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07-08-2015 , 01:13 PM
My best guess is this:
http://i.imgur.com/i1RNiOZ.png

but it's hard to say without full tree config, which you can get by clicking "copy to clipboard" in tree-building tab. Then you can copy-paste it like this:

Code:
#TreeBuilding#V2
#Range0#AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99,88,77:0.15,66:0.15,55:0.15,44:0.15,33:0.15,22:0.15,AK,AQ,AJ,ATs,A9s,A8s,A5s:0.5,A4s:0.5,A3s:0.5,A2s:0.5,KQ,KJs,KTs,K9s,QJs,QTs,Q9s,Q8s:0.25,JTs,JTo:0.35,J9s,J8s,J7s:0.25,T9s,T9o:0.35,T8s,T7s:0.5,T6s:0.25,98s,98o:0.35,97s,96s:0.5,95s:0.25,87s,87o:0.35,86s:0.75,85s:0.5,84s:0.25,76s:0.75,76o:0.35,75s:0.75,74s:0.5,73s:0.25,65s:0.75,65o:0.35,64s:0.5,63s:0.5,54s:0.75,54o:0.35,53s:0.5,52s:0.5,43s:0.5,42s:0.5,32s:0.5
#Range1#AA:0.25,KK:0.25,QQ:0.01,JJ:0.01,TT:0.03,99,88,77,66,55,44,33,22,AKs:0.01,AKo:0.03,AQs:0.03,AQo:0.5,AJs:0.5,AJo,AT,A9,A8,A7,A6,A5,A4,A3s,A2s,KQ,KJ,KT,K9,K8,K7s,K6s,K5s,K4s,K3s,K2s,QJ,QT,Q9,Q8s,Q7s,Q6s,Q5s,Q4s,Q3s,Q2s,JT,J9,J8s,J7s,J6s,J5s,J4s,T9,T8,T7s,T6s,98,97s,96s,95s,87s,86s,85s,84s,76s,75s,74s,73s,65s,64s,63s,54s,53s,52s:0.5,43s,42s:0.5
#Board#As Kd Th 2d
#Pot#180
#EffectiveStacks#910
#AllinThreshold#67
#AddAllinOnlyIfLessThanThisTimesThePot#500
#MinimumBetsize#0
#UseUnifiedBetAfterRaise#False
#UnifiedBetAfterRaise#
#ForceIPBet#False
#ForceOOPBet#False
#Cap#0
#UseCap#False
#FlopConfig.BetSize#
#FlopConfig.RaiseSize#
#FlopConfig.AddAllin#False
#FlopConfig.IncludeDonk#False
#TurnConfig.BetSize#65
#TurnConfig.RaiseSize#2.5x
#TurnConfig.AddAllin#False
#TurnConfig.IncludeDonk#True
#RiverConfig.BetSize#75
#RiverConfig.RaiseSize#3x
#RiverConfig.AddAllin#False
#RiverConfig.IncludeDonk#True
#FlopConfigIP.BetSize#
#FlopConfigIP.RaiseSize#
#FlopConfigIP.AddAllin#False
#FlopConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#TurnConfigIP.BetSize#65
#TurnConfigIP.RaiseSize#2.5x
#TurnConfigIP.AddAllin#False
#TurnConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
#RiverConfigIP.BetSize#75
#RiverConfigIP.RaiseSize#3x
#RiverConfigIP.AddAllin#False
#RiverConfigIP.Dont3bet#False
and to load it yourself, copy it, then Tools->paste tree building config from clipboard

Note, that while it took 5 seconds to solve to 0.1% on my system (on the screenshot above), it will probably be slower in your free version as it didn't get upgraded to 1.4 yet (but it will be in few days).
It's true that the checkbox has a misleading name for turn cases. It should be: "either after calling previous street or if it's first action in the tree".

If that doesn't solve the problem, let me know.
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07-08-2015 , 01:24 PM
Checking those boxes seems to have fixed it, cool thanks. Results look much more as expected now.
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07-09-2015 , 08:53 AM
Hello,

I've made a mistake 3 days ago with PioSOLVER-basic update and a small group of our customers didn't get the email. I've sent the emails now. If you don't receive it and/or you need some help with settings things up, let me know!
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07-09-2015 , 07:31 PM
Hello punter,

one suggestion for a feature to make your program even more awesome are equity graphs, such as



or



(Credit: Will Tipton's EHUNL, vol. #1)

Those kind of graphs would make it easily visible how the ranges are distributed, and (additionally to the Range Explorer) help explain why certain plays are made by PioSolver. Thanks for considering it

P.S.: Feedback by other users regarding this feature request encouraged !
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07-10-2015 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by +VLFBERH+T
Those kind of graphs would make it easily visible how the ranges are distributed, and (additionally to the Range Explorer) help explain why certain plays are made by PioSolver. Thanks for considering it

P.S.: Feedback by other users regarding this feature request encouraged!
+1 I would also like to have this feature in the range explorer, but a simple python script for converting PioSolver's range format to EDVIS would be great as well (I would do it myself if I could do it quicly, but I haven't done any programming in five years). He uses a standard matrix format for the ranges.

Here is a link to the software (EDVIS) Will Tipton made (see Extras at the bottom of the page): http://www.dandbpoker.com/product/ex...oldem-volume-1
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07-10-2015 , 08:29 AM
+1 for equity graphs!
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07-10-2015 , 09:18 AM
I don't get this thing with equity, isn't that an old concept we used when it was the only thing we could compute easily? Why see that a lot of junk hands still have some equity that they will not realize?

What matters is ev or equity multiplied by capture factor as explained by Will Tipton in EHUNL.II, and PioSolver knows how to compute evs in seconds, so +1 for ev graphs.
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07-10-2015 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by X0RR0
I don't get this thing with equity, isn't that an old concept we used when it was the only thing we could compute easily? Why see that a lot of junk hands still have some equity that they will not realize?

What matters is ev or equity multiplied by capture factor as explained by Will Tipton in EHUNL.II, and PioSolver knows how to compute evs in seconds, so +1 for ev graphs.
Will Tipton uses equity graphs extensively in his books.
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07-10-2015 , 10:01 AM
I agree that using EV graphs is better on earlier streets, but equity graphs are useful and having it together with an EV graph in the same plot adds value to the EV graph. Equity graphs alone is also very useful on the river.

Capture factor is only EV/pot-size and is a fine way for getting standardized values independent of the pot size, but doesn't add much value beyond that compared to EV.

Last edited by Kalupso; 07-10-2015 at 10:12 AM.
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07-10-2015 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by +VLFBERH+T
Hello punter,

one suggestion for a feature to make your program even more awesome are equity graphs,

Those kind of graphs would make it easily visible how the ranges are distributed, and (additionally to the Range Explorer) help explain why certain plays are made by PioSolver. Thanks for considering it

P.S.: Feedback by other users regarding this feature request encouraged !
+1
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07-10-2015 , 02:47 PM
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Can you add in "Select Range" option/button Invert Matrix?
You mean like this:
http://i.imgur.com/PDFtdZ4.gif ?

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one suggestion for a feature to make your program even more awesome are equity graphs
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+1 for equity graphs!
This is a very nice feature, noted!

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+1 I would also like to have this feature in the range explorer, but a simple python script for converting PioSolver's range format to EDVIS would be great as well
It's probably wiser for us to invest the time into making our own but Python script should be relatively straightforward as it's easy to log all the results to file.
If someone is willing to give it a shot and need some help pm me but first read the documentation of the solver text interface here:

http://piosolver.com/pages/text-interface-scripting
(line to a .pdf is at the bottom)

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I don't get this thing with equity, isn't that an old concept we used when it was the only thing we could compute easily? Why see that a lot of junk hands still have some equity that they will not realize?
Well, equity is useful for some things. For example it's a good sanity check: if you are looking at a rive calling range it's good to see if equity and pot-odds add up to the strategies the solver shows (they do!).
Other than that there is this interesting concept of equity realization or "how much a hand really makes comparing to its equity". We already show it like here:



So for example on this screenshot (it's a 3bet pot in position against a cbet) a set of 222 makes 318.4% of its equity, top two pair 261% but things which fold the flop close to 0.

I always thought that's what people mean by "capture factor" but apparently I was out of the loop with the poker lingo as:

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Capture factor is only EV/pot-size
I thought capture factor = equity realization but I see I was wrong about my definitions. We show "capture factor" (or equity as % of the pot) in the range explorer to make it the same unit for equity/ev/equity realization.

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+1
Yeah, I get it. There will be graphs
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07-10-2015 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
It's probably wiser for us to invest the time into making our own
Indeed.

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Yeah, I get it. There will be graphs
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07-10-2015 , 05:44 PM
would love a mac version!
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07-10-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235


Yeah, I get it. There will be graphs
Equity graphs for future board cards please!!! so we can see the way Eq changes on different turns and rivers and focus our study on the most relevant ones!

Another feature that will be awesome would be to have a range builder similar to the Range explorer range but for node locking so we can set up the players strategy for calculating MES or MinES I've asked some other users and they agree that this would be very handy.

Lastly I know I mentioned this before and I'm sure you have tons of work and have different priorities but I'm making a wrap up here for other people that might be interested.

And here a few minor sugestions for the GUI

is is possible to make a few changes to the range selector http://clip2net.com/s/3kzNjAj to make it a bit more easy to use, like maybe adding a "-" and a "+" button to the begining and the end of the slider so by clicking on it I can add 1 more hand to the range (acording to the hand ranking) or remove one hand for example here in this range the last next hand to be added is 33 so the + button will add that hand and J9s is the last hand so the - button will remove it

also it will be very useful to be able to enter the % I want, for example if I click on the % shown at the bottom right to be able to manually change that number, and/or select the total combos I want to be in the range like in the weight selector that has the option of manually entering the number
same goes for the weight selector, the + and - buttons will be very handy for 5% increases in the slider
also I'll like to know if is possible for me to determine my own hand ranking and so make the slider increase the hands on the grid acording to that ranking.

Tools->configuration->show total combos in range boxes on the 13x13 grid is a pretty cool feature, might be a bit more handy to access it with a hot key, like pressing tab while on the range selector so you can toggle between combos and % so users can take a quick look at combos and the switch back.

Thank you very much!

I'm a Pro user and I recommend this software to anyone who is serious on taking their game to the next level, Pio is not just an amazing tool, it is also evolving at a very high peace and as for now is way ahead of the competition plus you get the best customer support!

Cheers!
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07-10-2015 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by M_Acevedo
[B]I'm a Pro user and I recommend this software to anyone who is serious on taking their game to the next level, Pio is not just an amazing tool, it is also evolving at a very high peace and as for now is way ahead of the competition plus you get the best customer support!
Seconded, very true !
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07-10-2015 , 08:43 PM
best software out there, best support !
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07-10-2015 , 11:16 PM
Hi punter, sorry for the continuous posting but I'm having a small problem with the GIU

I'm sometimes getting overlapping of the numbers and sometimes the numbers are so close you cant read them and I have to change the size of the windows multiple times while browsing, it happens both in the main browser window and in the new windows, is there a way to fix this

http://clip2net.com/s/3kzWCNV
http://clip2net.com/s/3kzWD3x

maybe show check as x, bet as b and call as c?

I asked in the chat and most of the players are making cash sims so they dont have this kind of problems, for this one I was using not so big stack sizes:

http://clip2net.com/s/3kzWKVQ
http://gyazo.com/d11a589ceb33afe0c141e943f29e74f9

thanks in advance!
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07-11-2015 , 06:44 AM
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would love a mac version!
PioSOLVER works via both Bootcamp and Parallels, we have a lot of customers using both options (sometimes Macs are very popular among poker players) without problems.
Purely Mac version may happen for the solver itself but probably not the viewer as the incentives aren't right: most poker players have some way to run Windows and porting a GUI to a Mac is a huge task.

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Another feature that will be awesome would be to have a range builder similar to the Range explorer range but for node locking so we can set up the players strategy for calculating MES or MinES I've asked some other users and they agree that this would be very handy.
Yeah, this is on the to-do... somewhere

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it happens both in the main browser window and in the new windows, is there a way to fix this

http://clip2net.com/s/3kzWCNV
http://clip2net.com/s/3kzWD3x
Yes, this is a display bug with big bets. Noted.

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I asked in the chat and most of the players are making cash sims so they dont have this kind of problems, for this one I was using not so big stack sizes:
Yeah I am testing most things for 5/10 out of habit as well but I've seen this before.
Thanks for reporting!
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07-13-2015 , 03:28 AM
As a user of many similar software solutions (crev, gtorb and some other smaller scale solutions) I have to admit, this one stands out for its speed, flexibility and customer support. Great job and keep up the good work.

I was wondering when I run a longer running script if there could be a feature that removes already solved trees from that script so I could continue even after I would have to stop the current solving process with the same script?
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07-13-2015 , 04:57 AM
I have to say that the price if well worth it.
Great software, quick fast support, they welcome ideas for software improvements.

There are 2 things I would like:
1st (close to post 319): can you code a FIFO pile?
Essentially instead of currently automatically generating 1 script for 50 boards and having to link scripts in a script to run overnight;
Generate 50 scripts (one for each board) and add them to the FIFO pile. PC keeps executing as long as there are scripts in the FIFO pile. If a script generates an error (ie too little RAM); an error txt file placed in the folder and the next script on the pile is executed.
At first sight 50 scripts whereas before 1 script can sound overwhelming but you can save easily your 50 computed boards+ 50 scripts in 1 folder. After 1 year there is also way less look-up work to figure out what exactly is computed for that specific board.
Buttons to stop executing current script and move to next, add scripts to pile, remove scripts to pile, starting FIFO, stopping FIFO, pauze after current script is done, moving script upwards in the pile, moving script downwards in the pile would be great.
Maybe giving this FIFO functionality his own .exe would be great

2nd; can you add a <code field> in your automatic script generator?
Meaning, now you can generate a basic script; and it creates it for all boards.

Then you have to add code @ 50 places for rounding, for exporting EV, ...

Just a <code field> where you adapt the standard lines that are afterwards used to create the scripts would make this way easier. With this a placeholder <board> would be great. That way you can easily insert <board> in the filenames. <board> would be identical to the board that you typed in.
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07-13-2015 , 03:25 PM
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I was wondering when I run a longer running script if there could be a feature that removes already solved trees from that script so I could continue even after I would have to stop the current solving process with the same script?
Removing from the script won't happen (I think keeping the original scripts unchanged is important) but some mechanism to make restarting from last calculated may. I will think about it but unfortunately it can't be a priority for now.

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Essentially instead of currently automatically generating 1 script for 50 boards and having to link scripts in a script to run overnight;
Generate 50 scripts (one for each board) and add them to the FIFO pile. PC keeps executing as long as there are scripts in the FIFO pile. If a script generates an error (ie too little RAM); an error txt file placed in the folder and the next script on the pile is executed.
The problem here is that the error may occur for many reasons and it's impossible to predict what the user meant. In general solver is very stable (some users run it for 3 weeks straight when on vacation and came back to it still calculating) so an error is in 99% of cases caused by a mistake in a script. This means the solver would need to guess what the script author had in mind to proceed from there and this guessing is a bit of a challenge to implement.

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(ie too little RAM)
This seems to be only common error which is not caused by a human mistake.
I currently don't understand fully why it's happening but my guess is that there is a delay in freeing memory and OS doesn't answer correctly about available resources if asked just after the tree is freed.
I will add an option to ignore the check in the next release (another possibility is that the solver leaks memory when calculating many trees but that seems unlikely from the testing so far).

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After 1 year there is also way less look-up work to figure out what exactly is computed for that specific board.
Yeah but it seems to me your solution is still more hassle than just putting the saves in nicely named folders and giving the saves itself a descriptive prefix.

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2nd; can you add a <code field> in your automatic script generator?
This is a very nice feature, I like it!
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07-15-2015 , 05:36 AM
Hi, many good stuff so far, I love that the Solver reads CREV ranges, I was wondering if is it possible to make it able to read Holdem Resources Calculator (HRC) ranges as well since me and many players I know use HRC for preflop game and then been able to import some of those ranges into Pio will save a lot of time.

http://clip2net.com/s/3kLfUJi

Also maybe including a secondary slider that will remove the top end of the range would be very handy cause there are many cases the ranges for at least one player will be caped

http://clip2net.com/s/3kLjasE

thanks and keep up the great work!

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07-15-2015 , 05:14 PM
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I know use HRC for preflop game and then been able to import some of those ranges into Pio will save a lot of time.
Yeah, unfortunately it's not as simple as converting spaces into commas as they use wild cards as well but we will see

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Also maybe including a secondary slider that will remove the top end of the range would be very handy cause there are many cases the ranges for at least one player will be caped
Yes, it's on the to-do. While I can't promise it makes it to the next release some tools to make working with ranges certainly will, including your (I think) suggestion for a better slider, +/- buttons and a suggestion for "invert range" button.
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07-15-2015 , 05:15 PM
This software is phenomenal. Just playing around in the free version has been hugely informative.
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07-15-2015 , 09:09 PM
I am confused. So many features now I don't even understand what some of the numbers mean that I am looking at. Is there a video explaining it or anything?
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