The way Pio works is that there are two strategies, one for IP one for OOP. Let's call them stratIP and stratOOP. When Pio starts running they are set to equal for all actions. In every step the solver moves them in direction of the highest EV. After a while this process gets the strategies closer and closer to equilibrium.

The way the solver calculates EV is to run current stratIP vs current stratOOP. Those strategies are not perfect equilibrium (just the best approximation till now) so there will be some places where action with not the highest EV is chosen some of the time. This will be less and less visible when strategies gets close to real equilibrium. The longer you run the solver and the better accuracy it reaches the less often not higher EV actions are chosen.

The problem is that we don't know what EV is going to be in perfect equilibrium. We only know EV against current approximation. We can't make huge adjustment as always playing the best action against current opponent's strategy because it will result in being very exploitable (opponent can adjust and win vs us).

Imagine this happening in Rock, Paper, Scissors game. If you start with something like 50%-50%-0% strategy and your opponent is playing 0%-100%-0% (always paper) you want ot start playing scissors more often but you don't want to move to 0%-0%-100% instantly, you want to make small step first, let's say to 40%-40%-20% to see how opponent reacts. They will adjust as well and sooner or later you reach equilibrium (33%-33%-33%). If you keep going 100% Scissors, they will do 100% Rock, you do 100% Paper and you never reach the equilibrium.

I hope this is clear enough, feel free to ask follow up questions.

hello,

is it possible to make the number of BKD combos appear on the range explorer ?

thanks

Version 1.10.18

Autogenerated preflop scripts returning EV in ICM Utility. There's no "#PreflopICM.Enabled#True" command present. How do I show cEV?

Thanks.

I am sorry but I don't know what BKD combos mean. Can you elaborate?

If you generated the trees to work with ICM the EV is in ICM. There isn't an option to show chips EV in such case. It wouldn't be very useful as the tree was solved assuming ICM payoffs.

I did not generate the trees to use ICM, want cEV only.

Where do I get some decent preflop ranges for PIO? Both 6max CG or MTT with shallow stacks and antes. All I found are some extremely expensive "solutions". And then I found PIO cloud, which lets me download several GB packages which include almost no ranges, only large .cfr files. I don't want to do some sort of testing in preflop solver. I just want decent preflop ranges for opens, 3bets, 4bets... and input that into PIO postflop solver.
Does that exist?

Also when I run a script I keep getting

Error: go missing/incorrect tree

It seems to work with smaller ranges but when I use wider ranges it keeps coming up with this error

hey Punter,

so by BKD i mean backdoor combos. I would like to add a line (like any other types of holding hand with a check box) that show the what Pio does with backdoor FD on the range explorer view.

Thanks

The solver shows either EV or ICM depending how the tree was built.
If that's not what's happening then:

1)make sure you are on 1.10.18 version
2)if it's possible send us a small/micro save (support@piosolver.com)
3)description of how ot reproduce the problem would be nice as well although the save in 2) should suffice.

Are those scripts generated by our script generation tool or do you write them themselves. In both cases it would be useful to send us the script.

It's on the to-do but not available now. For now you would need to select backdoor combos manually. For example if the flop is Ks 7s 2h you would need to mark all suited heart hands in "Selection".

Does PIO solve equity realization of specific hands vs different ranges on different stacksizes in order to create preflop BB defending ranges ? if yes edge is needed or pro is enough ?

Pio shows equity realization. It shows EV for every hand in the solution as well as all-in equity. Equity realization is just EV/EQ and we show that as well as curiosity, however:

I am sorry but this doesn't work. I am sorry if someone convinced you it does but it doesn't. I don't know where this came from to be honest. Calculating trees to find equity realizaiton with specific ranges and then using that to solve (for example) BB defending ranges is just not how math works.

I've encountered this idea many times in converstations and pms. I don't know who and why came up with "equity realization profile" or w/e it's called to solve preflop. All I can say is:

1)This idea doesn't work at all
2)Equity realization is a curiosity, it doesn't have any practical applications and especially it can't be used to solve for preflop ranges if you hope to get any kind of accuracy. The reason for this is that once the ranges change then EV changes and that means equity realization changes. Keeping equity realization constant and trying to find "solution" is pointless.

Hi there! I've been told in the past there were some people building preflop trees in exchange of a little payment. Don't know if they are part of Piosolver staff, or they were just autonomous. I would like to ask where can I find them, i want to ask for some preflop solutions but my computer is not enough to solve preflop trees, and i think hiring a server is just too much for what I want. Ty

We don't do that although we make PioCloud solutoins available for free for our customers, see here:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=3635

If you need solutoins of custom trees feel free to ask on our Discord (maybe marketplace channel). There might be someone willing to do that for you.

Hi everyone.

I want to study ranges with Piosolver using the script-fucntion. I would like script certain type of flop textures (example A-high flops). However, I was wondering does the scripting function support wildcards (A** flop) or is there a comprehensive list of different A high flops that I could use for the script?

I'm using this if nothing else works. I should be able to filter out relevant flop
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...the-whole-game

Right now we don't have functionality to generate flops of certain kind. You need to generate them yourself. You can then insert them into script generation window and generate a script.

Depends what you mean by comprehensive. If you want all strategically different flops then insert 22100 in script generation window, click "generate" and you will get the list with weights.
From there you would need to filter the ones starting from A. This is a lot of clicking without little scripting experience so I went ahead and did it for you:
https://pastebin.com/mKaaXmhD

Notice that this is a lot of flops. For study purposes you likely want less than that.

I just ran my benchmark and it said 4.16. How good is this?


It seems like PIO is compatible with 3rd party servers. How many cores can you get in a powerful server and how much does it cost?

It's quite good, about 2x as fast as a decent modern quad desktop.

You can as many cores as you want although reasonable offerings usually are up to 32 cores.
How much it costs and where to rent is a question for servers providers. We only do software

So are you saying that a perfectly implemented PIO strategy negates the need for equity realization?

Well I should clarify. It seems like you are saying equity realization isn't a real thing. But I have found this concept useful at times when I didn't use PIO. But I am wondering if PIO renders the concept mute.

So a 32 core server would crush my 4.16 second benchmark, right?

The only need for equity realization is developing intuition. Equity realization is just EV/EQ by definition. EV is calculated with specific ranges. Using that to solve for ranges is circular reasoning, it's not going to work.

It is a real thing but you have to take into account that it's always calculated with specific ranges. You can't hope it's going to be the same or similar once the ranges change (which happens when you are solving).

Speed is roughly proportional to number of cores x frequency they run on assuming those are modern CPUs. There is performance penalty for multicore systems because Pio doesn't scale linearly but it's pretty close to linear scaling.

For a midstake grinder like me (200nl and 22-215$ MTT) is Pio worth it? My goal for now isn't to become an endboss or anything.

I just want to crush my games and learn the highest EV lines vs exploitable/unbalanced opponents

Is pio all about playing "GTO" or can i learn how to exploit my opponents for the highest EV?

It's probably not the best place to ask this question if you want unbiased response.
Pio is mainly about GTO although it's possible to reserach some exploitive strategies by node-locking. In general though we think having a good intuition for where GTO line is is important in itself as that's the start of every adjustment. You need to know if your opponent is folding/calling/betting too much before you can sensibly adjust to that.
We feel Pio helped many players to become winners in games of today which is quite a high bar.

My advise is to look for opinions of other players. You can find some on our Discord (https://discord.gg/h3J4ank). Asking coaches, high stakes players etc. can't be a bad idea either.

Nvm problem solved

How do i find the optimal bet sizes if possible?

Hey Punter,

do you coach people on using PIO?

If so, rates? Can PM.

Thanks,

T