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08-24-2017 , 06:11 AM
Hello,

I'd like to run several thousands of postflop sims and my computer is too slow.
So I'd like to find someone to run Piosolver sims for me and send me the results.

does the Piosolver team offer such kind of services?
or is there a place for that kind of offers somewhere?
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08-24-2017 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by newbieguy
Hello,

I'd like to run several thousands of postflop sims and my computer is too slow.
So I'd like to find someone to run Piosolver sims for me and send me the results.

does the Piosolver team offer such kind of services?
or is there a place for that kind of offers somewhere?
better ask this in the skype group
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08-24-2017 , 06:55 AM
I have the new surface pro with i7-7660u 16gb memory. just bought piosolver pro. I have had two cases where the computer froze after starting "Go" and I had to reset. in both cases, the tree size was under 1gb. Any settings, I should be setting?
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08-24-2017 , 06:42 PM
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I have the new surface pro with i7-7660u 16gb memory. just bought piosolver pro. I have had two cases where the computer froze after starting "Go" and I had to reset. in both cases, the tree size was under 1gb. Any settings, I should be setting?
Assuming you are not running any external antivirus (especially things like Avast or Norton which are known to cause all kind of random problems) the most likely reason are hardware issues.

That being said Pio uses all the resources it's given. If you have a dual core CPU with multithreading (like this i7) you may try setting number of threads to 3 in Tools->Configuration->Behavior (I am writing from memory as I am travelling, if it's not under Behavior try other tabs) so it doesn't uses 100% of the CPU. It may help although to be honest on properly functioning setup even if one process tries to use 100% CPU the interface should remain responsive.
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08-24-2017 , 06:45 PM
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I'd like to run several thousands of postflop sims and my computer is too slow.
So I'd like to find someone to run Piosolver sims for me and send me the results.

does the Piosolver team offer such kind of services?
or is there a place for that kind of offers somewhere?
We don't and we won't. PioCloud used to but it proved to be not very rewarding (running things takes time and money and people expected too many freebies/configs changes without compensation). That being said you can try on the Skype group, maybe someone is interested. If you know what you want and can pay for it then pm PioCloud on Skype he might be able to help you.
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08-25-2017 , 09:07 AM
After doing a calculation, if I add the donk bet or change the bet size etc, do i need to rebuild the tree first before starting the calculation?
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08-25-2017 , 03:16 PM
Can pio solver choose the betsize or do i always have to manually fill in the bet size? Is there such an option?
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08-26-2017 , 04:25 AM
i am getting this error message:



it's not my antivirus, is there anything else it could be? didn't happen ever until yesterday. pretty sure i made no changes to my computer. won't connect when i do the recent solver thing.

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08-27-2017 , 08:47 AM
I have a laptop and workstation with piosolver. What is the best method for moving saved trees from workstation to laptop and retain all necessary calculations information?
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08-27-2017 , 05:53 PM
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After doing a calculation, if I add the donk bet or change the bet size etc, do i need to rebuild the tree first before starting the calculation?
Yes. It's a completely new tree so previous results aren't useful for the solver.

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Can pio solver choose the betsize or do i always have to manually fill in the bet size? Is there such an option?
You have to fill it in although you can save configurations so you can just use that in the future (changing a bet size here and there if needed but keeping the rest intact).
There isn't much point in implementing automatic bet sizing as creating those configs isn't a lot of work while finding way to fill sizes automatically would always leave large swatch of users unsatisfied with the way those sizes are selected.

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it's not my antivirus, is there anything else it could be? didn't happen ever until yesterday. pretty sure i made no changes to my computer. won't connect when i do the recent solver thing.
Firewall/antivirus/internet access are most likely reason. Start the solver itself (PioSOLVER-pro19.exe in the case of pro version) and see what information it displays. If it asks for the key or says it can't connect to the Internet you have to make the connection possible for it to verify the license.

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I have a laptop and workstation with piosolver. What is the best method for moving saved trees from workstation to laptop and retain all necessary calculations information?
Just move the files? You can use the Internet, home wifi or an USB stick. I am not sure if that's what you are asking though
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08-27-2017 , 07:04 PM
Which folder or files need to be moved? Just the tree file or are there other associated files?
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08-28-2017 , 02:08 AM
Hey punter! So I've got my threadripper rig up and online. Its really fast! I'd like to transfer my existing piosolver (basic) license from my old laptop to my new computer. Could you please help me with that? I'm looking at the instructions on the website, but its a bit confusing. It says to open pio and look for a console and welcome string etc, but I dont see this anywhere?

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08-28-2017 , 03:22 AM
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Which folder or files need to be moved? Just the tree file or are there other associated files?
The saves are .cfr files and .txt config files (with the same name).
Preferably move the whole folder with saves (you can compress it first with 7zip for example).

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I'd like to transfer my existing piosolver (basic) license from my old laptop to my new computer. Could you please help me with that? I'm looking at the instructions on the website, but its a bit confusing. It says to open pio and look for a console and welcome string etc, but I dont see this anywhere?
You need to reset a license on your old computer first and then activate it on a new one.
You can do it yourself, like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozjfnatwms (question number 3)

If you don't have access to it anymore please email your registration key to us (support@piosolver.com) and in case of pro/edge licenses approximate date of the activation (so we know if it's the earlier or the latter one).
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08-28-2017 , 04:41 PM
is there any way to speed up the build tree function? or allow the computer to use a lot more resources when building? sometimes big trees can take a while.
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08-28-2017 , 05:18 PM
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is there any way to speed up the build tree function? or allow the computer to use a lot more resources when building? sometimes big trees can take a while.
Unfortunately not.
If you mean building a big tree after another big one is already build then you may get better results by restarting the solver as it's discarding the previous tree which takes long time.
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08-29-2017 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
With CPUs from similar generation the speed is more or less proportional to number of physical cores multiplied by base frequency so:

1)10 core 7900x has 10 x 3.3 = 33
2)18 core 7980XE has 18 x 2.6 = 46.8

7980XE is going to be about x1.41 faster then. In general value of Xeons is in dual box setups (so 2 CPUs at the same mother board) as they offer way worse performance/price ratio.
Hi,

You mention that CPUs from similar generations are pretty much calculable to their cores*ghz, however, what would the rough translation be from the Intel i9-7980XE model against the AMD Threadripper 1950x model, assuming that both models had the same number of cores.

From this, how much faster do you estimate the upcoming Intel 18core i9-7980XE 2.6ghz CPU to be over the AMD 16core Threadripper 1950X CPU? And do both of these specs perform better in PIO against the top Intel Xeon CPU's?

And finally (sorry for all the questions!!), is there a confirmed PIO benchmark for the new 1950x AMD Threadripper CPU? If not, what would be your best guess?

Thank you!
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08-29-2017 , 03:26 AM
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however, what would the rough translation be from the Intel i9-7980XE model against the AMD Threadripper 1950x model, assuming that both models had the same number of cores.
It's hard to be sure but Ryzen 1800x was more than 2x faster than my i7 from Ivy Bridge generation and there wasn't much progress in CPU speed since then.
My guess is that Intel cores are going to be maybe a little bit faster (assuming they are clocked at the same frequency) but the difference is going to be minimal so I expect number of cores * base frequency to still apply (with maybe 5%-10% penalty for AMD but that's a wild guess).

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And finally (sorry for all the questions!!), is there a confirmed PIO benchmark for the new 1950x AMD Threadripper CPU? If not, what would be your best guess?
I don't have a confirmed benchmark yet (we will need one of our edge users report it to know the full speed). My best guess would be ~2.2seconds.
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08-29-2017 , 08:46 AM
2.2s is a good guess, I got 2.23s with slow ram on a stock 1950x
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08-29-2017 , 09:05 AM
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2.2s is a good guess, I got 2.23s with slow ram on a stock 1950x
Thanks, that's very useful. For comparison I am getting 3s benchmark on my 16 core Xeon server clocked @ 2.6Ghz (Haswell generation CPUs).
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08-29-2017 , 09:54 AM
In scripting, is it possible to round differently on each street?
example-
round_up_to IP 5 turn
round_up_to IP 10 river

I tried a couple times from console and it doesn't seem to work.
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08-29-2017 , 10:17 AM
started with both ranges at identical 50%. board 9d 6h 3s. raised 75%pot oop. order of ev ah7h, as7s,ad7d and ac7c is highest for ah7h and lowest for ac7c for a call ip. I understand why ac7c is lowest but having trouble with ah7h highest. I would think the 9d and 6h block the backdoors flushes to the opponent combinations better than 3s. Can someone correct my analysis?
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08-29-2017 , 05:21 PM
Hey

how do i change the colour of the ev so i can see the prefered sizes easier?

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08-30-2017 , 01:54 AM
Hey punter! Sorry I've been so busy setting up my new computer (the threadripper build) that I forget to respond back after I posted my question on how to deactivate the key so I could transfer to my new rig.

Anyways, I figured it out on my own, so that was good.

But I ended up needing to reformat my new computer to install a fresh copy of windows, and i forgot to deactivate the license, after I had already transferred my key over. :X
I was able to activate again after reinstalling windows, but just wanted to make sure there will be no problems?
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08-30-2017 , 02:59 AM
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In scripting, is it possible to round differently on each street?
example-
round_up_to IP 5 turn
round_up_to IP 10 river
round_up_to rounds up to chosen street (so either flop only or flop/turn or flop/turn/river).
It looks like it's not possible to do what you want right now.

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started with both ranges at identical 50%. board 9d 6h 3s. raised 75%pot oop. order of ev ah7h, as7s,ad7d and ac7c is highest for ah7h and lowest for ac7c for a call ip. I understand why ac7c is lowest but having trouble with ah7h highest. I would think the 9d and 6h block the backdoors flushes to the opponent combinations better than 3s. Can someone correct my analysis?
It shouldn't be much of a difference but it's hard to say without seeing an actual tree config (you can get it by clicking "copy to clipboard" button, pasting it to pastebin.com and linking here). Even then though it might be hard to guess the reason, especially if the differences are miniscule.

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how do i change the colour of the ev so i can see the prefered sizes easier?
I am not sure why you want to change the color of EV to see the sizes (sizes have their own color and you can see them if you show "strategy"). Anyway, there are some options to edit colors in Tools->Configuration->Appearance

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But I ended up needing to reformat my new computer to install a fresh copy of windows, and i forgot to deactivate the license, after I had already transferred my key over. :X
I was able to activate again after reinstalling windows, but just wanted to make sure there will be no problems?
Sometimes it just works after the reinstall if the licensing system recognizes the machine. If you have any problems with activations in the future just drop us an email to support@piosolver.com including your key and some description of what happened and how many activations are in use.
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08-30-2017 , 03:36 AM
If you wanted to make a small save and also a rounded version of the same tree, how would you put it in the script?
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