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Old 07-10-2018, 04:27 PM   #4176
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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But seems again .... if u have a mac or run with Linux you can’t use it like all others programs...
Not hating but windows is not everything...
The reasons for Pio being Windows only are:
1)Online poker world is mainly on Windows
2)Developing and maintaining versions for other operating systems is very costly. This is especially true for a GUI, porting the engine itself is a smaller (but still sizeable) task.

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Regardless I just bought a tablet thinking I could use this program
I am sorry but tablets/phones don't have nearly enough CPU power to make a solver feasible on those. While Linux and Mac (in that order) version is possible on the future mobile devices are just not suited for heavy CPU oriented work.

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So am I right thinking if Don’t use windows I can’t use piosolver as of today and the near futur ?
We have quite a few customers using it on Macs by Parallels or Bootcamp and some using it on Linux with WineHQ but in general yes, it will stay Windows only for foreseeable future. We already have very little resources and a lot of ideas we would like to follow. Porting the software to other OSes with the exception Linux is very unlikely to happen.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:27 PM   #4177
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Im trying to do a postflop sim on Kc Kd Kh flop pot 22 stacks 390 but the "exploitable for" just goes back and forth for hours. I have never had any problems like this before and it seems to be only on flops like KKK QQQ etc.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:44 AM   #4178
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Im trying to do a postflop sim on Kc Kd Kh flop pot 22 stacks 390 but the "exploitable for" just goes back and forth for hours. I have never had any problems like this before and it seems to be only on flops like KKK QQQ etc.
Yeah, it has problems on those boards, especially if the initial ranges are small and there are many sizes. Can you please send us a tree config to support@piosolver.com? I will run some tests on it.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:28 AM   #4179
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Can the preflop solver work with limit holdem?
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Old 07-11-2018, 01:39 PM   #4180
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Yeah, it has problems on those boards, especially if the initial ranges are small and there are many sizes. Can you please send us a tree config to support@piosolver.com? I will run some tests on it.
The sim has finished now it took between 5-6 hours. I have sent you the tree config anyway if you wanna test it.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:53 PM   #4181
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Do I need to deactivate license before running the updater if I'm saving to new path (and keeping the old 1.9 per the option given in the instructions)?

What if I am saving to same path (folder) as before - do I need to deactivate first?

(When I run the updater, it gives me a pop up with the option to deactivate license - wanted to be sure I don't need to do that.)

Thanks!

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Old 07-12-2018, 05:35 AM   #4182
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Do I need to deactivate license before running the updater if I'm saving to new path (and keeping the old 1.9 per the option given in the instructions)?
You don't need to deactivate but sadly once you start 1.10 on the same computer the license will probably not recognize the computer anymore. You can deactivate beforehand to guard vs that you can also email us afterwards with your key asking for a reset.
Maybe you are lucky and they just work along but we can't guarantee that (licensing system got updated and now they apparently use different things for hardware fingerprint).

There isn't any risk though. The worst that can happen is that the license gets stuck, you email us and we reset it for you.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:48 AM   #4183
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi, I have solved some preflop and flop trees on Piosolver Edge on server. I saved them as Small saves and transfered to my pc. But when I try to load the trees, I get this error:
https://gyazo.com/893f64c2280fe59605cb291898566fdd

I am using PioSolver Pro on PC. I have tries to connect to both PioSOLVER-pro19.exe and preflop-browser.exe.

What would be a problem?
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:10 AM   #4184
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I am using PioSolver Pro on PC. I have tries to connect to both PioSOLVER-pro19.exe and preflop-browser.exe.
The best would be if you update to 1.10 version using the updater from here:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...ersion-1-10-18

In 1.10 there is only one executable for preflop/postflop so this problem no longer exists.
It's likely that you solved the tree with 1.10 on the server. Our saves are backward compatible but not forward compatible (you can read older ones with new version but not the other way around).

If that doesn't solve the problem please email support@piosolver.com
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:29 PM   #4185
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I began running a SB vs BB script of the 184 flop subset 13 hours ago, and although I donít expect it to be done yet considering how wide the ranges are and how greedy I got with the trees is this normal considering the specs of my computer?

Iím running an 18 core Xeon processor with 128gb of ram. Using windows 10 on parallels on my iMac pro.

Iíve just stopped it now getting worried extended periods of heat at this level might damage my components. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 07-13-2018, 02:57 AM   #4186
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I began running a SB vs BB script of the 184 flop subset 13 hours ago, and although I don’t expect it to be done yet considering how wide the ranges are and how greedy I got with the trees is this normal considering the specs of my computer?
It's about 25 minutes per tree. The tree is not small as you've noticed with 3-4 bet sizes on turn/river and 2 on the flop for both players. One thing you could do about the tree is to use a cap of 4 (so 4th bet is rounded to all-in). This will remove long chain of small bet/small raise/small raise which likely arises on the flop.

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I’ve just stopped it now getting worried extended periods of heat at this level might damage my components. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
1)It's good to monitor the temperature but if you have functioning cooling it shouldn't be a problem. If the CPu reaches 90 degrees Celsius the cooling is definitely not functioning properly. I've run Pio for days without breaks on 16 core Xeon and never went above 60C. Same thing on my home CPU (although that is a only a quad).

2)You can always give less threads to Pio (Tools->Configuration->Behavior) so it doesn't produce as much heat

3)You can restart the script later, it will skip over already done files as long as you don't move them from the original location

Can you send me the tree config btw? You can get it by clicking "copy to clipboard" button and pasting to email (support@piosolver.com). I will use it for benchmark for future versions.

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Old 07-13-2018, 04:43 AM   #4187
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Can the preflop solver work with limit holdem?
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:15 AM   #4188
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Can the preflop solver work with limit holdem?
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I am very sorry for missing it. I am not sure how it happened, I was sure I posted the reply.
Anyway, yes it can work with limit Holdem. It's not very practical though because limit holdem trees are huge (because of possible 4 bets on every street, there are a lot of branches).

You could try making postflop play very simplistic and then on a huge machine you would be able to solve preflop. You can input limit holdem configuration like this:

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#PreflopConfiguration
#PreflopRangeOOP#1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
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#Stack#25000
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#0.0#Raise_200
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#0.2#Fold
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#0.1.0.1#CheckCall
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#TreeBuilding#V2
#AllinThreshold#67
#AddAllinOnlyIfLessThanThisTimesThePot#500
#CapEnabled#True
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#Cap#4
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#FlopConfig.RaiseSize#100c
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#TurnConfig.RaiseSize#200c
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#RiverConfig.BetSize#200c
#RiverConfig.RaiseSize#200c
#RiverConfig.DonkBetSize#200c
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#FlopConfigIP.RaiseSize#100c
#TurnConfigIP.BetSize#200c
#TurnConfigIP.RaiseSize#200c
#RiverConfigIP.BetSize#200c
#RiverConfigIP.RaiseSize#200c
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#TreeBuilding#V2
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#AddAllinOnlyIfLessThanThisTimesThePot#500
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#Cap#4
#CapMode#Limit
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#FlopConfig.RaiseSize#100c
#TurnConfig.BetSize#200c
#TurnConfig.RaiseSize#200c
#TurnConfig.DonkBetSize#200c
#RiverConfig.BetSize#200c
#RiverConfig.RaiseSize#200c
#RiverConfig.DonkBetSize#200c
#FlopConfigIP.BetSize#100c
#FlopConfigIP.RaiseSize#100c
#TurnConfigIP.BetSize#200c
#TurnConfigIP.RaiseSize#200c
#RiverConfigIP.BetSize#200c
#RiverConfigIP.RaiseSize#200c
#EndFlop
(copy it and then go to Tools->paste treebuilding config to get it in your Pio).

Again, this tree is humongous, you need to cut a lot to make it manageable, probably limp preflop and cap on most streets as well as many donkbets. Even then it's going to require big machine to solve.
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Old 07-14-2018, 01:24 PM   #4189
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Is there anywhere to see benchmark numbers for Pio running on different machine configurations?

Just figuring out a new build to run Pio and other poker software, while also comparing against cost of server too.
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Old 07-14-2018, 05:56 PM   #4190
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Is there anywhere to see benchmark numbers for Pio running on different machine configurations?
My i7 quad @ 3.4Ghz (Ivybridge) gets around 9 seconds.
My 16 core Xeon (2.6Ghz, 2x8) gets around 3 seconds.

16 core Thread Rippers got it down to 2 seconds but I think it was done with overclocking.

You can try extrapolate from those numbers (speed is more or less proportional to number of cores multiplied by frequency they run on, hypethreading is worth around 15% and new AMD cores are maybe around 5% slower than Intel ones per core at the same frequency). You can also ask on our Discord for more benchmarks.
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Old 07-14-2018, 09:18 PM   #4191
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Wow a 16 core Xeon machine, that's some impressive hardware. Is that a personal machine or an online rented server?

Thanks for the info, judging by what you've said I don't think there will be a huge amount of difference between the options I'm looking at but I'll ask on the discord too for a few more benchmarks to see.

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Old Yesterday, 01:05 PM   #4192
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Recently saw video review of beta preflop solver for 3+ players made by your competitors (sp). Any plans to match them in near future?
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Old Yesterday, 05:36 PM   #4193
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I bought piosolver pro about a year ago. I took a break since then, redid my computer. I want to get back into poker. I am trying to reinstall pioSolver but the download link I have does not work. How should I go about getting back into things? Download the free version then run the updater? Then input my serial number? Thanks.
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Old Yesterday, 06:12 PM   #4194
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Wow a 16 core Xeon machine, that's some impressive hardware. Is that a personal machine or an online rented server?
We rent it as do a lot of our customers who do high volume calculations on big trees.

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Thanks for the info, judging by what you've said I don't think there will be a huge amount of difference between the options I'm looking at but I'll ask on the discord too for a few more benchmarks to see.
In general it's hard to get things much faster beyond certain point unless you are willing to splurge a bit for home work station.

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Recently saw video review of beta preflop solver for 3+ players made by your competitors (sp). Any plans to match them in near future?
Yes, there are plans for multiway solver. Those things are not easy though if you want to preserve some guarantees about the solutions.

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I am trying to reinstall pioSolver but the download link I have does not work. How should I go about getting back into things? Download the free version then run the updater? Then input my serial number? Thanks.
You need a new installer/updater here:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...ersion-1-10-18

This is because we've changed the whole distribution system (personal links are no longer needed).

It's possible your key doesn't work anymore, in such case please email us including it and we will reset it for you.
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Old Yesterday, 06:23 PM   #4195
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I am not sure what to do with the updater since I no longer have the pioSolver floder on my computer. The update worked on my laptop but not my desktop. Windows will not open the file. Do I have to install the free version first? My personal download link does not work anymore.
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The update worked on my laptop but not my desktop. Windows will not open the file.
The updater is just an executable file. If Windows doesn't open it it's a problem with your Windows installation or some 3rd program interfering with opening other executable files (maybe 3rd party antivirus).

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My personal download link does not work anymore.
Let me quote the post above:

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You need a new installer/updater here:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...ersion-1-10-18

This is because we've changed the whole distribution system (personal links are no longer needed).
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Old Today, 03:50 AM   #4197
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

This computer is just a fresh windows 7 install. No third party software except pioSolver. I downloaded the PioUpdater file and it just will not open. I double click on it and it asks "Do you want to open this file?" Then I click "Open" and it asks me "with what application?"

I also vote for a Linux build.
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Old Today, 04:17 AM   #4198
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I think it is going to work now. I installed chrome as a browser and used that to download pioUpdater. (You told my in an email, I did not figure that out, windows frustrates me) Thanks! I will finish the install after work.
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I think it is going to work now. I installed chrome as a browser and used that to download pioUpdater. (You told my in an email, I did not figure that out, windows frustrates me) Thanks! I will finish the install after work.
It looks like Internet Explorer/Edge has default security settings to not download .exe files from the internet (or if they do download Windows changes their settings so they can't be run). It's good using Firefox or Chrome solves that. Installing those should be the first step on any fresh Windows install anyway
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