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I finished a preflop sim and there's some weird ev numbers with the hands

https://i.gyazo.com/9e2d217eef8cd889...e650bf206e.png

Here pio wants to jam 66-TT even though calling has higher ev?

https://i.gyazo.com/dadb012a772416ef...e9399d82c2.png

And here it's showing negative ev for flatting QQ+ and AKs.

Trees which contained preflop actions (other than folds) which became 0% over time were problematic in 1.9. This is fixed (or at least greatly mitigated) in 1.10. I've solved the tree overnight on 72 flops and it converged to 0.5bb/100. I will be pm'ing you the save as well (as I already have it).

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as an aside, I tried running this board on my intel build (i7 5820k) and it seems to not solve to a low accuracy:

I've just tried it with the newest 1.10.8 version (both solver and the viewer should be at 1.10.8) and it converges to 0.25% without problems. Are you on this version already?

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thank you, i will make sure my bios is updated. how do i limit the number of threads that pio uses?

Tools->Configuration->Behavior and it's near the top.

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fwiw, i tried running this script using Piosolver-edge-oldCPU solver, and the entire script ran with 0 issues (JJJ flop still won't run to full accuracy though), but the issue with computer crashing is no longer happening with oldcpu solver ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You are lucky in a sense. For most of our users who experience crashes with Ryzens they happen on both compiles. Usually lowering RAM frequency and running less threads mitigate the issue a bit. From what I've searched online for most people it's a bios update which fixes it. I encourage you to search a bit and make sure you have the exact bios version which is needed for your motherboard.

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01-11-2018 , 11:02 AM

#3527

aiRpurifier

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 555

This is what i read on the error log when i try to connect piowiever.exe

01/11/2018 16:55:49 Piosolver is malfunctioning. It didn't reply to is_ready.
Most likely there is a problem with windows preventing the solver executable from running.
Try following those steps:
1)close PioViewer
2)open PioSOLVER-version.exe (double click on it)
3)if there is any Windows pop-up uncheck 'ask every time at start' or check 'don't ask again'
4)once the solver console with a welcome string appears, close it
5)restart PioViewer, it should work smoothly from now on
01/11/2018 16:55:49 at fr.d(String A_0)
at b8.i(String A_0)
at is.s(String A_0, Boolean A_1)

01/11/2018 17:01:07 Access is denied
01/11/2018 17:01:07 at System.Diagnostics.Process.Kill()
at fr.d(String A_0)
at b8.i(String A_0)
at is.s(String A_0, Boolean A_1)

and this is what i read when i try to connect piosolverpro.exe

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01-11-2018 , 11:17 AM

#3528

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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and this is what i read when i try to connect piosolverpro.exe

I've answered your post above, with:

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Yeah, then we need you to email us with your key (preferably with the registered email as well) so we can check what went wrong there.

I need to know which license is yours to check if everything is ok there.

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01-11-2018 , 11:27 AM

#3529

aiRpurifier

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 555

I emailed you and reset activations.

I still couldnt connect to PIO with 1.10 version.
Then I tried to use old version and it worked after i enter my activation code.
But after I opened 1.10 version again, both of them dont work now.

I will email you license key.

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01-11-2018 , 11:41 AM

#3530

BetStack

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 172

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Originally Posted by punter11235

Running two Ryzen 1950x Threadripper setups; edge license, 128gb, overclocked, windows server, sub-2.0 bench, and they've been super stable.

On the setups we always have the latest bios releases, only overclock the CPU (4.0ghz), overclocking memory or tightening timings would lead to problems so only running XMP memory profile at most or even turning that off.

Enermax has a TR4 360 cooler which helped a TON keeping the CPU temperatures in-line and I think helps a ton.

In a few cases we are running more threads than OS default (44) as saw a super-tiny bump in speed (3.x%) and no change in stability. On other scripts there is no change in performance so I don't think this is an optimization but has not impacted stability.

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01-11-2018 , 12:14 PM

#3531

dfjkdfef

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 20

Would my laptop with 16gb ram (and an i5 if thats important) be able to use the preflop solver in these situations:

oop opens a fixed custom range (up to~40%), then ip 3ets also a fixed range (up to ~15%) and then start solving for oop

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01-11-2018 , 12:54 PM

#3532

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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I emailed you and reset activations.

Did you mention you have licensing problems?
We are getting a lot of emails per day so if you've just asked for a reset it would be reset along with many other requests from that day.
I need an email which will let me associate the problem described here with your license key. I apologize if it should have been clear. In that case please just re-send the email.

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Thanks for the info. Maybe we should try making recommendations about motherboard/RAM combo for Ryzens. Sadly my experience is that a lot of setups are unstable and it's hard to say what the reason is exactly (I think the first batch of Ryzens was just buggy but they supposedly fixed it later).

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Probably if you provide simplistic preflop play but I really don't recommend running a preflop solver on laptops (a lot of hours of nearly 100% CPU load really tests your cooling system and many laptops are quite bad at it in the first place) and only 16GB of RAM. You may be able to solve those limited trees but I don't recommend getting an edge license just for the purpose of running it on this limited subset of cases.

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01-11-2018 , 03:26 PM

#3533

coriolis31415

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 21

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Originally Posted by BetStack

Yeah I have the enermax tr4 cooler, getting could temps around 55-60c while solving with occasional jumps to high 60s.

I have ASRock fatality mobo on latest bios with 128gb gskill trident z rgb memory. It's rated at 2933, but it seemed to want to run at a lower speed and I changed xmp to run at the rated speed. I'm gonna try letting it run at the lower speed and see if that helps.

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01-11-2018 , 06:25 PM

#3534

johnnys51

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1

downloaded free version and updated netframework. pio freezes on startup(black startup screen opens and that is it) I'm running win7 premium

Last edited by johnnys51; 01-11-2018 at 06:40 PM.

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01-11-2018 , 06:45 PM

#3535

21Tomas21

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 16

Hello, I got a new PC , how can I transfer my pio to new PC, because i cant use my code on the new one

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01-11-2018 , 09:48 PM

#3536

Kuma

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 15

Hi is there an option to only allow solver to solve 1/2 or 1/1(rounding) for each combo? Would the results of that solution be the same as are if i round solution I get now? And also is strategy after rounding unexploitable under "rules" each players can only do 0/100 with each combo, and the only way to exploit it, would be to allow solver to use more options?

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01-12-2018 , 03:06 AM

#3537

Novembersdoom

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 54

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Originally Posted by punter11235

It's in fact a bug. I missed one particular case when removing actions from the tree. It will be fixed ASAP (most likely tomorrow morning).

Excuse me, but it's been a week since my bug report and your reply. And there is no update so far.

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01-12-2018 , 09:09 AM

#3538

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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downloaded free version and updated netframework. pio freezes on startup(black startup screen opens and that is it) I'm running win7 premium

You need to start PioViewerFree.exe then follow the quick start guide, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqGQoQKbCB8

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Hello, I got a new PC , how can I transfer my pio to new PC, because i cant use my code on the new one

You need to reset a license on your old computer first and then activate it on a new one.
You can do it yourself, like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozjfnatwms (question number 3)

If you don't have access to it anymore please email us with your registration key and in case of pro/edge licenses approximate date of the activation (so we know if it's the earlier or the latter one).

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Hi is there an option to only allow solver to solve 1/2 or 1/1(rounding) for each combo?

There isn't. You can round after solving though.

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Would the results of that solution be the same as are if i round solution I get now?

For most cases it would be different but still very exploitable.

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And also is strategy after rounding unexploitable under "rules" each players can only do 0/100 with each combo, and the only way to exploit it, would be to allow solver to use more options?

Max exploit strategies are always pure (not mixed) so that rule wouldn't change exploitability.

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Excuse me, but it's been a week since my bug report and your reply. And there is no update so far.

I am sorry, I fixed it in dev but there are several minor issues as well so I wanted to bundle the fixes together in the next release.
I plan to make 1.10.9 version available over the weekend.

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01-12-2018 , 07:24 PM

#3539

LeonardSkinner

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 14

Hi guys, how long does it take more or less to solve a hand tree with 4 bet sizings per street with Piosolver pro?

Thank you

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01-12-2018 , 08:54 PM

#3540

coriolis31415

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 21

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Originally Posted by LeonardSkinner

Hi guys, how long does it take more or less to solve a hand tree with 4 bet sizings per street with Piosolver pro?

Thank you

would completely depend on what kind of machine you're running it on

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01-13-2018 , 10:49 AM

#3541

HappyLuckBox

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,491

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Originally Posted by coriolis31415

That's really fantastic temps for your enermax tr4. Mine's gets temps up to on average 64c-68c pretty regularly unfortunately, I wonder what the reason for the discrepancy might be.

Am also using 128gb of ram, overclocked to 2933mhz however. What case are you using? I noticed my corsair 570x front panel blocks some airflow to the enermax rad and removing it usually gets me about 4c lower.

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01-13-2018 , 11:04 AM

#3542

dfjkdfef

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 20

is it not possible to buy piocloud solutions atm? If yes, is there a date when it will be possible again?

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01-13-2018 , 01:28 PM

#3543

HappyLuckBox

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,491

Having some issues grasping a concept about which hands make the best hands to attempt to push villian off a chop on a 4 straight board. For example, say on the river, we have TT, and the board reads 9872Jr

Say action goes, hero bets 1/3psb $400 into $1200 otr, vilian raises to $1500, and we 3bet jam river for $5000.

I always thought TT made the best hand for this play for hero, because we block half the combos of QT. However, it seems Pio prefers 3betting otr more with JT, T9, T8, and even AT or KT, while simply calling with TT. This seems really counter intuitive to me. Why not utilize TT, which has the best blockers to the nuts?

Finally what really confuses me the most is that vs the $5000 3bet river jam from hero, Pio then says villian should prefer calling with QT (obv) and pretty much every combo of Tx, Except for TT. In fact, it favors folding TT, which I find really bizarre.

Here's pio's grid for Hero's strategy for 3bet jamming river, you can see it doesn't really like 3betting TT much.

And here's pio's grid for Villians strategy for defending against the 3bet jam otr. Why does it call every combo of Tx, except for the best combo which blocks QT the most, TT?

Here's the tree

Code:

#TreeBuilding#V2
#Range0#AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99,88,77,66,55,44,33:0.45,AK,AQ,AJ,ATs,A9s,A8s,A7s,A6s:0.35,A5s,A4s:0.75,A3s:0.2,KQ,KJs,KJo:0.4,KTs,K9s,K8s:0.5,K7s:0.4,K6s:0.15,QJs,QJo:0.2,QTs,Q9s,JTs,J9s,T9s,T8s,98s:0.75,87s:0.7,76s:0.83,65s:0.45,54s:0.25
#Range1#QQ:0.12,JJ:0.52,TT:0.735,99:0.852,88:0.898,77:0.9,66:0.914,55:0.95,44:0.97,33:0.982,22,AKo:0.45,AQs:0.2,AQo,AJs:0.8,AJo:0.886,ATs:0.83,ATo:0.696,A9s:0.85,A9o:0.51,A8s:0.85,A7s:0.76,A6s:0.67,A5s:0.8,A4s:0.78,A3s:0.86,A2s:0.97,KQs:0.738,KQo:0.835,KJs:0.582,KJo:0.875,KTs:0.767,KTo:0.49,K9s:0.932,K8s:0.886,K7s:0.851,K6s:0.829,K5s:0.897,K4s:0.851,K3s:0.955,K2s:0.902,QJs:0.6,QJo:0.727,QTs:0.9,QTo:0.69,Q9s:0.95,Q8s:0.7,Q7s:0.35,Q6s:0.65,Q5s:0.58,Q4s:0.2,JTs:0.811,JTo:0.65,J9s:0.935,J8s:0.85,J7s:0.73,T9s:0.741,T9o:0.25,T8s:0.909,T7s:0.83,T6s:0.4,98s:0.912,98o:0.075,97s:0.928,96s:0.814,87s:0.8,86s:0.965,85s:0.834,76s:0.766,75s:0.96,74s:0.75,65s:0.8,64s:0.941,63s:0.35,54s:0.855,53s:0.25,52s:0.2,43s:0.75,42s:0.2,32s:0.5
#Board#9s 8s 7d
#Pot#500
#EffectiveStacks#4760
#AllinThreshold#80
#AddAllinOnlyIfLessThanThisTimesThePot#500
#MinimumBetsize#0
#UseUnifiedBetAfterRaise#False
#UnifiedBetAfterRaise#
#UseUnifiedRaiseAfterRaise#False
#UnifiedRaiseAfterRaise#
#ForceIPBet#False
#ForceOOPBet#False
#Cap#4
#CapEnabled#True
#CapMode#NoLimit
#RemovedLines#
#ExtraLines#
#FlopConfig.BetSize#33 65
#FlopConfig.RaiseSize#60
#FlopConfig.AddAllin#False
#FlopConfig.DonkBetSize#
#TurnConfig.BetSize#33 65
#TurnConfig.RaiseSize#60
#TurnConfig.AddAllin#True
#TurnConfig.DonkBetSize#50
#RiverConfig.BetSize#33 65 100
#RiverConfig.RaiseSize#60
#RiverConfig.AddAllin#True
#RiverConfig.DonkBetSize#50
#FlopConfigIP.BetSize#33 65
#FlopConfigIP.RaiseSize#60
#FlopConfigIP.AddAllin#False
#FlopConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#TurnConfigIP.BetSize#33 65
#TurnConfigIP.RaiseSize#60
#TurnConfigIP.AddAllin#True
#TurnConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#RiverConfigIP.BetSize#33 65 100
#RiverConfigIP.RaiseSize#60
#RiverConfigIP.AddAllin#True
#RiverConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#Rake.Cap#0
#Rake.Fraction#0
#Rake.Enabled#False
#ICM.Enabled#False
#ICM.Stacks#
#ICM.Payouts#

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01-13-2018 , 02:10 PM

#3544

Smarty_Mcduff

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 49

Hey Im trying to run some pre flop stuff and Im wondering is it possible to run the tree for a set length of time and then save the tree and continue running it at another time to give the hardware a break?

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01-13-2018 , 08:33 PM

#3545

LeonardSkinner

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 14

Hi, I bought piosolver pro today, and I have a doubt. How can I let the computer run 100 flops while I'm sleeping? I click on generate script, 100 random flops, I select everything, I click on run script, and then what?

Thank you for your help.

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01-14-2018 , 01:15 AM

#3546

coriolis31415

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 21

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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox

it def depends what i'm solving...when running monker sims it's in low 60s usually. for some reason pio sims it seems to generally stay a little lower by a few degrees.

i have the phanteks enthoo pro m
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-042-_-Product

changing my fan configuration slightly. i changed the stock enermax fans to noctua, and am adding a second intake on the front of the case. will report back in a few days with new temps once the new fans get here.

yeah that corsair case, although it looks amazing, is def not known for low temps. it generally has higher temps across benchmark tests when comparing to other cases. i was actually looking at that case, but was concerned about temps cause i knew i'd be running a ton of sims and wanted to overclock, so went with something that had better airflow.

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01-14-2018 , 04:47 AM

#3547

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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Hi guys, how long does it take more or less to solve a hand tree with 4 bet sizings per street with Piosolver pro?

You can try it with a free version. It solves one flop (Qs Jh 2h) and any betting structure you want.

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is it not possible to buy piocloud solutions atm? If yes, is there a date when it will be possible again?

No promises but they will likely be available at the end of January.

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Unfortunately this doesn't work exactly as it should but you may just stop the solver, make a full save (this will be very big, as big as the tree in RAM). Later you can load it and continue solving. This *should* work decently.

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Then just wait. Make sure to check the FAQ on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhG_YsEvfwU (question number 6, link in the video description)

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01-14-2018 , 05:58 AM

#3548

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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This is a nice question. I solved the tree to pretty good accuracy (0.05%) using other algorithm in my dev version and the results match yours so it's not an antic of our algorithm or anything.

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I always thought TT made the best hand for this play for hero, because we block half the combos of QT. However, it seems Pio prefers 3betting otr more with JT, T9, T8, and even AT or KT, while simply calling with TT. This seems really counter intuitive to me. Why not utilize TT, which has the best blockers to the nuts?

Yeah it makes sense intuitively

The equities and EVs are really close as well so there wouldn't be that much difference if you choose other combos the the 3bet bluff.
I tried doing a bit more research by cutting the river part of the tree (you can do that with "create subtree configuration" option and solving the river itself to almost exact equilibrium but that doesn't change results either. The config is here if you would like to re-run:

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#TreeBuilding#V2
#Range0#AdAc:0.0219419003,AhAc:0.0070840558,AsAc:0.660483897,AhAd:0.0073260814,AsAd:0.660220802,AsAh:0.675516725,KdKc:0.880723238,KhKc:0.723196805,KsKc:0.780178428,KhKd:0.830456674,KsKd:0.851661086,KsKh:0.779956222,QdQc:0.924114227,QhQc:0.898507893,QsQc:0.964862883,QhQd:0.925129056,QsQd:0.966405392,QsQh:0.963846266,JdJc:0.909975171,JhJc:0.91582042,JsJc:0.728330135,JhJd:0.910799205,JsJd:0.712088525,JsJh:0.729773879,TdTc:0.775788963,ThTc:0.811564088,TsTc:0.728380919,ThTd:0.770951807,TsTd:0.771416247,TsTh:0.735465467,9d9c:0.715767741,9h9c:0.6375615,9h9d:0.717788756,8d8c:0.512037694,8h8c:0.397080541,8h8d:0.503825366,7h7c:0.256605595,7s7c:0.684454322,7s7h:0.688322961,6s6c:0.0485383198,6s6d:0.0318844467,6s6h:0.0502031185,3s3d:0.3062796,AsKs:0.262039632,AcKs:0.0776879415,AdKs:0.110365152,AhKs:0.144671917,AsQs:0.457934678,AcQd:0.087693803,AcQh:0.194576994,AcQs:0.303382009,AdQc:0.189767286,AdQh:0.195012957,AdQs:0.307962418,AhQc:0.193566829,AhQd:0.192249998,AhQs:0.225977659,AsQc:0.601935804,AsQd:0.683414221,AsQh:0.592403591,AcJc:0.504177392,AdJd:0.656130195,AhJh:0.513765454,AsJs:0.929394066,AcJd:0.458968312,AcJh:0.509694219,AcJs:0.511149466,AdJc:0.368438423,AdJh:0.370998681,AdJs:0.650786281,AhJc:0.52207166,AhJd:0.463068247,AhJs:0.502039731,AsJc:0.849502981,AsJd:0.853805244,AsJh:0.848157823,AcTc:0.189572379,AdTd:0.160405576,AhTh:0.158684969,AsTs:0.583479285,Ac9c:0.807374239,Ad9d:0.870411694,Ah9h:0.783534646,Ac8c:0.357970029,Ad8d:0.377508879,Ah8h:0.338545591,Ac7c:0.00126288924,As7s:0.233469725,Ac6c:0.265112817,Ad6d:0.29027912,Ah6h:0.262129992,As6s:0.248190403,Ac5c:0.105496109,Ad5d:0.110499047,Ah5h:0.0913464278,As5s:0.708200991,As4s:0.511106312,As3s:0.150297612,KsQs:0.932142138,KcQs:0.734622419,KdQc:0.0178974755,KdQh:0.021556396,KdQs:0.868325889,KhQd:0.0500954166,KhQs:0.781119525,KsQc:0.830636978,KsQd:0.812657475,KsQh:0.825406432,KcJc:0.407478809,KdJd:0.654949009,KhJh:0.442079276,KsJs:0.650965929,KcJd:0.288416654,KcJh:0.309941977,KcJs:0.329607219,KdJc:0.180284858,KdJh:0.167445391,KdJs:0.384658694,KhJc:0.328122437,KhJd:0.312596947,KhJs:0.329607517,KsJc:0.369938135,KsJd:0.379353136,KsJh:0.369674295,KcTc:0.899984837,KdTd:0.91113919,KhTh:0.915904284,KsTs:0.651771903,Kc9c:0.691018939,Kd9d:0.734485984,Kh9h:0.694270015,Kc8c:0.0255194269,Kd8d:0.0401706845,Kh8h:0.0225690603,Kc6c:0.0951631889,Kd6d:0.0747317374,Kh6h:0.0981293768,Ks6s:0.0783317536,QcJc:0.899931788,QdJd:0.88927418,QhJh:0.89573282,QsJs:0.459242582,QcJd:0.166781634,QcJh:0.19323121,QcJs:0.118113592,QdJc:0.187390223,QdJh:0.192950368,QdJs:0.131056845,QhJc:0.193230033,QhJd:0.168853283,QhJs:0.115756646,QsJc:0.190919399,QsJd:0.194362909,QsJh:0.190921172,QcTc:0.752147794,QdTd:0.765352309,QhTh:0.753096998,QsTs:0.785680592,Qc9c:0.170938432,Qd9d:0.16846697,Qh9h:0.17671068,JcTc:0.825696886,JdTd:0.806214213,JhTh:0.826547205,JsTs:0.611718476,Jc9c:0.452726424,Jd9d:0.493313789,Jh9h:0.446383297,Tc9c:0.621301234,Td9d:0.616867423,Th9h:0.619497657,Tc8c:0.0307270754,Td8d:0.0458396636,Th8h:0.0325724892,9c8c:0.399849266,9d8d:0.419664353,9h8h:0.402422786,8c7c:0.351563573,8h7h:0.355463862,7c6c:0.445228219,7h6h:0.445012242,7s6s:0.614300489,6c5c:0.176719964,6d5d:0.203265235,6h5h:0.175940439,6s5s:0.109716542,5s4s:0.110275984
#Range1#QdQc:0.0799035281,QhQc:0.0353561565,QsQc:0.0498377867,QhQd:0.0799040422,QsQd:0.0521241426,QsQh:0.049837783,JsJc:0.0163502507,JsJd:0.0926097259,JsJh:0.0190844629,TdTc:0.465497673,ThTc:0.374448806,TsTc:0.362318307,ThTd:0.468162715,TsTd:0.318042099,TsTh:0.365964472,9d9c:0.19500497,9h9c:0.029605072,9h9d:0.194743216,8d8c:0.412894875,8h8c:0.122235924,8h8d:0.412893206,7h7c:0.127850324,7s7c:0.467168957,7s7h:0.467169881,6d6c:0.913999915,6h6c:0.913999975,6s6c:0.913947046,6h6d:0.913999975,6s6d:0.913955748,6s6h:0.913949788,5d5c:0.0302826688,5s5c:0.65058291,5h5d:0.140395358,5s5d:0.920912862,5s5h:0.711987913,2h2d:0.125510737,2s2d:0.47782743,2s2h:0.0646906719,AcKd:0.449999988,AcKh:0.449999958,AcKs:0.449999988,AdKc:0.449999988,AdKh:0.449999988,AdKs:0.449999958,AhKc:0.449999988,AhKd:0.449999988,AhKs:0.449999928,AsKc:0.449999988,AsKd:0.449999988,AsKh:0.449999988,AdQd:0.0255604293,AsQs:0.199921489,AcQd:0.239652783,AcQh:0.0442856103,AcQs:0.167088702,AdQc:0.0422793254,AdQs:0.141014844,AhQc:0.000478416972,AhQd:0.089952454,AhQs:0.137463391,AcJc:0.13208802,AdJd:0.486430645,AhJh:0.111672454,AsJs:0.406383604,AcJd:0.157404616,AcJh:0.143110394,AcJs:0.453653961,AdJc:0.0056119943,AdJs:0.353675455,AhJc:0.139644742,AhJd:0.139719307,AhJs:0.441163957,AsJc:0.232482284,AsJd:0.255033076,AsJh:0.234325171,AcTc:0.166619211,AdTd:0.144794971,AhTh:0.164131582,AcTd:0.386920989,AcTh:0.69599998,AcTs:0.125647515,AdTc:0.477006018,AdTh:0.477006733,AdTs:0.121452175,AhTc:0.69599998,AhTd:0.386919469,AhTs:0.133509278,AsTc:0.0774853751,AsTd:0.0803400874,AsTh:0.0705890357,Ac9c:0.792409778,Ad9d:0.731598377,Ah9h:0.792413831,Ac9d:0.500296772,Ac9h:0.484103173,Ad9c:0.509986877,Ad9h:0.509986877,Ah9c:0.484100074,Ah9d:0.500296652,As9c:0.476928473,As9d:0.478250444,As9h:0.476931959,Ac8c:0.850000024,Ad8d:0.849999964,Ah8h:0.850000024,Ac7c:0.75999999,Ah7h:0.75999999,As7s:0.759963036,Ad6d:0.0504573733,As5s:0.0795775428,As4s:0.0963536203,As3s:0.165015325,Ad2d:0.153490245,Ah2h:0.830964684,As2s:0.390399903,KsQs:0.34248817,KsJs:0.0486603826,KcTc:0.35139069,KdTd:0.149680719,KhTh:0.347628504,KcTd:0.269612551,KcTh:0.273412913,KcTs:0.107111275,KdTc:0.261020392,KdTh:0.261022419,KdTs:0.189073443,KhTc:0.273412764,KhTd:0.269612163,KhTs:0.112977147,KsTc:0.107420214,KsTd:0.0329438001,KsTh:0.111828856,Kc9c:0.931999981,Kd9d:0.930833519,Kh9h:0.931999981,Kc8c:0.885999918,Kd8d:0.886000097,Kh8h:0.885999978,Kc7c:0.850999951,Kh7h:0.851000011,Ks7s:0.716454566,Ks5s:0.132136598,Ks4s:0.089714475,Ks3s:0.267931223,Kh2h:0.629636288,Ks2s:0.631691396,QcJc:0.260306358,QdJd:0.16884245,QhJh:0.264923722,QsJs:0.271768421,QcJd:0.193138987,QcJh:0.150717378,QcJs:0.142024234,QdJc:0.210995466,QdJh:0.208187655,QdJs:0.165160611,QhJc:0.153890565,QhJd:0.184554666,QhJs:0.143815413,QsJc:0.102475621,QsJd:0.0936532542,QsJh:0.10074833,QcTc:0.585057318,QdTd:0.326690316,QhTh:0.584542215,QsTs:0.0367327295,QcTd:0.268105119,QcTh:0.0985839292,QcTs:0.138103843,QdTc:0.328086764,QdTh:0.329853058,QdTs:0.109219618,QhTc:0.0985834077,QhTd:0.268104166,QhTs:0.137203202,QsTc:0.172776133,QsTd:0.125106305,QsTh:0.175871,Qc9c:0.949999928,Qd9d:0.944416583,Qh9h:0.949999988,Qc8c:0.699999988,Qd8d:0.699999988,Qh8h:0.699999988,Qc7c:0.349999994,Qh7h:0.349999964,Qs7s:0.249374837,Qs6s:0.036803294,Qs5s:0.271187156,Qs4s:0.0784261823,JcTc:0.0361940227,JdTd:0.0139926337,JhTh:0.0356750973,JcTd:0.0277524926,JcTh:0.0422813632,JcTs:0.00534590939,JdTc:0.0542858727,JdTh:0.052935306,JhTc:0.0432710946,JhTd:0.0282778721,JhTs:0.00401936471,JsTc:0.0903524235,JsTd:0.040920224,JsTh:0.0947995633,Jc9c:0.787126303,Jd9d:0.616536736,Jh9h:0.78522712,Jc8c:0.800435901,Jd8d:0.716161072,Jh8h:0.801263988,Jc7c:0.719347119,Jh7h:0.718079448,Js7s:0.652256131,Tc9c:0.586380482,Td9d:0.300904632,Th9h:0.58689487,Tc9d:0.243050769,Tc9h:0.243581295,Td9c:0.25,Td9h:0.248699352,Th9c:0.243578225,Th9d:0.243281305,Ts9c:0.065957509,Ts9d:0.127940089,Ts9h:0.0659576505,Tc8c:0.79643029,Td8d:0.621307254,Th8h:0.796434522,Tc7c:0.829999983,Th7h:0.829999983,Ts7s:0.0351964422,9c8c:0.459295541,9d8d:0.384960681,9h8h:0.459704459,9c8d:0.075000003,9c8h:0.0218962803,9d8c:0.0587586425,9d8h:0.0596787073,9h8c:0.0218964648,9h8d:0.075000003,9c7c:0.66700995,9h7h:0.668178737,9c6c:0.570212662,9d6d:0.389172256,9h6h:0.57021153,8c7c:0.688345253,8h7h:0.688887775,8c6c:0.548152149,8d6d:0.285221964,8h6h:0.55090034,8c5c:0.590128362,8d5d:0.630100429,8h5h:0.58896023,7c6c:0.514640272,7h6h:0.514899433,7c5c:0.733046293,7h5h:0.731464744,7s5s:0.322755754,7c4c:0.749997616,7h4h:0.749997675,7s4s:0.428861856,6s4s:0.2501643,6s3s:0.198001832,5s4s:0.80847919,5s3s:0.247475281,5s2s:0.200000003,4s3s:0.561779618,4s2s:0.200000003,3s2s:0.5
#Board#9s 8s 7d 2c Jd
#Pot#1150
#EffectiveStacks#4435
#AllinThreshold#80
#AddAllinOnlyIfLessThanThisTimesThePot#500
#MinimumBetsize#0
#UseUnifiedBetAfterRaise#False
#UnifiedBetAfterRaise#
#UseUnifiedRaiseAfterRaise#False
#UnifiedRaiseAfterRaise#
#ForceIPBet#False
#ForceOOPBet#False
#Cap#4
#CapEnabled#True
#CapMode#NoLimit
#RemovedLines#
#ExtraLines#
#FlopConfig.BetSize#33 65
#FlopConfig.RaiseSize#60
#FlopConfig.AddAllin#False
#FlopConfig.DonkBetSize#
#TurnConfig.BetSize#33 65
#TurnConfig.RaiseSize#60
#TurnConfig.AddAllin#True
#TurnConfig.DonkBetSize#50
#RiverConfig.BetSize#33 65 100
#RiverConfig.RaiseSize#60
#RiverConfig.AddAllin#True
#RiverConfig.DonkBetSize#50
#FlopConfigIP.BetSize#33 65
#FlopConfigIP.RaiseSize#60
#FlopConfigIP.AddAllin#False
#FlopConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#TurnConfigIP.BetSize#33 65
#TurnConfigIP.RaiseSize#60
#TurnConfigIP.AddAllin#True
#TurnConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#RiverConfigIP.BetSize#33 65 100
#RiverConfigIP.RaiseSize#60
#RiverConfigIP.AddAllin#True
#RiverConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#Rake.Cap#0
#Rake.Fraction#0
#Rake.Enabled#False
#ICM.Enabled#False
#ICM.Stacks#0
#ICM.Payouts#0

After combo-locking TT to always raise the solver in fact shows IP can adjust to that to get more EV.
It looks like suit distribution is important. If you look at the EVs then you will see raise with ThTd and TdTc is better than a call but we don't have those in our range (they don't bet 380 on the river, they make a bigger bet).

This is difficult to make sense of. I tried but wasn't able to find any intuitive pattern unfortuntely.

Last edited by punter11235; 01-14-2018 at 06:14 AM.

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01-14-2018 , 06:35 AM

#3549

punter11235

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

1.10.9 version is now available.
This is a bugfix for issues most people won't experience. Some better diagnostics and error messages were added as well.

Please update when you have a moment but it's not urgent to do so.

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01-14-2018 , 09:58 AM

#3550

Lanky

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8

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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox

I think (not got this completely straight in my head) this has to do with the fact that villain's calling range *only* includes hands with at least one ten. Therefore having the extra blocker doesn't skew villains calling range away from QT - it actually skews towards hands with a single ten because your extra ten blocks a greater % of villain TT hands (2/3) than Tx (4/12).

Essentially you want villain to have a greater % of TT in their calling range and, when calling, villain wants hero to have a greater % of TT in the bluffing range. It's a tiny adjustment but I think that might be at least something to do with it.

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