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01-22-2019 , 04:39 AM
Is it possible to change shortcut keys? For example if i want to change ''set strategy and lock node'' key from ctrl+N to ctrl+K. Is there any settings for this?

Does It differ if you store your trees on a ssd or hdd regarding tree loading speed? I did some tests and for a big trees(10GB), my ssd (520 MB/s) loaded that tree in 38s while it took 62s for my hdd(190MB/s). But when I did tests for smaller trees <1GB it seemed to load in the same amount of time whether it was stored in ssd or hdd. Also does ram speed/cpu also affect tthe loading time?

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01-22-2019 , 05:35 AM
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Is it possible to change shortcut keys? For example if i want to change ''set strategy and lock node'' key from ctrl+N to ctrl+K. Is there any settings for this?
It's not possible but maybe you can try making an ahk script to do that.

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Does It differ if you store your trees on a ssd or hdd regarding tree loading speed?
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But when I did tests for smaller trees <1GB it seemed to load in the same amount of time whether it was stored in ssd or hdd. Also does ram speed/cpu also affect tthe loading time?
I haven't benchmarked it for some time. Disc speed is surely a factor but there are other operations as well. For small saves it likely doesn't matter at all for big ones it will. I am not sure what the exact % is for CPU/disc speed when loading trees.
The fact is that at this time loading is very inefficient. It shouldn't matter much for small saves (which are the main option) but for full ones it may be painful.
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01-22-2019 , 05:40 AM
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But when I did tests for smaller trees <1GB it seemed to load in the same amount of time whether it was stored in ssd or hdd
Normally loading time is proportional to your disk speed, but note that the system is caching files in RAM. So if you have recently used some file that fits in free RAM you might observe that it loads pretty much instantly and much faster than you would expect even from SSD.
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01-22-2019 , 07:48 AM
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It's not possible but maybe you can try making an ahk script to do that.





I haven't benchmarked it for some time. Disc speed is surely a factor but there are other operations as well. For small saves it likely doesn't matter at all for big ones it will. I am not sure what the exact % is for CPU/disc speed when loading trees.
The fact is that at this time loading is very inefficient. It shouldn't matter much for small saves (which are the main option) but for full ones it may be painful.
Would you recommend a SSD with a much higher upload speed(3200MB/s) compared to my 520MB/s ssd if I would want to load trees(Small saves) faster? Or will it not make that much of a difference?

Im also planning to upgrade from pro to edge. Will 64Gb's of rams be enough to solve preflop for 6 max ranges with; 3 bet sizes on each street 2 raise sizes on flop and turn and 1 raise size on river, or do I need 128gb for that?

Thx for mentioning ahk script. I will try to figure something out with it.
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01-22-2019 , 08:10 AM
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Would you recommend a SSD with a much higher upload speed(3200MB/s) compared to my 520MB/s ssd if I would want to load trees(Small saves) faster? Or will it not make that much of a difference?
To be honest I don't know. It's hard to benchmark and I can only guess from the code. I feel it will make a difference but I can't guarantee it.

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Will 64Gb's of rams be enough to solve preflop for 6 max ranges with; 3 bet sizes on each street 2 raise sizes on flop and turn and 1 raise size on river, or do I need 128gb for that?
You won't be able to solve preflop trees with such complicated postflop play with any amount of RAM. Those trees will be terabytes big. The trick with the preflop solver is to use very simplified postflop play (one bet size, some donks removed if it's clear they won't be used, capping number of bets per street to 3 or 4). You can try using more sizes preflop although it makes trees significantly bigger as well.
It's a good idea to first solve for preflop ranges using simplified postflop play and then use that solving with more complicated structure postflop. While this is not 100% mathematically sound it proves to be quite good in practice.
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01-22-2019 , 08:41 AM
Hi,
I just got some problem when selecting a starting range. When I click on hands I want it usually get yellow when marking. It does not anymore but I can see the % changing. How can I fix this?
Cheers
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01-22-2019 , 03:50 PM
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I just got some problem when selecting a starting range. When I click on hands I want it usually get yellow when marking. It does not anymore but I can see the % changing. How can I fix this?
Is it possible you have changed weight (upper right corner in range selector) or played with custom colors in Tools->Configuration?
If not, please send us a screenshot to support@piosolver.com and I will forward it to PioViewer developer.
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01-22-2019 , 06:12 PM
Hello!
I just purchased pio today and it struck me that I don't put in stack depth in the format of big blinds, only effective stacks and starting pot. Does not pio care about how many blinds deep I am?
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01-23-2019 , 03:39 AM
If you solve a spot over lets say 72 preset flops and then later you solve a few more flops same scenario, the new flops won't have any weights towards them. Will that skew the results of the Runouts aggregated frequencies analysis? Would the amount of extra flops make bigger difference, for example: If we add 5 more flops will it not matter much, but if we add another say 36 flops will it make a big difference?

Thx
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01-23-2019 , 03:48 AM
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I just purchased pio today and it struck me that I don't put in stack depth in the format of big blinds, only effective stacks and starting pot. Does not pio care about how many blinds deep I am?
Yes, it doesn't matter how many blinds that is. Starting pot and effective stacks are enough.
Please notice though that for example if BTN raises to 3bb in a 6max 100b game, SB folds and BB calls the starting pot/stacks combo is 65/970 at 5/10 blinds but 13/194 at 1/2 game. It's only stacks/pot ratio that matters for the solution.

If you are accustomed to thinking in blinds instead of chips you can just always use 5/10 or 50/100 blinds and read it as 10 = 1bb or 100 = bb.

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If you solve a spot over lets say 72 preset flops and then later you solve a few more flops same scenario, the new flops won't have any weights towards them. Will that skew the results of the Runouts aggregated frequencies analysis?
The aggregation report reads the weights from the script file. It also displays the list of all flops with weights before it's run so you can verify what kind of weight new flops have or if they are included as well. I am not 100% sure if they are included or not in current implementation. If that's important information for you and you can't get it from looking at the list of flops before running the report let me know and I will ask juggler97531 on 2p2 (PioViewer developer) how it works exactly.

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If we add 5 more flops will it not matter much, but if we add another say 36 flops will it make a big difference?
If they are included in the report they will almost surely make results worse.
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01-23-2019 , 06:41 AM
Hello! I have gotten off to a good start because of some tips and tutorials, thanks! I have two questions (this is all about heads-up play).

1) Do you guys prefer to use cerberus or some other very complicated/splitting preflop ranges or do you guys make it more realistic/in line with your own ranges?

2) When analyzing a hand that I previously played, let's say for example that I'm reviewing a SRP calldown spot as BB. Should I give IP (villain) multiple options when it comes to bet sizes, or is it enough to give him the one sizing he used per street? I feel like if I don't give him more options than the one size he actually used in the hand, the results will be biased, no?
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01-23-2019 , 08:37 AM
I mean Cepheus on the previous message ^
Can I edit my posts on 2+2?
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01-23-2019 , 03:20 PM
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1) Do you guys prefer to use cerberus or some other very complicated/splitting preflop ranges or do you guys make it more realistic/in line with your own ranges?
Those are only suitable for heads-up limit. Not really for NL. We offer some preflop solutions you can download for free and take some ranges from there:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/piosolver-1-10-13

Other than that we don't offer any default ranges.

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2) When analyzing a hand that I previously played, let's say for example that I'm reviewing a SRP calldown spot as BB. Should I give IP (villain) multiple options when it comes to bet sizes, or is it enough to give him the one sizing he used per street? I feel like if I don't give him more options than the one size he actually used in the hand, the results will be biased, no?
It's a tough call. It seems that in practice using bet sizes the opponent used as long as they are reasonable works decently. You can improve on it a bit adding more common bet sizes along the way but the more you add the bigger and slower to solve the tree is going to be so that's a tradeoff.
It for sure makes sense to add sizings at points the opponent did something untypical.
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01-23-2019 , 04:00 PM
Thank you so much for those ranges! And the answers. Is there any way to copy those preflop ranges into my pio basic? Btw loving the program so far
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01-23-2019 , 11:45 PM
hi i finally find a window 7 , run it on virtual machine but when i try free version it says :

failed to connect. specified executable not valid application for this OS platform ?

is win 7 to low ?
thx
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01-24-2019 , 03:44 AM
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Thank you so much for those ranges! And the answers. Is there any way to copy those preflop ranges into my pio basic? Btw loving the program so far
If you mean the preflop solution from PioCloud then you need to download them, unpack using the password on the website and then you can load them using your Pio by going to File->load tree and selecting one of them.

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hi i finally find a window 7 , run it on virtual machine but when i try free version it says :

failed to connect. specified executable not valid application for this OS platform ?

is win 7 to low ?
Win 7 isn't too low but you need 64-bit one. 32bit Windows is obsolete and not suitable for modern hardware or applications.
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01-24-2019 , 10:18 AM
Hi.
I am trying to use Pio on a server with Windows server 2012, I did the key activation and installation, but at the time of opening this error appears.

Can someone tell me what the problem is?

The free version works.


link with error print screen https://ibb.co/cL7xxyT
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01-24-2019 , 01:04 PM
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I am trying to use Pio on a server with Windows server 2012, I did the key activation and installation, but at the time of opening this error appears.
It looks like Net Framework needs updating to 4.7.2 version:
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/downloa...mework-runtime
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01-24-2019 , 03:53 PM
The node locking tutorial on youtube was great but it's outdated when it comes to locking in the hands before re-solving. In the video there is only 1 option which is "lock strategy", but in my version of pio there is 3: "dont lock strategy", "lock all hands" and "lock selected combos." What the difference between the latter two options?
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01-24-2019 , 05:34 PM
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The node locking tutorial on youtube was great but it's outdated when it comes to locking in the hands before re-solving. In the video there is only 1 option which is "lock strategy", but in my version of pio there is 3: "dont lock strategy", "lock all hands" and "lock selected combos." What the difference between the latter two options?
"Lock all hands" locks the whole node. In the old version it was the only option. Now you can also choose to only lock selected combos. See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJEPGSIpIBM (point 12, see the video description for links).
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01-24-2019 , 11:41 PM
When is the next major version of Pio most likely to be released?
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01-25-2019 , 04:00 AM
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When is the next major version of Pio most likely to be released?
It's hard to say. Our track record predicting timelines is terrible so we are not attempting it any more. If anything is known we will announce it here, on our website and Discord server.
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01-25-2019 , 10:59 PM
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Hey guys, I am new to the software and I think I got a simply question but I didnt find answer for it on google.

How do I copy a range from the range explorer to anywhere else? When I "ctrl+c" it copies with the frequencies as wells which messes for other softwares. I wanna be able to copy it and place it on holdeq, or flopzilla, etc.


I believe that group of products intentionally doesn’t accept pio format Bc they sell a competing product(GTO+). Users have been asking for pio format for years so that’s the only explanation I can come up with. Oranges calculator is comparable to Flopzilla and does accept pio format. Power-Equilab does also.

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01-26-2019 , 05:28 AM
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I believe that group of products intentionally doesn’t accept pio format Bc they sell a competing product(GTO+). Users have been asking for pio format for years so that’s the only explanation I can come up with. Oranges calculator is comparable to Flopzilla and does accept pio format. Power-Equilab does also.
We also accept formats from other popular programs even though some of those formats aren't really well thought out.
Our format is very easy to parse and making a program to accept it is a 15 minute job.
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01-26-2019 , 09:49 AM
Would love to see a one click option on the tree building to swap ranges. I have accidentally mixed out ip and oop so many times and it would be nice to have a one click way to change them.
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