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Old 03-28-2018, 03:23 PM   #3826
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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Maybe it's something on your side then (like not enough space dedicated to downloads or temporary files). Let me know which exact file you have problems with, so far the ones I tried download without problems.
its the 6max files and i have tried with the microsoft edge browser now also.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:35 PM   #3827
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For example. Ip bets flop, checks back turn. OOP can bet 70 %, or 70 % and 150 % on river.
I check for EV directly after clicking on the river card.
It's already too late at this point as the ranges may vary because of options available. The only way to compare value of an option is to check EVs at the very beginning of the tree as only at this point you can be sure the play is not altered by the fact more options are available.

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It breaks the line in order to make the lines visible. Or at least this is my strong theory at the moment.
Yes, notepad sucks. Decent text editors don't insert random characters when they display lines with line-wrapping. I recommend notepad++ as I like it myself.

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its the 6max files and i have tried with the microsoft edge browser now also.
The files downloads without problems. I tired on two computers in two countries.
It's very likely something on your side. The files are big, they probably exceed the space you have allocated for temporary files. It's really hard to guess what is causing it as every system is different.
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:16 AM   #3828
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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The files downloads without problems. I tired on two computers in two countries.
It's very likely something on your side. The files are big, they probably exceed the space you have allocated for temporary files. It's really hard to guess what is causing it as every system is different.

How do i change the space i have allocated for temporary files? I use windows 10
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:36 AM   #3829
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi,
can I use BB as the stack size and effective stack size when using pio or do i always in put it like a 1000Nl game?
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:44 AM   #3830
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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How do i change the space i have allocated for temporary files? I use windows 10

It worked now thanks for help!
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:14 AM   #3831
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

In the 6max solutions you name your files 100bb_SBvsBB_3.5Per@14Cap. Does that mean 3.5% rake with 14BB cap?
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:50 AM   #3832
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I am trying to load a saved tree that a friend saved and I am getting this error when I try to load it. https://gyazo.com/b655a39c33193b2099804ae7e3a88e58
Is it because I only have the basic version while he used edge to fun the sim?
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:08 PM   #3833
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Punter, I am thinking of upgrading to pro because I want to run the sims overnight. Is it possible to say sim 10 hands overnight using a variety of range, bet sizes, ranges, stacks, etc.?
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:16 PM   #3834
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hello,
at the start of the hand it is 100bb deep, i raise 3x and bb call (hu), flop comes.
If i want to run a postflop simulation from that situation, i should input 100 as stack eff or 97 ?
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:43 PM   #3835
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

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at the start of the hand it is 100bb deep, i raise 3x and bb call (hu), flop comes.
If i want to run a postflop simulation from that situation, i should input 100 as stack eff or 97 ?
97. When you build a tree this way your all-ins will appear as "Bet 97", which is what you want (each player has 97 behind, so this is the effective stack).
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:50 AM   #3836
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can I use BB as the stack size and effective stack size when using pio or do i always in put it like a 1000Nl game?
Pio uses chips so it's the best to use that. Using BB is not a good idea because chips don't divide so for example if you have a pot of 7 and a bet of 50% it will be rounded but if you have a pot of 70 and a bet of 50% it will be 35.

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In the 6max solutions you name your files 100bb_SBvsBB_3.5Per@14Cap. Does that mean 3.5% rake with 14BB cap?
I will ask today. You can verify it yourself by going to an all-in node and comparing sum of EVs (for IP and OOP) to the total pot. If for example the stacks are 1000, there is 5 dead money, the pot should be 2005. If EVs add up to 2002 then it means the rake cap is 3.

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I am trying to load a saved tree that a friend saved and I am getting this error when I try to load it. https://gyazo.com/b655a39c33193b2099804ae7e3a88e58
Is it because I only have the basic version while he used edge to fun the sim?
No, the saves can be read by any version as long as you are using the newest one. They are backward compatible (newer versions can read older saves) but not forward compatible (older versions can't read newer saves).

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Punter, I am thinking of upgrading to pro because I want to run the sims overnight. Is it possible to say sim 10 hands overnight using a variety of range, bet sizes, ranges, stacks, etc.?
It's possible but it's admittedly not very convenient at this point. You would need to generate 10 scripts and chain them together into one. This is explained in Skype group FAQ and will for sure takes a while to get correctly (once you do it though it should be easy process to repeat).

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at the start of the hand it is 100bb deep, i raise 3x and bb call (hu), flop comes.
If i want to run a postflop simulation from that situation, i should input 100 as stack eff or 97 ?
Effective stacks at this point so 97 with the pot being 6.

Preferably use 5/10 or 50/100 blinds though as using 0.5/1 isn't very convenient because of bet size rounding issues (chips are not divisible so Pio doesn't use fractions in bet sizes).
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Old 03-30-2018, 07:58 AM   #3837
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

@punter Can pio free users have access to the pre flop solutions from pio cloud? I downloaded them but I cant seem to open them on pio viewer. I get a message saying that the solver istn connected(same as mreps(see post above))
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Old 03-30-2018, 10:07 AM   #3838
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

are there any plans yet for a trainer to accompany Pio such as SimpleGTO?
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Old 03-31-2018, 03:19 AM   #3839
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@punter Can pio free users have access to the pre flop solutions from pio cloud? I downloaded them but I cant seem to open them on pio viewer. I get a message saying that the solver istn connected(same as mreps(see post above))
You need at least a basic version to read those. The reason is that the saves contain only minimal information and almost everything is recalculated on the fly when browsing. For this you need full engine implementation.

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are there any plans yet for a trainer to accompany Pio such as SimpleGTO?
That's one of the oldest feature requests we've got, we even had that in our old decision tree software many years ago.
The reason it's not in Pio right now is that we didn't think we can make it useful enough because of some quirks of the algorithm we use. Right now those are overcome so some kind of trainer/guess the play is closer to the top of the features we won't to make available in the future again. Unfortunately I can't guarantee any timeline.
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Old 03-31-2018, 04:57 AM   #3840
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Using Pio now for a long time but now I recognized that building the tree on its own (without starting the calculation) already changes my available ram significantly (depending on the tree size). Does this happen since the latest update (10.1.15) or was it always the case?
Its weird because my taskbar always shows the available ram.
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Old 03-31-2018, 07:05 AM   #3841
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

Hi punter,
I'm a bit confused with how to set rake for postflop sims.
F.e if im doing a 3bp postflop sim, then the pot has already been raked preflop so should I set the starting pot otf smaller than what it should've been without rake? Should I set the rake cap smaller due to the fact that some of it was already raked pre?

How should I set starting pot and rake for the following example:
6max 100bb btnvco 3bp with a 5-10 blinds/chips structure and a5% and 15 chips cap environment. Btn 3b size is 80 so without rake the starting pot should be 80+80+15(blinds)= 175

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Old 03-31-2018, 07:19 PM   #3842
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Using Pio now for a long time but now I recognized that building the tree on its own (without starting the calculation) already changes my available ram significantly (depending on the tree size). Does this happen since the latest update (10.1.15) or was it always the case?
It was always the case. We allocate memory when the tree is built and then it stays constant (more or less, the threading library allocates/deallocates some pages sometimes).
If you need to get rid of a tree the simplest way is to restart the solver by going to Solver->reconnect.

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F.e if im doing a 3bp postflop sim, then the pot has already been raked preflop
The rake is taken away at the end of the hand not during it. I know some poker sites show you otherwise, just ignore it. The result is the same anyway.

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so should I set the starting pot otf smaller than what it should've been without rake?
Use the pot size without rake.

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6max 100bb btnvco 3bp with a 5-10 blinds/chips structure and a5% and 15 chips cap environment. Btn 3b size is 80 so without rake the starting pot should be 80+80+15(blinds)= 175
Yes, use 175. The rake will be taken at the end of the hand.
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Old 04-01-2018, 02:47 AM   #3843
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Re: PioSOLVER - postflop equilibrium solver for Holdem

I'm trying to run a script but getting message: "couldn't run a script, as there is no known postflop solver"
Few days ago I ran a script.. I don't know what is the problem now

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Old 04-01-2018, 03:36 AM   #3844
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I'm trying to run a script but getting message: "couldn't run a script, as there is no known postflop solver"
Few days ago I ran a script.. I don't know what is the problem now
Sadly you covered the most important part on the screenshot (when it says "connected to..." at the bottom of the viewer window.
Anyway, make sure to update to the newest version:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/piosolver-1-10

This problem shouldn't happen there. In the old version was caused if you were connected to the preflop browser (by for example by loading a preflop save). You work around it by connecting to postflop solver first by for example going to Solver->Connect at the top or just building a postflop tree first before running the script. Again, this is gone in the newest version so just update to that.
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:44 AM   #3845
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Before I ran script, I copy pasted Pio folder to other HDD so I had to reconnect. Thank you!

Btw, when pio runs, how many cores does it use? Just wondering will the sim be finished faster with CPU which has more cores or the one that has faster cores..
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Old 04-01-2018, 04:42 AM   #3846
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Running this setup across three machines in the office here. These are 100% dedicated to PIO and generally speaking not a problem to be had with them.

CPU – AMD Ryzen 1950x Threadripper ($699 – Microcenter.com Nov/2017)
Memory – 128GB G.SKILL TridentZ Series ($699 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Board – AsRock x399 Fataility ($449 – Microcenter Nov/2017)
Video – ASUS HD 6000 Radeon HD 6450 ($42 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Storage – SAMSUNG 850 PRO 2.5″ 512GB ($220 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Power – EVGA SuperNOVA 750 Gold ($110 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Case – Corsair C400 White ($94 – Microcenter.com Nov/2017)
Cooling – Enermax Liqtech TR4 ($154 – Newegg.com Dec/2017)

I wanted to rebuild this PC right now but it would cost like more than 3k to do this at the moment

biggest cost seems to be memory and CPU. Any suggestions?


Also punter, say I had to put building my new PC off. If I upgrade could I run pro on my laptop for now and then build the PC and still use it for both computers?

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Old 04-01-2018, 03:39 PM   #3847
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Left computer over night to run some scripts and now when I opened 2, they are solved to "exploitable of 2.8xx % and 3.9xxx" while in script settings I put 0,5. Might it be the problem that I used comma instead dot? (But still. why it would be exploitable to 2.8 and 3.9 then.. random?)
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Old 04-01-2018, 04:21 PM   #3848
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Btw, when pio runs, how many cores does it use? Just wondering will the sim be finished faster with CPU which has more cores or the one that has faster cores..
In general it's number of physical cores multiplied by the frequency. There is only a very slight performance penalty for having more cores (so 8 cores at 4Ghz are going to be only slightly faster than 16 cores at 2Ghz).
Please take into account that a pro version can only use 16 threads.

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I wanted to rebuild this PC right now but it would cost like more than 3k to do this at the moment
A lot of depends on your location and deals you can get. In general hardware is very expensive in Europe (because of VAT, shipping, labor cost) and way cheaper in US and other non-VAT countries.

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If I upgrade could I run pro on my laptop for now and then build the PC and still use it for both computers?
Yes, it's not a problem. You can move Pio licenses within reasonable limits for purposes like new computers, long travelling and some experimentation. It's also always possible to get the license back if it gets stuck for any reason (stolen/damaged computer, wiping the hard drive etc.). An edge license can be moved from computer to computer without any limits (which is useful when using cloud instances for example).

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Might it be the problem that I used comma instead dot?
Yes, we don't accept a comma as decimal separator.

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(But still. why it would be exploitable to 2.8 and 3.9 then.. random?)
I think 0,5 will be read as 5 (a comma is just a visual separator), it should be an error, we will add an error check at some point.
Make sure you understand a distinction between exploitable in chips and in % of the pot as well.
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Old 04-02-2018, 01:23 AM   #3849
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What about SSD? Did you see any difference between "normal" SSD or PCI-E? I was surprised yesterday after first time loading tree from HDD 5400rpm how slow it is

btw. in postflop subsets, there are numbers near board: 3sJdAs:1.67, 4s5s8d:0.97
What do these numbers mean? If I understood correctly, they are some weights.. but what weight means?
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Old 04-02-2018, 05:19 AM   #3850
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What about SSD? Did you see any difference between "normal" SSD or PCI-E? I was surprised yesterday after first time loading tree from HDD 5400rpm how slow it is
In general it won't matter for Pio as Pio doesn't use HDD/SSD during solving. If you make only small saves they load instantly anyway. It could only matter if you do full tree saves but as those are humongous it's likely a bad idea no matter how fast and big your drive is.
SSD is recommended for general computer experience though as it makes things way faster and smoother.

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btw. in postflop subsets, there are numbers near board: 3sJdAs:1.67, 4s5s8d:0.97
What do these numbers mean? If I understood correctly, they are some weights.. but what weight means?
They are relative probabilities (that is if something has 2x the weight it's twice as likely to occur). Those are used when calculating overall EVs/frequencies/strategies in multifile aggregation reports and when solving preflop they are used as well.
You could convert them to absolute probabilities (likelyhood of occuring) by first calculating the sum of all weights and then dividing every weight by that number. For example if you have:

AsKhQc: 1.5
7s7h5d: 2.0
Qs5s2h: 0.5

This is equivalent to:

AsKhQc: 0.375
7s7h5d: 0.5
Qs5s2h: 0.125
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