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Old 07-17-2018, 06:55 PM   #4201
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi,
Running some scripts lately, mostly when I'm away from home.
Is there a way to add some lines to the script that when it's finished the script automatically shuts down all programs and then shuts down my pc?
Thanks in advance.

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Old 07-18-2018, 02:59 AM   #4202
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I was running an aggregated freq analysis over 95 flops and when it got to 56 I got a pop up saying incorrect node type. Anything I can do? I’m confused of what happened
Is it 1.10.18 version? If no, please update using the updater from here:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...ersion-1-10-18

If yes, please send an email to support@piosolver.com preferably including screenshot from the problem as well as one sample save from the script.

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Is there a way to add some lines to the script that when it's finished the script automatically shuts down all programs and then shuts down my pc?
It's not possible right now but you can do the following:

1)Make sure you are on 1.10.18 version
2)Set Windows to go to sleep mode after say 15 or 30 minutes of inactivity
3)Run the script

The solver (in the newest version) prevents the machine from sleeping when it's running but once it's done and time in 2) passes it will sleep. One thing you may need is to set events which wake the computer up from sleep. It's a good idea to remove mouse move as those often happen randomly and the computer can wake up without your input.
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:32 AM   #4203
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hey I'm not sure if I am missing something, but it seems as if the free trial has all the features available to it, including flop analysis. What are the benefits of getting piosolver basic over the free version? Thank you.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:19 AM   #4204
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Hey I'm not sure if I am missing something, but it seems as if the free trial has all the features available to it, including flop analysis. What are the benefits of getting piosolver basic over the free version? Thank you.
The basic version solves only one flop: Qs Jh 2h
It also solves any turn/river spot.

It's not time limited and made so so you can experiment with various trees, look at performance, get a feel for the interface etc.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:07 AM   #4205
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi

the following problem acured.

I analyzed a hand where my opponent played Flop CheckRaise+Check Turn. After that I played a bit a round.
I locked the IP Ranges and changed the OOP-Players Range (betet all MidPairs+ etc)

Afterwards I unlocked the OOP-Players Range so that Pio calculates back to the original GTO strategy. (I know I could have just bult the tree new but I was to lazy to lock the IP ranges again. so I just had to unlock OOP-Play ^^)

But Pio is not able to get back to it. As mentioned before I unlocked OOP-Players range but Pio is stuck by 2,2% exploitable. (it is still betting all the MidPairs+. In the original GTO version it is betting a high percentig of TP but just a few MidPairs)
(The tree is very small just 14MB with big Save)


I think the same occured yesterday when I was locking in a normal Flop Tree all the TurnCBETs of IP-Player. ANd played a bit around with changing the OOP chRaise range)

Seems like Pio is struggeling with several changes of the strategy via locking the strategys?!


Any thoughts on this? is it a bug?!
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:28 PM   #4206
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Afterwards I unlocked the OOP-Players Range so that Pio calculates back to the original GTO strategy. (I know I could have just bult the tree new but I was to lazy to lock the IP ranges again. so I just had to unlock OOP-Play ^^)

But Pio is not able to get back to it
Yeah, our current algorithm remembers how far away it is in calculations and won't be able to get back quite often if you mess with the solution. It "knows" it's farer away so it also knows some things can't be true. This no longer holds once you change the strategy.

The recommended way to work with node-locking is:

1)make new tree
2)lock
3)solve

The recommended way to getting back to original solution is to load a save

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Seems like Pio is struggeling with several changes of the strategy via locking the strategys?!
Yes, this is by design and allows memory optimizations. You can make a new tree and solve from there and it won't have problems solving.
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:24 PM   #4207
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hello,
I noticed that sometimes the bet sizes I put in the "preflop tree building and calculations" section of Pio do not match up with the betsizes in the browser. Here are screen shots of an example.








In this example I have 2 flop sizes, 3 turn, and 1 river. Everything works fine, except when I use the larger flop sizing, then a turn overbet. After this specific line, the river bet size that Pio displays in the browser is "711" into a pot of "533", when the only bet size I have for the river is 85% pot. Any idea why this is happening? If I take the small flop sizing, then turn overbet, or any other line it works fine.
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Old 07-20-2018, 02:57 AM   #4208
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In this example I have 2 flop sizes, 3 turn, and 1 river. Everything works fine, except when I use the larger flop sizing, then a turn overbet. After this specific line, the river bet size that Pio displays in the browser is "711" into a pot of "533", when the only bet size I have for the river is 85% pot. Any idea why this is happening? If I take the small flop sizing, then turn overbet, or any other line it works fine.
There is "all-in threeshold" option which is by default set to 67%. This means that if after a bet less than 33% of initial stack is left that bet is rounded to all-in. The setting is there to avoid situations where you leave very little behind and are pot committed anyway. In you example this comes into play when you choose bigger bet sizes on flop/turn. We think 67% is a good conservative default. Some of our users think it should be lower than that for practical purposes (so more bets are rounded).
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Old 07-20-2018, 01:56 PM   #4209
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hey guys,

my Pio Viewer doesn't connect to the server after installing the latest update. What are the most common reasons for that?
Would be happy to get help. Thanks in advance.

GL at the tables everyone.
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Old 07-20-2018, 09:27 PM   #4210
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I'm new. Greatly appreciate any help.

I'm trying to build a tree for limit holdem (using the free version, just to learn how to use this), and an error is coming up that says "Server Error: ERROR: add_line LINE is too long (maybe you inserted very small% or 0 raise)".

Can someone let me know what I did wrong.

Thank you!
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Old 07-21-2018, 04:11 AM   #4211
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my Pio Viewer doesn't connect to the server after installing the latest update. What are the most common reasons for that?
Would be happy to get help. Thanks in advance.
Assuming you are starting everything from your installation folder please start PioSOLVEr-pro.exe (assuming pro version) and send us a screenshot of what is happening to support@piosolver.com

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I'm trying to build a tree for limit holdem (using the free version, just to learn how to use this), and an error is coming up that says "Server Error: ERROR: add_line LINE is too long (maybe you inserted very small% or 0 raise)".
When building limits trees it's important to put cap of 4 and choose limit way of betting cap, like here:
https://gyazo.com/26491e3a0e4a0f4d6d3e7766902ace61

Here is a full limit tree:
https://pastebin.com/

You can load it in PioViewer by copying the text first and then going to Tools->paste treebuilding config

Please notice that those trees are very big. On a rainbow board with full ranges you will need around 13GB of RAM to build it. It's a good idea to limit some options (for example donk bets on the flop or turn, maybe 3bet on the flop IP.

Turn/river trees are going to be small but with flop ones you have to be careful.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:19 PM   #4212
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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When building limits trees it's important to put cap of 4 and choose limit way of betting cap, like here:
https://gyazo.com/26491e3a0e4a0f4d6d3e7766902ace61

Here is a full limit tree:
https://pastebin.com/

You can load it in PioViewer by copying the text first and then going to Tools->paste treebuilding config

Please notice that those trees are very big. On a rainbow board with full ranges you will need around 13GB of RAM to build it. It's a good idea to limit some options (for example donk bets on the flop or turn, maybe 3bet on the flop IP.

Turn/river trees are going to be small but with flop ones you have to be careful.
thank you so much Punter. you are a huge, huge help. you have gotten me started.

I couldn't find a box that gave an option to "cap/allow maximum of 4 bets" in the pioviewer LHE tree-building section.

also, the tree that you posted didn't seem to go through. (looks blank when I clicked on your link.

but, based on the concepts you expressed, I put in a cap of 2 bets on each street, and that somehow made it work. (maybe the previous tree when I was trying to have 4 bets on each street just overwhelmed it?)

anyways, thank you so much. if you are able to post your limit-tree example again I much appreciate it.

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Old 07-21-2018, 02:40 PM   #4213
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I couldn't find a box that gave an option to "cap/allow maximum of 4 bets" in the pioviewer LHE tree-building section.
You can build limit trees in the main section as well. This way you get access to more treebuilding features like removing/adding specific lines etc.

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also, the tree that you posted didn't seem to go through. (looks blank when I clicked on your link.
I made a mistake when copying a link. The correct one is here:
https://pastebin.com/CJxpt9G4

You need to copy the text and then go to Tools->paste treebuilding config from clipboard

Please notice the "c" postfix in "100c" and "200c" sizings. This means there is constant bet size not relative to post size. This is the way to construct limit trees in the main config window.

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maybe the previous tree when I was trying to have 4 bets on each street just overwhelmed it?)
Well, limit trees are big so there is that. It makes sense to experiment with cutting branches to get it to reasonable size.
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Old 07-21-2018, 03:10 PM   #4214
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Can you terminate Piosolver before it is complete in its analysis to get a good but not optimal decision? How long does it take to find a better then human decision in heads up nolimit, on the flop, turn and river?
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:38 AM   #4215
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Can you terminate Piosolver before it is complete in its analysis to get a good but not optimal decision?
Yes, there is a stop button in treebuilding and calculation tab:
https://gyazo.com/5565207269c7844655a2afd2ea47a8dd

You can also browse the tree during solving although this is limited to looking at strategies/ranges.

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How long does it take to find a better then human decision in heads up nolimit, on the flop, turn and river?
"Better than human" is not well defined so it's impossible to answer.
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:47 AM   #4216
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Yes, there is a stop button in treebuilding and calculation tab:
https://gyazo.com/5565207269c7844655a2afd2ea47a8dd

You can also browse the tree during solving although this is limited to looking at strategies/ranges.



"Better than human" is not well defined so it's impossible to answer.
on par with the absolute best humans, or better. How long time does that take approximately.
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Old 07-23-2018, 05:02 PM   #4217
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on par with the absolute best humans, or better. How long time does that take approximately.
This is really impossible to determine.
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Old 07-23-2018, 05:03 PM   #4218
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hello,
I ran a script and saved multiple boards (full saves). I want to convert them into small saves to save disk space, is there a way to convert them all in a few clicks like a script or do I need to open them one by one and save as small file?

Thanks
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Old 07-24-2018, 06:13 AM   #4219
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I ran a script and saved multiple boards (full saves). I want to convert them into small saves to save disk space, is there a way to convert them all in a few clicks like a script or do I need to open them one by one and save as small file?
It's possible to write a script to do that like this:

load_tree "mysave1.cfr"
dump_tree "mysave1-small.cfr" no_rivers

load_tree "mysave2.cfr"
dump_tree "mysave2-small.cfr" no_rivers

You would need to write (or generate) this script yourself though which might still be better than clicking load/save a lot of times.
You can make a new folder for small saves, then the script will looks like this:

load_tree "C:\old_folder\mysave1.cfr"
dump_tree "C:\new_folder\mysave1-small.cfr" no_rivers

It's a good idea to first try very short script (just convert one or two saves) and doing all of them only when you see it working on 1-2 trees.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:18 AM   #4220
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This is really impossible to determine.
I dont know what timescale this operates on, what I want to know is how good it is on the flop and turn if it only has 3-5 seconds to think. Can it compete with a good human?
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:15 PM   #4221
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi,

I would like to purchase "PIOSolver basic" but I would have to change my computer in 3 weeks. Could I re-download it on my future computer since there is only one activation ?

Thanks
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:46 AM   #4222
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hello, I'm not very good at English, but I'm still going to try to ask my question.


I noticed that very often it is not possible for a large number of boards to use "aggregated multiple analysis runouts" for the turn with "include all hands in the report" because the file is too big.


Would not it be possible to be able to select which hands we want so that we can have them all the same? Example: all flushdraws, all backdoors, all pairs ...


I hope to have been clear. Thank you for your reply.
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Old 07-25-2018, 03:30 AM   #4223
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I dont know what timescale this operates on, what I want to know is how good it is on the flop and turn if it only has 3-5 seconds to think. Can it compete with a good human?
Not by itself. It's a solver not AI. You would need to write a lot more code to make it competitive in real time play, especially from the flop.

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I would like to purchase "PIOSolver basic" but I would have to change my computer in 3 weeks. Could I re-download it on my future computer since there is only one activation ?
Moving our licenses within reasonable limits for purposes like new computers, long travelling or some experimentation is not a problem. You can either deactivate it yourself or send us an email afterwards, including your key, so we reset it for you.

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I noticed that very often it is not possible for a large number of boards to use "aggregated multiple analysis runouts" for the turn with "include all hands in the report" because the file is too big.


Would not it be possible to be able to select which hands we want so that we can have them all the same? Example: all flushdraws, all backdoors, all pairs ...
Yes, this is a good idea. I will put it on the todo.
I will check why there is a file size limit as well. How many flops do you have when you run into this limitation? Does it happen on the river only?
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Old 07-25-2018, 04:15 AM   #4224
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Not by itself. It's a solver not AI. You would need to write a lot more code to make it competitive in real time play, especially from the flop.



Moving our licenses within reasonable limits for purposes like new computers, long travelling or some experimentation is not a problem. You can either deactivate it yourself or send us an email afterwards, including your key, so we reset it for you.



Yes, this is a good idea. I will put it on the todo.
I will check why there is a file size limit as well. How many flops do you have when you run into this limitation? Does it happen on the river only?
Excel have row limit to 1,048,576 rows, that's may cause limitation
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Old 07-25-2018, 04:56 AM   #4225
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Excel have row limit to 1,048,576 rows, that's may cause limitation
Full aggregation reports on the river are quite big because there are 49 * 48 = 2352 possible runouts. If you want to print results for every hand on every runout then it's already more than 3 million rows. It looks like choosing which hands to print results for would be nice feature although maybe if you need results for specific hands it's better to just use PioViewer and normal saves
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