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12-12-2018 , 12:53 AM
Is it possible to make future street bet sizing depedant on past street bet sizing? Like if I have two flop sizings 1/3 and 3/4, if the flop bet was 1/3, the turn bet will be 3/4, if the flop bet was 3/4 the turn bet will be 1/2?
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12-12-2018 , 02:32 AM
Hey guys.

Thanks for helping me out with my past issue.
Now I have a new question (and maybe a request for a feature )

What I want to do:

After nodelocking the Flop for a certain simplification / strategy I want to cut the tree and let it begin at the turn. At the Turn I have multiple betsizes now but want to simplify my strategy to one betsize, but depending on the Turn.

For that I want to compare all Turns with only one Betsize and the EV with each other. For this case I have run a script and have it started at the Turn with the given Ranges from the Flop. After my script is done, I wanted to make an Aggregated report over multiple files.

Now it is saying me that this is only possible for Trees starting at the Flop. Is there any reason for this? How can I avoid this and compare results/EV without having to open Solve by solve?

Maybe you could implement that feature for trees that start beyond the Flop as well so I can compare the EVs in sheets.

Thanks for helping me out!
Best wishes
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12-12-2018 , 04:15 AM
I have figure out a solution:

Nodelock or not nodelock the Flopreaction, go to any Turncard, cut the tree, copy the build tree selection without the Turncard and paste it with the required Turnsizings but without Flopaction or the Turncard in a newly built tree.

It's even more convenient since I have all Turncards with one solve now. Weird that we cannot look into multiaggregational reports when there is not Flop tho, I am curious to here why this is (and if it is intentionally)

Cheers
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12-12-2018 , 05:48 AM
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Is it possible to make future street bet sizing depedant on past street bet sizing? Like if I have two flop sizings 1/3 and 3/4, if the flop bet was 1/3, the turn bet will be 3/4, if the flop bet was 3/4 the turn bet will be 1/2?
It's not possible but using add/remove line you can construct any tree. The easiest way is to do the config for both and then remove lines you don't want.
See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGpcZavxeQ (point number 1, see the video description)

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After nodelocking the Flop for a certain simplification / strategy I want to cut the tree and let it begin at the turn. At the Turn I have multiple betsizes now but want to simplify my strategy to one betsize, but depending on the Turn.
You can do that by using Tree->Create subtree configuration feature. First navigate to flop exit then use it and a config from the turn will appear in treebuilding tab. You can use it to build a new tree. This config will contain ranges on the turn already which makes it convenient.

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For this case I have run a script and have it started at the Turn with the given Ranges from the Flop. After my script is done, I wanted to make an Aggregated report over multiple files.
What kind of script? Are those trees starting from a flop or turn?
Reports over multiple files don't work on the turn. It's something we didn't implement.

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w. Weird that we cannot look into multiaggregational reports when there is not Flop tho, I am curious to here why this is (and if it is intentionally)
It's just a very rare usecase. No one ever asked for it
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12-13-2018 , 12:08 AM
I ran a script with small saves.

When i click on Strategy EV on some of the sims it doesnt show ev of offsuit hands but shows EV of suited hands.

Any reasons for this?
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12-13-2018 , 04:59 AM
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When i click on Strategy EV on some of the sims it doesnt show ev of offsuit hands but shows EV of suited hands.

Any reasons for this?
This sounds really strange. Is it the newest version? (1.10.21 at this point for the viewer, 1.10.19 for the solver) or at least reasonably new one?
If you have a script and one of those saves it would be very useful if you could send those to us at support@piosolver.com
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12-14-2018 , 05:50 AM
I'm trying to figure out how to calculate aggregated EV difference (with flop weights taking into account) after simplifying strategies.

The thing is I solved a bunch of flops, ran aggregated report over multiple files and got the EV.
Then I simplified these solutions one way ot another.

But now I can't run the report over my simplified trees because they are not identical any more.
Could you please help me to achieve this? Thanks in advance.

Last edited by Novembersdoom; 12-14-2018 at 06:00 AM.
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12-15-2018 , 05:31 AM
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I'm trying to figure out how to calculate aggregated EV difference (with flop weights taking into account) after simplifying strategies.

The thing is I solved a bunch of flops, ran aggregated report over multiple files and got the EV.
Then I simplified these solutions one way ot another.

But now I can't run the report over my simplified trees because they are not identical any more.
Could you please help me to achieve this? Thanks in advance.
I am not sure what you mean by "simplifying strategies". If you remove branches from the tree then it will no longer be possible to run an aggregated report (because for that to be possible every tree in the report needs to have a given branch to aggregate from).

What do you want to achieve? Aggregated report on trees which are not the same just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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12-15-2018 , 06:32 AM
Hi punter I want to upgrade from basic to pro. What's the best way to do this?
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12-15-2018 , 06:42 AM
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Hi punter I want to upgrade from basic to pro. What's the best way to do this?
The upgrade is listed here:
https://piosolver.myshopify.com/prod...to-pro-upgrade
Please either use the same email as before or let us know which license should be upgraded after the transaction is done.
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12-15-2018 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
What do you want to achieve? Aggregated report on trees which are not the same just doesn't make a lot of sense.
I just want to compare two scenarios:
1) overall EV in root if I play initial strategy of the solved subset of flops;
2) overall EV in root after some of the solutions were simplified (generally in which rarely used branches were removed).

Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see why it could be incorrect to compare EV in root between two solutions with the same ranges, board texture, but slightly different set of actions.

I want to achieve exactly this but across the given flop subset and with taking flop weights into account.
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12-15-2018 , 03:59 PM
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I just want to compare two scenarios:
1) overall EV in root if I play initial strategy of the solved subset of flops;
2) overall EV in root after some of the solutions were simplified (generally in which rarely used branches were removed).
You can run one report for original trees then another for simplified ones and compare the EVs in those reports.
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12-16-2018 , 01:31 AM
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You can run one report for original trees then another for simplified ones and compare the EVs in those reports.
The problem is simplified ones are not identical among themselves (rarely used and insignificant branches depend on board texture) so I can't run the report, I get the error.
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12-16-2018 , 05:39 AM
Hi punter11235,

if i compare the ev of two sizing and i have for example an ev of 37,4448 and an ev of 37,4636. What does this EV difference mean in blind / 100 hand ?
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12-16-2018 , 05:51 AM
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The problem is simplified ones are not identical among themselves (rarely used and insignificant branches depend on board texture) so I can't run the report, I get the error.
Can you send us the exact error you are getting to support@piosolver.com?
Are you using the newest version (it should be 1.10.21 for the viewer).
I think you should be able to run those in root although I need to ask. A screenshot from exact error message will be useful.

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if i compare the ev of two sizing and i have for example an ev of 37,4448 and an ev of 37,4636. What does this EV difference mean in blind / 100 hand ?
Fir remember that only comparison in root (beginning of the tree) is meaningful. Comparing EV between trees at any other point or comparing EV of actions in the same tree is meaningless because different ranges might make it to this point. For example EV of a bet is almost always higher than EV of a check because betting range is stronger than checking range.

As to conversion to bb/100 you first need to convert to bb and then multiply by 100.
In your example: abs(37.4448 - 37.4636) = 0.0188 chips. Assuming 5/10 blinds it's 0.00188bb which is 0.188bb/100.
This is just simple arithmetic, no tricks there.
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12-16-2018 , 08:06 AM
hello. i need help with instaling pio solver. i reinstalled my computer and dl link on my address doesnt work anymore. how do i instal my basic pio solver now? Ty
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12-16-2018 , 10:14 AM
hi, i also need to move pio to another computer.

from what i read in the faqs, i need to run the command "deactivate" on the old pc first
but what do i do afterwards?
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12-16-2018 , 05:03 PM
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hello. i need help with instaling pio solver. i reinstalled my computer and dl link on my address doesnt work anymore. how do i instal my basic pio solver now? Ty
You need a new installer/updater from here:
https://piofiles.com/download/Updater/PioUpdater.exe

This is because we've changed the whole distribution system (personal links are no longer needed).

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from what i read in the faqs, i need to run the command "deactivate" on the old pc first
but what do i do afterwards?
Either install it on the new computer (link above) or just copy-paste the whole Pio folder to your new machine so you keep ranges/treebuilding configs etc.
It will ask for the key when you try to run it.
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12-16-2018 , 07:21 PM
hello. I have installed piosolver pro but have problems with running it. Pioviewer won't start. I have downloaded .NET Framework 4.5.2 and the software still doesnt respond. What could be another reason? Any solutions?
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12-16-2018 , 09:10 PM
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12-17-2018 , 03:46 AM
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hello. I have installed piosolver pro but have problems with running it. Pioviewer won't start. I have downloaded .NET Framework 4.5.2 and the software still doesnt respond. What could be another reason? Any solutions?
I am sorry, the information on the website is out of date. We recently started using some new features and 4.7.2 of Net Framework is needed. You can get it from Microsoft's website:

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/downloa...mework-runtime

I think it's automatically updated with Windows updates so it's a good idea to run those as well.
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12-17-2018 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
This sounds really strange. Is it the newest version? (1.10.21 at this point for the viewer, 1.10.19 for the solver) or at least reasonably new one?
If you have a script and one of those saves it would be very useful if you could send those to us at support@piosolver.com

Just figured out, i needed to resize my PIO window. there were 5 different sizings and not enough room for numbers to be seen for offsuit hands.
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12-17-2018 , 10:33 AM
Any chance on building a program similar to simple gto trainer?
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12-17-2018 , 10:49 AM
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Any chance on building a program similar to simple gto trainer?
I am not sure what that does exactly but the idea of having a trainer program is on our list for a long time. In fact we had that in our decision tree software from 2008-2009. We think there are some things in current engine which need to be fixed to make it as good as it could be. Those are now resolved in dev so it's likely to happen in the future.
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12-17-2018 , 06:29 PM
Do you still recommend people contact you before buying edge? How to contact if so?
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