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05-22-2019 , 03:02 PM
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You can't have the whole strategy exported because that would take too much space (way more than full saves) as there are potentially millions of nodes in a tree.
You can export various parts of the results though. You can chooes one of the strategy/ev/strategy+ev/range and then right click on 13x13 area in the browser tab to see export options. There are many of them in both csv and plain text format.
Is there a way to do this programmatically through scripting or other means?
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05-22-2019 , 11:10 PM
Thanks for your help Punter...

Lastly, I'm just trying to work out what the bottleneck for cores/threads are for Pro version. The website says: "Uses up to 16 CPU cores (16 hardware threads)". Not sure I understand the core/thread cap when it comes to hyperthreading. Does this mean an 8 core with 16 threads is max? Or will Pro version reap the benefits of CPU's up to 16 cores 32 threads?
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05-23-2019 , 03:40 AM
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Should the displayed strategy update in a node locked tree, or will the EVs be the only thing that changes?
If you've changed strategy for locked player then yes it will change. The strategy for the second player will only change if you run the solver again after locking as it now needs to calculate new strategy.

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If I want to study the impact of several different ICM configurations on a tree, do I need to rerun the tree every time I change the ICM configuration?
Yes.

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This doesn't work like node locking where things just get updated on the fly, right? I'm assuming I actually have to rerun the whole tree each time.
It's the same with node-locking. It's true that with node-locking you can change the strategy and solve from there without rebuilding the tree but you still need to re-run it to get adjusted strategies and sometimes it's the best to start from a fresh tree anyway.
With ICM we recommend running it from the start. It's no longer a 0 sum game and the solver may not be able to "come back" from something that is completely wrong after changed ICM pay-offs.

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Is there a way to do this programmatically through scripting or other means?
You could use our API to get the strategies/EVs but if you d that for the whole tree it will be very slow (as there are millions of nodes in the tree and therefore millions of lines to calculate and write to a text file). The way to work with the solution is to load them in the solver and query it. You can do that from other programs using your API.

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Lastly, I'm just trying to work out what the bottleneck for cores/threads are for Pro version. The website says: "Uses up to 16 CPU cores (16 hardware threads)". Not sure I understand the core/thread cap when it comes to hyperthreading. Does this mean an 8 core with 16 threads is max? Or will Pro version reap the benefits of CPU's up to 16 cores 32 threads?
It will not use hyperthreading on 16 core CPU with HT enabled.
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05-23-2019 , 06:05 AM
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It will not use hyperthreading on 16 core CPU with HT enabled.
So is there any meaningful difference in performance in Pro version between 8core/16thread and 16core CPU's? (Assuming same clock speed).
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05-23-2019 , 07:10 AM
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So is there any meaningful difference in performance in Pro version between 8core/16thread and 16core CPU's? (Assuming same clock speed).
Yes, hyperthreading is only worth around 15% for performance so it should be much faster on 16 core CPU.
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05-23-2019 , 08:19 AM
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If you've changed strategy for locked player then yes it will change. The strategy for the second player will only change if you run the solver again after locking as it now needs to calculate new strategy.
So in order to do that, are these the steps I'd take?

Node lock-->Go to "Postflop Tree Building and Calculations"-->Click "Go"
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05-23-2019 , 04:11 PM
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So in order to do that, are these the steps I'd take?

Node lock-->Go to "Postflop Tree Building and Calculations"-->Click "Go"
Yes.
Solving after a strategy is changed and node locked isn't simple because it may affect big part of the tree, usually strategy changes a bit everywhere. That's why re-running the solver is necessary.
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05-23-2019 , 10:42 PM
How do we have scripts automatically begin when the ones you are currently running finish?
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05-24-2019 , 01:25 AM
Is moving a license from one PC to another simple process? Do you just deactivate on one machine and activate on another?
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05-24-2019 , 01:58 AM
I have PioSolver Edge and was wondering:

1) How do I show run time in minutes instead of seconds?

2) I believe by default "strategy + ev" refers to the total number of chips won or lost when choosing a particular strategy. I want to be able to press "strategy + ev" and get "chip EV in Big Blinds" instead. So if I'm right then what I'm trying to do is to get piosolver to divide every answer by the Big Blind. How would I do that?

Thank you for your help.
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05-24-2019 , 05:02 PM
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How do we have scripts automatically begin when the ones you are currently running finish?
It's not the most convenient right now. You have to first create al lthe scripts you want to run and then chain them. The procedure is described here:
https://www.piosolver.com/pages/faq

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Is moving a license from one PC to another simple process? Do you just deactivate on one machine and activate on another?
You need to reset a license on your old computer first and then activate it on a new one.
You can do it yourself, like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ozjfnatwms (question number 3)

If you don't have access to it anymore please attach your registration key and in case of pro/edge licenses approximate date of the activation (so we know if it's the earlier or the latter one).

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1) How do I show run time in minutes instead of seconds?
That's not implemented.

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2) I believe by default "strategy + ev" refers to the total number of chips won or lost when choosing a particular strategy. I want to be able to press "strategy + ev" and get "chip EV in Big Blinds" instead. So if I'm right then what I'm trying to do is to get piosolver to divide every answer by the Big Blind. How would I do that?
You can edit the formula by going to:
Tools->Configuration->Data presentation - other

There you change the default "ev + current" to "(ev + current) / 10" assuming your blinds are 5/10.
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05-24-2019 , 06:36 PM
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It's not the most convenient right now. You have to first create al lthe scripts you want to run and then chain them. The procedure is described here:
https://www.piosolver.com/pages/faq

I cannot find the procedure anywhere in that link. Can you tell me specifically where I can find it?
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05-25-2019 , 06:49 AM
What's the purpose of a preflop chart?
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05-25-2019 , 07:49 AM
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I cannot find the procedure anywhere in that link. Can you tell me specifically where I can find it?
I am sorry, I've pasted a wrong link. See here:
http://************/PioSkypeGuidelines
(it's Skype group chat link in the FAQ page right at the top in case 2p2 removes my link)

There is an alternative way where you create .bat file to start scripts one after another. Let me copy-paste the instructions for that:

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1)create scripts you want to run and call them:
script1.txt
script2.txt
...

2)Modify them by adding one line at the end of each:
exit

3)Create a .bat file "run_my_scripts.bat" with the following content:
CALL PioSOLVER-edge script1.txt
CALL PioSOLVER-edge script2.txt
...

Put it in the same folder as both the solver and the scripts.

4)Run it.

Please keep the following in mind:
1)This is the best way because it restarts the solver between scripts. This is useful as after a while memory allocation gets very slow so restarting once in a while will speed things up.
2)You can avoid putting all of the scripts and the solver in the same folder but then you need to use whole paths, like this:
CALL c:\Pio\PioSOLVER-edge c:\Pio\scripts_to_run\script1.txt
3)Adding exit at the end of scripts causes the .bat file to go to another line once the script is finished and the solver closes, it won't work without it.

4)PLEASE TEST IT ON TOY 2-3 SCRIPTS FIRST!!!
This is important so you know the process works and you don't waste hours just to find out there is an error/typo somewhere.
Making this way more convenient is something that's going to happen in foreseeable future.
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What's the purpose of a preflop chart?
You can create charts. Not really more to it but a lot of people like to have charts
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05-25-2019 , 03:40 PM
How can I script individual hands i.e. run 5-6 hands overnight but all different positions, ranges, etc. Is there any video tutorial out there? Thanks a lot.
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05-25-2019 , 04:02 PM
If anyone knows if it's possible to run PIO through CrossOver on Mac please let me know how to do so, thanks
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05-25-2019 , 06:04 PM
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Yes, hyperthreading is only worth around 15% for performance so it should be much faster on 16 core CPU.
I see - thanks.

A lot of leaks have reported the next gen Ryzen release soon will have a 3850x that is 16core, 5.1ghz for around $500. If this is legit, this would be the most optimised and cost effective chip for max performance in Pio Pro (16 core cap), yes?
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05-26-2019 , 02:48 PM
Hello, I have an issue with piosolver and sent you 2 emails but even after 2 months of waiting did not receive an answer, therefore Im writing here. After building a tree and clicking on "Go" the process dies and error code 1 appears. I'm aware it has something to do with licensing and would like to consult you in order to find a solution.

Thank you
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05-26-2019 , 03:30 PM
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A lot of leaks have reported the next gen Ryzen release soon will have a 3850x that is 16core, 5.1ghz for around $500. If this is legit, this would be the most optimised and cost effective chip for max performance in Pio Pro (16 core cap), yes?
Yeah, next get Ryzens are going to be awesome and surely a great deal performance wise. I am waiting for those myself (although I do hope for new ThreadRipper which keeps getting delayed).

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Hello, I have an issue with piosolver and sent you 2 emails but even after 2 months of waiting did not receive an answer
I answer emails almost every day (yesterday was one of rare exceptions) I also answer every email. Please pm me your email address so I can check what happened there.

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After building a tree and clicking on "Go" the process dies and error code 1 appears. I'm aware it has something to do with licensing and would like to consult you in order to find a solution.
This is usually caused by licensing problems. Please let us know what's your registered address/key and I will take a look. Again, maybe for some reason your emails don't get send or maybe I somehow missed yours but if you don't get a reply dor 48+hours it's a reason good enough to send an email again.
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05-26-2019 , 04:08 PM
Dear punter11235, do you have a list of legit PioSolver partners? I saw oRanges Calculator, InastaGTO and Simple GTO Trainer.
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05-26-2019 , 05:11 PM
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Dear punter11235, do you have a list of legit PioSolver partners? I saw oRanges Calculator, InastaGTO and Simple GTO Trainer.
They are not our partners although they all use Pio to perform some calculations. That's perfectly ok, Pio has publicly available API and 3rd party applications are allowed to use it as long as it doesn't breach our license.
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05-26-2019 , 05:32 PM
HOW
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05-26-2019 , 05:34 PM
The scripting instructions above are not clear!! Why can't a tutorial be made on the youtube channel!
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05-26-2019 , 06:11 PM
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The scripting instructions above are not clear!! Why can't a tutorial be made on the youtube channel!
What exactly do you find unclear?
The reason there won't be more detailed tutorial is that improving that functionality is going to be implemented in the future. The usecase of scheduling hands with different parameters wasn't something we had in mind when creating a script generator but we now see it needs to be improved so it's easier to queue jobs.
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05-26-2019 , 07:19 PM
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What exactly do you find unclear?
The reason there won't be more detailed tutorial is that improving that functionality is going to be implemented in the future. The usecase of scheduling hands with different parameters wasn't something we had in mind when creating a script generator but we now see it needs to be improved so it's easier to queue jobs.
Thanks for your reply.

What's unclear is creating the .bat file, also exactly which folder to place the it in, also if I have pio-pro do I write that instead of edge. Also how exactly to run it in the first place. I've never programmed before and so I can't really follow. Thanks for your time.
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