing EV by EQ tell you about equity realization? And How exactly can you use equity realization?
EV/EQ is the definition of equity realization.
If your all-in equity is say 25% of the pot and your EV when both sides follow optimal play is 15% of the pot then equity realization is 15/25 = 0.6 = 60%.
This means this specific hand wins less than it would if it was all-in or you can say it plays "badly" postflop. If a hand has equity realization higher than 100% it means it wins more due to betting and "plays well".

As to how you can use it: it's not really that clear. We included equity realization in the results because it used be a popular way to estimate preflop strategy before solvers were a thing. The method wasn't very precise nor mathematically sound so it's best not to go down that way. On the other hand it might be useful to get some intuition about which hands expect to gain from betting and which expect to lose.
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01-16-2019 , 02:50 PM
is this better than simple flop?
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01-16-2019 , 06:22 PM
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is this better than simple flop?
Not the best place to ask for impartial opinion.
I recommend you google and ask around what fellow poker players think.
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01-17-2019 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
EV/EQ is the definition of equity realization.
If your all-in equity is say 25% of the pot and your EV when both sides follow optimal play is 15% of the pot then equity realization is 15/25 = 0.6 = 60%.
This means this specific hand wins less than it would if it was all-in or you can say it plays "badly" postflop. If a hand has equity realization higher than 100% it means it wins more due to betting and "plays well".

As to how you can use it: it's not really that clear. We included equity realization in the results because it used be a popular way to estimate preflop strategy before solvers were a thing. The method wasn't very precise nor mathematically sound so it's best not to go down that way. On the other hand it might be useful to get some intuition about which hands expect to gain from betting and which expect to lose.
Ah I see, great thank you for the reply I think I've got it. So one last question, you mentioned that EVs in pio are based on the strategy correct? So this is why a certain hand might have, say, an EV of 65 in a pot of just 55?
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01-17-2019 , 04:05 AM
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Ah I see, great thank you for the reply I think I've got it. So one last question, you mentioned that EVs in pio are based on the strategy correct? So this is why a certain hand might have, say, an EV of 65 in a pot of just 55?
Yes, EV is calculated assuming both players follow the solution to the end of the hand. By "EQ" we mean all-in equity (% of the pot a hand would win if it was checked-down).
EV for particular hands may in fact be higher than pot and it's usually the case for strong hands (in exchange weaker hands usually have lower EV than EQ).
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01-17-2019 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
Yes, EV is calculated assuming both players follow the solution to the end of the hand. By "EQ" we mean all-in equity (% of the pot a hand would win if it was checked-down).
EV for particular hands may in fact be higher than pot and it's usually the case for strong hands (in exchange weaker hands usually have lower EV than EQ).
awesome, got it, thanks for the info.
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01-17-2019 , 08:42 AM
Hey guys, I am new to the software and I think I got a simply question but I didnt find answer for it on google.

How do I copy a range from the range explorer to anywhere else? When I "ctrl+c" it copies with the frequencies as wells which messes for other softwares. I wanna be able to copy it and place it on holdeq, or flopzilla, etc.
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01-17-2019 , 10:34 AM
Hey guys,

Apologies if these are questions that have been asked before, but couldn't see any obvious answers from searching the thread.


1) Im running scripts using PioPro on a cloud server and discovering quite noticeable discrepancies in solve accuracy between different flop sims within the script. Some are solved at the requested 0.33% accuracies, some at 1-2% some at 7% some even more. This is with a solve accuracy of 0.33% set and a timeout of 2000 seconds.

Has anyone else experienced this before or have pointers as to how to fix it? Similarly if I go into the individual trees that are solved to a horrible accuracy and re-run them independently, the solve % keeps jumping around slowly going from large to small % then suddenly jumps back up to a large % again before coming down and jumping back up again.

I haven't really experienced this much before and have been using Pio for a couple months without experiencing this.


2) When using the flop subsets, are the weightings (example QsQdJc:56.75) only needed for preflop? Would it make a difference changing this weighting number for postflop only? Would it make any difference on performance too?


Any advice much appreciated!
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01-17-2019 , 11:38 AM
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How do I copy a range from the range explorer to anywhere else? When I "ctrl+c" it copies with the frequencies as wells which messes for other softwares. I wanna be able to copy it and place it on holdeq, or flopzilla, etc.
Weights are important part of the range. Copy-pasting without them wouldn't be very useful as that would be a completely different range.
You can copy-paste a lot of things, other than ctrl+c in the range selector there is right click on 13x13 area when displaying the results where you can choose to copy-paste strategy/EV/range.
The reason you can't paste to the programs you mentioned is likely that they accept a completely different format than ours. We made an effort to accept other popular formats so it will work the other way around.

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1) Im running scripts using PioPro on a cloud server and discovering quite noticeable discrepancies in solve accuracy between different flop sims within the script. Some are solved at the requested 0.33% accuracies, some at 1-2% some at 7% some even more. This is with a solve accuracy of 0.33% set and a timeout of 2000 seconds.
Those are likely big trees or ones especially difficult for the solver. They probably hit the timeout before the required accuracy.

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Similarly if I go into the individual trees that are solved to a horrible accuracy and re-run them independently, the solve % keeps jumping around slowly going from large to small % then suddenly jumps back up to a large % again before coming down and jumping back up again.
This happens on certain trees, factors that make it more difficult for the solver:
1)paired boards
2)small initial ranges
3)big overbets in the tree

Feel free to send us (support@piosolver.com) one of those difficult configs and I will take a look if it's possible to mitigate.

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2) When using the flop subsets, are the weightings (example QsQdJc:56.75) only needed for preflop? Would it make a difference changing this weighting number for postflop only? Would it make any difference on performance too?
Weighting is used for preflop solving and multifile aggregation reports. It doesn't influence postflop results.
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01-19-2019 , 11:53 AM
Hello,
I had to reinstall Windows. How do I reinstall Piosolver knowing that I no longer know my activation license. I have Piosolver pro.
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01-20-2019 , 12:35 AM
Hello do I have a problem or its normaln. I try to open a big postflop tree
6GB size - full tree
around 10-12k RAM to solve

I have a folder with saved tree when i try to open i wait forabout 60-70seconds to load the tree? Thats too much right? It need to happen in like 5secs?

I have 8700k, 32GB RAM, 4TB HDD where i store tree. Solver is installed on SSD
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01-20-2019 , 05:52 AM
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I had to reinstall Windows. How do I reinstall Piosolver knowing that I no longer know my activation license. I have Piosolver pro.
Please send us an email to support@piosolver.com including your license key and we will reset it for you.

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I try to open a big postflop tree
6GB size - full tree
around 10-12k RAM to solve
If it's a full save it should take about as much on disc as it takes in RAM.

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I have a folder with saved tree when i try to open i wait forabout 60-70seconds to load the tree? Thats too much right? It need to happen in like 5secs?
Yes, loading full trees is very slow, especially if you don't have SSD and a lot of free RAM. It's recommended to make small saves and not full ones for that reason. Rivers are recalculated on the fly when you browse and loading small trees is more or less instant.

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I have 8700k, 32GB RAM, 4TB HDD where i store tree. Solver is installed on SSD
For loading time it only matters where the tree is stored but still, allocations take a lot of time as well in current implementation (I plan to work on speeding it up in near future). For most purposes small trees should solve your problem though.
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01-22-2019 , 02:08 AM
Is it possible to change shortcut keys? For example if i want to change ''set strategy and lock node'' key from ctrl+N to ctrl+K. Is there any settings for this?
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01-22-2019 , 02:50 AM
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Before I answer this it seems something doesn't check out. You wrote you lock UTG to have no raises so I presume you have chose some check-calling and some check-folding range. Then you say IP cbets 100% instead of checking most of the time which doesn't seem to be very realistic unless IPs range is very weak. Then you show a screenshot of OOP decision (not IP) which checks all 95%+ of hands but you say you start checking and not them.

It looks to me like you confused players on the turn so please to re-read it and let me know what the problem is.
OOP range is JJ,TT,99,88,77,66,55,AQ,AJs,ATs,KQs,QJs,JTs,T9s,87 s:0.1,76s:0.1,65s:0.15,54s:0.2

IP range is AA,KK,QQ,JJ:0.8,TT:0.7,AK,AQs,AJs,ATs,A5s,A4s,A3s, A2s,KQs,KQo:0.15,KJs:0.15,KTs:0.15,QJs:0.15,QTs:0. 15,JTs:0.15,T9s:0.15,87s,76s,65s,54s

I went to node locking and put none for the 3 raise sizes that I have. Then clicked fixed and left call/fold as proportional to split between call/fold only.

I thought my screenshot is showing IP? in first screenshot OOP x/c flop, x turn then IP has decision.



1st is with node locking and 2nd is without

Thanks for helping
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01-22-2019 , 03:30 AM
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I thought my screenshot is showing IP? in first screenshot OOP x/c flop, x turn then IP has decision.
It says right there in top left corner "OOP decision".
I am sorry I am somehow confused about what you are trying to do and what is wrong. I can't connect screenshots to the description of the problem.
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