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04-21-2018 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
It shouldn't happen in 1.10 anymore so please update to that.
The most likey reason is that you have a newer version on one computer than on the other.
Do I need solve these files again or it does update files also?

Thank you
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04-21-2018 , 07:36 PM
When I choose multiple betsizes for the flop and the solver chooses to bet a certain hand for a bigger size 100% of the time. therefor according to the solver that hand cant be in the turn range when i go through the tree via a tinier size on the flop. This is a problem for me when I want to compare EV of different sizes on the turn with the hand that doesn't exist in the turn range according to the solver. How do I solve this? Do I need to recalculate the tree each time for each flop size I want to look at?
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04-21-2018 , 07:39 PM
Is there a shortcut type of way to node lock every single turn without having to manual lock them all?
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04-22-2018 , 02:40 AM
I've found that "lock selected combos" feature doesn't appear to work as it should to.

If I select some categories of hands in Range Explorer (e.g. 'bet' range) > then select them in 'lock selected combos' window > set strategy and close, PIO locks all remaining hands to 'check' and nothing changes after solving although it is COMBO_LOCKED.

It works fine only if I manually lock some hands not changing others. But Range Explorer selection feature doesn't work this way.
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04-22-2018 , 03:11 AM
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Ok sounds great. Do you have and recommendations of website? There are so many, I have no idea how to choose.
We really don't. Their offerings are changing all the time and it's hard to have an informed opinion if yo don't actually use their services. Most popular options among our customers are Contabo, Online.net and OVH. It seems Contabo offers the best performance/price ratio as of now. Feel free to ask about it on our Skype group. It's a popular topic there.

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Also, what os does pio support?
You need 64bit Windows with graphical interface (that is a version which isn't "Windows server core" or w/e it's called, normal Windows server is fine of course).

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1 -Hey, I was trying to understand more about river bets and I started to make toy games on piosolver starting on the river situation. On my mind I should value bet a hand on the river when I have more than 50% equity against villain call's range, so I started to do it on pio and I see that is true when I don't allow villain to check/raise on the river, when I allow villain to check/raise on the river, the things seems to be a little different and I didn't get the pattern involved, on how pio decides to value bet or not. Because against the same range when I allow to check/raise he prefers to check the entire range and when I don't allow check/raise he prefers to bet, it is a little obvious but I didn't get what he compares, like in first case I see the equity and I know why and the second case I don't know what is.
Well, it's normal that you have to be careful betting when the opponent is allowed to raise and that you also have to be careful betting OOP in general. It's hard to discuss it in general without seeing a specific case.

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2 - Does the last version 1.10.15 ? Because I updated my piosolver and it is showing on the bottom version 1.10.14.
1.10.14 for the solver (the engine) and 1.10.16 for PioViewer (GUI) at this point (you can check PioViewer version in "About" in the top menu).

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I'm going to buy preflop solver within few coming days - it's either simple postflop for $299 or piosolver edge for $1099.

What makes piosolver 3,67x pricier and 3,67x better than simple postflop?
To be honest I am not following what they are doing at all. Your best bet is to look at the features and ask around for opinions. Anything coming from us or them will obviously be very biased. Two things which very likely differ though are RAM requirements and the interface to browse the solutions.

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Is it possible to get like 7 days trial for preflop solver and compare it myself?
We don't have trials at this point (the free version is meant for evaluation but it doesn't have preflop functionality right now). If you email us I may be able to make a trial for you though (support@piosolver.com).

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Do I need solve these files again or it does update files also?
Newer versions of the solver can read older saves but not the other way around. No need to updates the saves if you update the solver.

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When I choose multiple betsizes for the flop and the solver chooses to bet a certain hand for a bigger size 100% of the time. therefor according to the solver that hand cant be in the turn range when i go through the tree via a tinier size on the flop. This is a problem for me when I want to compare EV of different sizes on the turn with the hand that doesn't exist in the turn range according to the solver. How do I solve this? Do I need to recalculate the tree each time for each flop size I want to look at?
Does it not show EV for those hands though? Did you check?

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Is there a shortcut type of way to node lock every single turn without having to manual lock them all?
There isn't. It's not a simple problem to solve because every turn is different so you would need some general language to lock all turns in a certain way. This is difficult to do to be powerful enough, easy enough to use and also useful.

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If I select some categories of hands in Range Explorer (e.g. 'bet' range) > then select them in 'lock selected combos' window > set strategy and close, PIO locks all remaining hands to 'check' and nothing changes after solving although it is COMBO_LOCKED.
Yes because setting strategy and locking are separate things right now. You can set a strategy to something specific and then only lock some combos. I will put on a feature on a to-do to do: "leave the combos not locked the same as they were when setting strategy".
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04-22-2018 , 04:55 AM
I am currently searching for a new laptop to buy and run PIO on it. Therefore few questions respective required hardware. Are the following hardware specs sufficient to run PIO postflop simulations:

- Intel i7
- RAM 16GB
- Quad core 7700HQ (or would you reccomend 8550U)
- SSD 128GB

Any other harware requirements that should be taken into account? Thanks.

Last edited by Kockar; 04-22-2018 at 05:05 AM. Reason: Edit initial post
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04-22-2018 , 02:25 PM
Hi,

How am I to download a previous version of PIO? I am wanting to download version 1.10.13 if possible.

Thank you.
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04-22-2018 , 04:36 PM
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I am currently searching for a new laptop to buy and run PIO on it. Therefore few questions respective required hardware. Are the following hardware specs sufficient to run PIO postflop simulations:

- Intel i7
- RAM 16GB
- Quad core 7700HQ (or would you reccomend 8550U)
- SSD 128GB
16GB RAM is plenty for a postflop solver.
7700HQ is going to be much faster than 8550U

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How am I to download a previous version of PIO? I am wanting to download version 1.10.13 if possible.
It's not possible. It's impossible to do any kind of support/fixes if everyone is on different version.
If something is broken in the newer one for you then you can let us know and there is a chance we fix it. Sometimes there are changes which are not convenient for everyone (for example font scaling) but sadly it isn't always possible to have the settings perfect for everyone.
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04-22-2018 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lonkaren
Im using a i7 8700k with a cooler master 212 evo and its temperature rises to 75 degrees C immediately and stabilizes there when running a simulation. Also when I ran 2 scripts of 4 flops (around 2gb each) the temp was exceeding 80 degrees C for a brief second. Is this a problem and should I invest in a water cooler?
I have 8700k +Noctua NH D15. And it is stable on 60-62C. Check this Noctua its the best.

I also have bought this CPU to generally work with Pio. I am wondering is it worth it to overclock the CPU. I am not a tech guy... will it be 10-15% faster Pio wise? I also have this RAM Team T-Force Vulcan 32GB (2 x 16GB) 2400. Will i have a better result if the RAM is 3200mhz? Someone told me that i can make my RAM from 2400 to 3000 somewhere in win 10 BIOS is this true?

Last edited by alex4409; 04-22-2018 at 08:15 PM.
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04-23-2018 , 03:09 AM
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I am wondering is it worth it to overclock the CPU. I am not a tech guy... will it be 10-15% faster Pio wise?
If you overclock by 10%-15% it will be about 10%-15% faster. You will get higher temperatures and other things may require adjusting as well (I am not a hardware guy either).

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Will i have a better result if the RAM is 3200mhz?
All the information we've got so far suggests it would be negligible difference.
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04-24-2018 , 05:51 PM
hi guys...to learn lines against 1-3 and 3-5 live, is the best method to just node lock and re-solve with how different opponents will act on streets? like if an opponent is over folding, node lock appropriately, re-solve, study, repeat? or is there some other way that i should be studying to learn lines against opponents who have huge holes in their game?

node locking and re-solving is so time consuming, as you all know. just looking for something more efficient. thanks.
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04-25-2018 , 06:58 AM
If I run an identical postflop script on say 10 flops, is there a way to load and interact with all 10 flops at the same time instead of opening them all individually (similar to the preflop browser).
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04-25-2018 , 09:26 AM
I have a question about node lock.

Let's say it's a spot with OOP x/r after IP cbet flop.

I node lock OOP defend play, I don't run sim again but I node lock IP defend vs OOP x/r. Now I go to run sim. Would I get accurate turn results?
... or after first node lock (OOP flop play) I would need to run and then node lock IP defend vs x/r and run that and then I would get accureate turn results?

Hope it's understandable
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04-25-2018 , 09:47 AM
Hi, I need to deactivate my Pio Pro licence and reactivate it on another PC.
When I type " deactivate" and press "send", I got Error code 18.
How can I solve this? Thanks
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04-25-2018 , 10:24 AM
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Hi, I need to deactivate my Pio Pro licence and reactivate it on another PC.
When I type " deactivate" and press "send", I got Error code 18.
How can I solve this? Thanks
Ok, I saw that no more deactivations are allowed for that product key. But now I really need to activate Pio on another machine. Is there any solution for this?
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04-25-2018 , 04:12 PM
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hi guys...to learn lines against 1-3 and 3-5 live, is the best method to just node lock and re-solve with how different opponents will act on streets? like if an opponent is over folding, node lock appropriately, re-solve, study, repeat? or is there some other way that i should be studying to learn lines against opponents who have huge holes in their game?
I was never a fan of node-locking but apparently it's very popular. Sadly we don't know what the best way to study is as we are no longer active poker players. My intuition was always to try to understand where the GTO line is which makes it possible to understand which direction the opponent is deviating.

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If I run an identical postflop script on say 10 flops, is there a way to load and interact with all 10 flops at the same time instead of opening them all individually (similar to the preflop browser).
There isn't although you can switch to another board keeping the line open so there is no need to click to a chosen place every time. You can do that by going to File->Load othe tree in the same folder or ctrl+shift+O

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I node lock OOP defend play, I don't run sim again but I node lock IP defend vs OOP x/r. Now I go to run sim. Would I get accurate turn results?
... or after first node lock (OOP flop play) I would need to run and then node lock IP defend vs x/r and run that and then I would get accureate turn results?
I don't fully understand what you mean but of course you can lock both and then run the tree. Just take into account that the solver is aware of the lock so it will start adjusting wherever possible to maximize its EV knowing it has to respect the lock.

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Ok, I saw that no more deactivations are allowed for that product key. But now I really need to activate Pio on another machine. Is there any solution for this?
Our basic/pro licenses are in principle per computer. We allow moving licenses within reasonable limit for purposes like new computers, long travelling or some experimentation. If you email us asking for extending the deactivating limit (make sure to include your license key) we are happy to do that for you.
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04-26-2018 , 12:29 PM
So I recently bought Piosolver Pro and then updated to EDGE a few days later for the preflop viewer. However, after force updated to EDGE, I try to connect to the preflop viewer but that isn't an option. Please advise.
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04-27-2018 , 01:48 AM
How do I change the directory to which trees are saved? I'd like to save them on a different disk.
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04-27-2018 , 02:34 AM
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So I recently bought Piosolver Pro and then updated to EDGE a few days later for the preflop viewer. However, after force updated to EDGE, I try to connect to the preflop viewer but that isn't an option. Please advise.
There is just one executable now. It reads/solves both preflop and postflop trees. No need for preflop viewer anymore.

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How do I change the directory to which trees are saved? I'd like to save them on a different disk.
I am not sure what you mean. If you go to File->Save (3 options to choose full/small/micro saves) it lets you choose the folder it saves to.
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04-28-2018 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
Most popular options among our customers are Contabo, Online.net and OVH. It seems Contabo offers the best performance/price ratio as of now. Feel free to ask about it on our Skype group. It's a popular topic there.
How do I get in skype group? (Want to ask some questions about servers.. I will probably go with contabo but not sure do I need dedicated server or VPS).
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04-28-2018 , 04:49 PM
nvm
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04-28-2018 , 05:00 PM
Pio had previously been working on my computer, but I formatted it and tried to reinstall the program and I have been unable to do so. I download and run the program, and it's listed as running in my task manager, but it won't install, nothing shows up. Not sure what to do.
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04-28-2018 , 07:49 PM
Hi i'm just wondering why the EV of certain strats are lower then what the should be for example if i incorporate multiple sizings in a certain spot and pio advocates to use x sizing it will be less EV then original strat of 1 sizing (confusing sometimes).

For example:
3! sizing i used was 3x, 3! freq say is with 20 combos for a total EV of 15
Now i ran sim for 2 sizings 3x and 2.5x (solver prefers 2.5x), 3! say is now 30 combos for a total EV of 12.

So just because EV of 1st one with that sizing is 15 > 12 doesn't mean it's better because of the fact there are more combos in the second sim that gain 12 EV such as 300 < 360?

^^^ Is this the right way to approach things when the EV numbers don't make sense initially?
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04-29-2018 , 06:28 AM
What formula is PIO using for IP/OOP raise sizes for flop/turn/river entered as % and not in the form of 3x as an example?
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04-30-2018 , 04:12 AM
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How do I get in skype group? (Want to ask some questions about servers.. I will probably go with contabo but not sure do I need dedicated server or VPS).
I am PM'ing you a link to a Skype group.

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Pio had previously been working on my computer, but I formatted it and tried to reinstall the program and I have been unable to do so. I download and run the program, and it's listed as running in my task manager, but it won't install, nothing shows up. Not sure what to do.
Are you running Avast by any chance? Avast and Norton are known to cause random situation like that. If you are running them, disable (make sure they are completely off which isn't easy with them) and try again. If that doesn't help please email support@piosolver.com with some problem description. Make sure you are running the newest version as well.

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So just because EV of 1st one with that sizing is 15 > 12 doesn't mean it's better because of the fact there are more combos in the second sim that gain 12 EV such as 300 < 360?

^^^ Is this the right way to approach things when the EV numbers don't make sense initially?
The only way is to compare EVs at the very beginning of the tree. The reason is apparent from your description: once there are more sizings/different sizings then different ranges will take those actions which makes EV comparison once any action is done completely meaningless. You have to look at EVs at root to know which player the change in the betting structure favors.

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What formula is PIO using for IP/OOP raise sizes for flop/turn/river entered as % and not in the form of 3x as an example?
A raise comprises a bet and a call. First you call a bet and then you bet % of the current pot. For example if the pot is 100, the opponent bets 50 and we want to raise 75% then we first call 50 making the pot 200 and then raise 75% of that which is 150. This makes it 50 + 150 so a raise to 250 total.
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