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Old 11-20-2018, 02:23 AM   #4626
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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My budget is $2000 - $3000 . Yes i plan on upgrading to edge. I saw the discord hardware section as well but got confused since i felt most of the people are assembling it only. Given i'm beginner at assembling(have used imac all my life) , wasn't sure what my question should be, so i posted on the general forum first? Is there any ready to go system at this price range or do i have to assemble it only. I plan to run scripts as well. So i guess i would be needing as much as ram as possible in my budget.

There’s a ton of websites that will assemble and ship it to you that are running Black Friday sales. The discord user BetStack posted some computers he built with complete component list. I used that as a guideline and made some adjustments bc of sales. Once you have what you want picked out I’d recommend posting it in the hardware channel for feedback before you buy it along with what you plan on using it for. Might get some knowledgeable people to critique it and point out where you may be under/over spending for your particular use case.
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Old 11-20-2018, 06:24 AM   #4627
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My budget is $2000 - $3000 . Yes i plan on upgrading to edge. I saw the discord hardware section as well but got confused since i felt most of the people are assembling it only. Given i'm beginner at assembling(have used imac all my life)
You can get a really nice setup for that price if you look around. Looking for shops that assembly computers for you is a good idea. Buying pre-made PCs is always way more expensive. You definitely want one of the newer AMD CPUs. There are 8 core Ryzens or 16 core ThreadRippers which get great performance. Just a few posts above there was a benchmark score for 16 core ThreadRipper at 2 seconds. This is a big machine though, you will be fine with 8 cores as well. One big decision is about RAM. It's really hard to tell how much you want. If you want to ever solve preflop trees then 64GB is minimum. 128GB will future proof it for a long time but that's very expensive to get and it might turn out that RAM is much cheaper in few years than it is today.
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:41 PM   #4628
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

i would like to see the strategy to two cads, for example T2s. If i write show_strategy_pp i can see every hands. is it possible?? thanks
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Old 11-20-2018, 03:39 PM   #4629
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i would like to see the strategy to two cads, for example T2s. If i write show_strategy_pp i can see every hands. is it possible?? thanks
I am assuming you mean text API only, in GUI it's possible by hovering your mouse over 13x13 aread.
In text API you can only get results for all hands in range. You have to parse the output yourself. show_strategy_pp command is not meant to be used by any automatic tools. Please use show_strategy instead. It has much easier output to parse (just lines of 1326 numbers always in the same order corresponding to specific hands; the order is given by show_hand_order command).
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Old 11-23-2018, 11:27 AM   #4630
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Thanks, i have other problem . When i write in my console:

calc_eq_pp OOP
ERROR: calc_eq_pp board incorret or not set

what is the correc way, thanks
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Old 11-23-2018, 10:01 PM   #4631
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Looking for some basic scripting help: I have a bunch of saved, un-solved trees in a folder and I would like to have them solved to a specified accuracy and then saved. I tried reading through the script documentation on the website and got kinda lost. Can someone help? Thanks.
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Old 11-23-2018, 11:53 PM   #4632
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Looking for some basic scripting help: I have a bunch of saved, un-solved trees in a folder and I would like to have them solved to a specified accuracy and then saved. I tried reading through the script documentation on the website and got kinda lost. Can someone help? Thanks.


I think David Alford covered this but all YouTube videos are private now.
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Old 11-24-2018, 06:25 AM   #4633
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Thanks, i have other problem . When i write in my console:

calc_eq_pp OOP
ERROR: calc_eq_pp board incorret or not set

what is the correc way, thanks
It's the best if you don't use _pp command if you plan on parsing the output. pp commands mean to be human readable, I left them in the API for testing. They will likely not be supported in the future.

As to your question: you need to set a board and ranges first you can do it caling:
set_board and set_range commands the same way the viewer does when building a tree (please run the viewer in command line visible mode, it's explained at the top of the documentation).

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Looking for some basic scripting help: I have a bunch of saved, un-solved trees in a folder and I would like to have them solved to a specified accuracy and then saved. I tried reading through the script documentation on the website and got kinda lost. Can someone help? Thanks.
If they are unsolved it's the best to just build a new script and solve them from scratch.
Is there any reason you want to load them instead of building from scratch? It will take a long while to load a full tree so it wastes a lot of time.
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Old 11-24-2018, 06:27 AM   #4634
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I think David Alford covered this but all YouTube videos are private now.
Yeah, unfortunately David took his videos offline which is another lesson for us that if we make a deal with someone we should archive all material. I am very sorry for this. I will try to help you as much as possible with those issues here. I just need to understand the usecase first.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:06 PM   #4635
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If they are unsolved it's the best to just build a new script and solve them from scratch.
Is there any reason you want to load them instead of building from scratch? It will take a long while to load a full tree so it wastes a lot of time.
My question is more simply -- is there a way to batch solve multiple trees at once? Each would have different structure and a single (different) flop. At the moment I'm solving one, waiting, looking at it, and then moving on to the next. I was hoping to automate the solving process for all of them so I could review them all at once when done.

In the discord someone linked me to this article: http://www.gtopokercoach.com/2018/01...tiple-scripts/

It seems to do what I'm wanting but is throwing an error.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:35 PM   #4636
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Got it! Script in linked article does what I was hoping -- just had to fix some syntax errors on my end.
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:26 PM   #4637
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hello, I'm trying to include in the script to round strategy before saving solution. I inserted the line "round_up_to IP chunks_2 river" between the line "wait_for_server" and "dump_tree..." but it doesn't work. I have no error message but the solution saved is always 100% check IP. I have no clue of what I'm doing wrong, is anyone got an idea? thanks
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:19 PM   #4638
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Hello, I'm trying to include in the script to round strategy before saving solution. I inserted the line "round_up_to IP chunks_2 river" between the line "wait_for_server" and "dump_tree..." but it doesn't work. I have no error message but the solution saved is always 100% check IP. I have no clue of what I'm doing wrong, is anyone got an idea? thanks
It should be round_up_to IP 2 river

Please test on simple trees and bad accuracy first so you don't waste time
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:29 PM   #4639
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It should be round_up_to IP 2 river

Please test on simple trees and bad accuracy first so you don't waste time
It's working now and yes I obviously test on bad accuracy.
Thank you.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:27 PM   #4640
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I purchased PioSOLVER Pro a few months ago and have only used 1 of my activation keys. I upgraded my computers RAM and suddenly PioSOLVER is asking me for my activation key again.

Upon opening the PioSOLVER-pro application it asks me to enter my key, once entered it says activation successful. It again asks me for my key when opening the PioViewer application.

A window pops up that reads, "You're trying to connect to non activated Pio SOLVER. Please provide your activation code". When I enter my activation code it says "activation successful" but when I click "OK" the same window re appears asking me for my activation code.

Kind of worried I'm going to use up my 2 activation codes trying to fix this. Has anyone else encountered this issue?

Edit: Wanted to add that I also ran PioUpdater and the problem still persists.

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Old 11-27-2018, 10:54 PM   #4641
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi I have a question about the preflop solver.

I would like to start the tree of a heads up match 100bb facing the 3bet already so I have more memory for the tree. So I put 1000 stack, 25 IP already in the pot, 88 OOp already in the pot. But then, it says NOde is missing.

And I understand it's because I can only limp from the root. So PIO expect the tree continue with the BB having the opportunity to raise. But I don't want to limp, I want to call the 3bet and see a flop in position.

What would be the solution so PIO understand that I don't want to limp, I want to call and then see the flop in position . Thank you!
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:39 AM   #4642
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hey guys!

I have a reoccuring problem that happens again and again.

I do studywork with my friends and even me on my own using two computers saving solves in my Dropbox.

Now it happens again and again that if I open a file, the tree-building page will be empty and therefor I cannot look at the information that was plugged in nor can I make small changes and rerun with similar options or slightly changed ranges without going through the whole process of plugging every single information in.

Is there a way to get around this bug?

Thanks for helping me out!
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Old 11-28-2018, 04:41 AM   #4643
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I purchased PioSOLVER Pro a few months ago and have only used 1 of my activation keys. I upgraded my computers RAM and suddenly PioSOLVER is asking me for my activation key again.
That may happen as it may fail to recognize your computer. Please email us with your key and we will reset it for you.

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When I enter my activation code it says "activation successful" but when I click "OK" the same window re appears asking me for my activation code.
This is almost always caused by incorrect date, time or timezone on your computer. Please verify those are correct and try again. Restarting the system might be necessary for the changes to take effect.

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Kind of worried I'm going to use up my 2 activation codes trying to fix this. Has anyone else encountered this issue?
Don't worry about it. You can always recover Pio license no matter what happens. If the system crashes, computer gets stolen etc. you can always email us asking for a reset.

I would like to start the tree of a heads up match 100bb facing the 3bet already so I have more memory for the tree. So I put 1000 stack, 25 IP already in the pot, 88 OOp already in the pot. But then, it says NOde is missing.

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And I understand it's because I can only limp from the root. So PIO expect the tree continue with the BB having the opportunity to raise. But I don't want to limp, I want to call the 3bet and see a flop in position.
The simplest way to solve is to only put blinds in the pot and force bet and 3bet (make them the only possible action). The solver will warn that some actions might be missing but you can just ignore it. It should be like:

raies-3bet-4bet/call/fold

I do studywork with my friends and even me on my own using two computers saving solves in my Dropbox.

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Now it happens again and again that if I open a file, the tree-building page will be empty and therefor I cannot look at the information that was plugged in nor can I make small changes and rerun with similar options or slightly changed ranges without going through the whole process of plugging every single information in.

Is there a way to get around this bug?
Are you using the newest version? It should be 1.10.21 for the viewer and 1.10.19 for the solver. This didn't work in the past but works now so please make sure it's the newest version.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:10 AM   #4644
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Are you using the newest version? It should be 1.10.21 for the viewer and 1.10.19 for the solver. This didn't work in the past but works now so please make sure it's the newest version.
Is it working with old files but the updated programs? Or will i not be able to use my old files in that way but it will work with the updated solver in the future?

I have updated the Viewer just recently and will now see that i will update the solver. With the updated Viewer only it actually did not work.

Thanks for your help!
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:49 AM   #4645
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Is it working with old files but the updated programs? Or will i not be able to use my old files in that way but it will work with the updated solver in the future?
It loads old files unless you are using really ancient version (I think all saves from 1.6 and up should load. Only very old ones from 2015 may not).

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I have updated the Viewer just recently and will now see that i will update the solver. With the updated Viewer only it actually did not work.
Old saves don't have the config in them. In the past config files were saved separately as .txt and you need those config files in the same folder for the config to be shown when loading trees.
In the new version the config is saved in the save file itself so the problem is no longer there.
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:50 AM   #4646
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Just want to clarify I'm doing this correctly. For Limit Hold'em, I want to look at Button vs Big Blind situations where the Button puts in one raise and the Big Blind flats. Let's say stakes are $20 small bet (preflop and flop) and $40 big bets (turn and river). I would set the preflop starting pot to $80 (raise to $40 by button and defend by big blind). If I wanted to include the small blind's dead money I would make it $90 total, correct? (dead $10 small blind).
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Old 11-29-2018, 07:12 AM   #4647
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Just want to clarify I'm doing this correctly. For Limit Hold'em, I want to look at Button vs Big Blind situations where the Button puts in one raise and the Big Blind flats. Let's say stakes are $20 small bet (preflop and flop) and $40 big bets (turn and river). I would set the preflop starting pot to $80 (raise to $40 by button and defend by big blind). If I wanted to include the small blind's dead money I would make it $90 total, correct? (dead $10 small blind).
Yes it's correct.
You can use the main treebuilding window btw. It's more flexible if you want to remove some lines to make tree smaller. To use the main treebuilding form with limit holdem please use "c" postfix for bet sizes. Like this:

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#TreeBuilding#V2
#Range0#AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99,88,77,66,55,44,33,22,AK,AQ,AJ,AT,A9,A8,A7,A6,A5,A4,A3,A2,KQ,KJ,KT,K9,K8,K7,K6,K5,K4,K3,K2,QJ,QT,Q9,Q8,Q7,Q6,Q5,Q4,Q3,Q2,JT,J9,J8,J7,J6,J5,J4,J3,J2,T9,T8,T7,T6,T5,T4,T3,T2,98,97,96,95,94,93,92,87,86,85,84,83,82,76,75,74,73,72,65,64,63,62,54,53,52,43,42,32
#Range1#AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99,88,77,66,55,44,33,22,AK,AQ,AJ,AT,A9,A8,A7,A6,A5,A4,A3,A2,KQ,KJ,KT,K9,K8,K7,K6,K5,K4,K3,K2,QJ,QT,Q9,Q8,Q7,Q6,Q5,Q4,Q3,Q2,JT,J9,J8,J7,J6,J5,J4,J3,J2,T9,T8,T7,T6,T5,T4,T3,T2,98,97,96,95,94,93,92,87,86,85,84,83,82,76,75,74,73,72,65,64,63,62,54,53,52,43,42,32
#Board#Jh Qs 9h
#Pot#400
#EffectiveStacks#24800
#AllinThreshold#67
#AddAllinOnlyIfLessThanThisTimesThePot#500
#CapEnabled#True
#Cap#4
#CapMode#Limit
#FlopConfig.BetSize#100c
#FlopConfig.RaiseSize#100c
#TurnConfig.BetSize#200c
#TurnConfig.RaiseSize#200c
#TurnConfig.DonkBetSize#200c
#RiverConfig.BetSize#200c
#RiverConfig.RaiseSize#200c
#RiverConfig.DonkBetSize#200c
#FlopConfigIP.BetSize#100c
#FlopConfigIP.RaiseSize#100c
#TurnConfigIP.BetSize#200c
#TurnConfigIP.RaiseSize#200c
#RiverConfigIP.BetSize#200c
#RiverConfigIP.RaiseSize#200c
To see the config copy it to clipboard and then go to Tools->paste treebuilding config.
This way it's easy to remove things like donkbets or specific lines using remove line feature.
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Old 11-30-2018, 07:07 AM   #4648
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Someone posted on a forum saying that if you just want to get the EV of a strategy then you only need to solve to 2%, A few sims I have ran seem to confirm it. So if I want to test the ev of 2 different flop sizing strategies and I solve until 2%, will that give me fairly accurate results?
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:07 AM   #4649
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Someone posted on a forum saying that if you just want to get the EV of a strategy then you only need to solve to 2%, A few sims I have ran seem to confirm it. So if I want to test the ev of 2 different flop sizing strategies and I solve until 2%, will that give me fairly accurate results?
Probably not because usually EV difference when using different sizings is very small.
You can run it to 2% and get a good ballpark for EV but comparing "ballparks" is not good enough if real values are close to each other.
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Old 12-01-2018, 08:34 PM   #4650
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If I get PioSOLVER basic and then want to get PioSOLVER pro, can I upgrade by just paying the difference?
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