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03-14-2018 , 08:13 PM
I really tried to find this problem in the thread already but I wasnt able to see anything. I am just getting started with PIO and node locking. When I run the default solution it takes about a minute to solve. When I node lock it takes hours is this normal? I read somewhere that sometimes it can be a problem with unpacking the solved solution and resolving with the node lock so I even tried starting fresh by building the tree then node locking then solving and not change in behavior.
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03-14-2018 , 09:11 PM
how much ram should i get on a virtual desktop to use pio as necessary after watching the pio unlocked series? tnx
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03-15-2018 , 05:44 AM
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So are you basically saying that the taskmanger window is not very accurate?!
I mean that various implementations may display various CPU usage and it doesn't matter. Only benchmarks matter.

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Could be something wrong with my PC?
One thing you can check is if it doesn't overheat.
I've tested benchmarks on various CPUs and it's more or less the same. I didn't check on older AMD CPUs because I don't have access to those.

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hello, is that possible to make a simulation stop after x iteration ? (i consider an iteration being every output of the solver) maybe by scripting or using the solver directly ?
Yes, "go" command takes an argument. After building the tree you need to execute for example:
go 100 steps

You can do it from the viewer by bringing arbitrary solver command (ctrl + b) or put it in the script. By default the informatoin about current EV/MES/exploitability is displayed every 25 steps (on the flop).

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Also, if i save small tree and very small trees, then the solver has to resolve turn and river when i open again the file, but only if i demand to show a strategic node of turn and/or river right ?
Yes, it resolves once you go there and it resolves to the accuracy defined in Tools->Configuration->Behavior

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When I run the default solution it takes about a minute to solve. When I node lock it takes hours is this normal? I read somewhere that sometimes it can be a problem with unpacking the solved solution and resolving with the node lock so I even tried starting fresh by building the tree then node locking then solving and not change in behavior.
Can you send us the config and what you lock or preferably a small save (to support@piosolver.com) I will take a look at this.

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how much ram should i get on a virtual desktop to use pio as necessary after watching the pio unlocked series? tnx
I don't know, I didn't watch the series
You can check how much RAM is needed by using estimate tree feature.
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03-15-2018 , 01:20 PM
hey, I got new computer and got you guys to reset the license and but now when I try to connect it just doesnt let me, and Im stuck, any recommendations?
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03-15-2018 , 02:33 PM
Does anyone have a very easy tutorial for understanding and getting familiar with PIO?
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03-15-2018 , 02:57 PM
Hi, I have a small question.

WHen inputting hands, for example

CO raises, BTN calls. CO is the OOP player but pio is saying I should 100% check here.

When I raise button (IP) and BB (OOP) call I should bet a lot.

What is the correct way to input spots like spot 1? Can I suggest OOP open somewhere?
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03-15-2018 , 05:35 PM
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hey, I got new computer and got you guys to reset the license and but now when I try to connect it just doesnt let me, and Im stuck, any recommendations?
Yes, email support@piosolver.com with a description of what is happening. Is there some kind of error message? What happens when you double click on piosolver-pro.exe? We need details and exact error messages to be able to help you.

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Does anyone have a very easy tutorial for understanding and getting familiar with PIO?
There is a quick start guide here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqGQoQKbCB8

you can follow it with the free version as well.

There are some more videos/FAQs here:
https://www.piosolver.com/pages/faq-videos

but the quick start one should be enough so you can start solving trees.

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CO raises, BTN calls. CO is the OOP player but pio is saying I should 100% check here.
It depends on the exact ranges/spots but with usual ranges OOP in fact checks a lot (and often 100%) in this spot.

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When I raise button (IP) and BB (OOP) call I should bet a lot.
Yes, you will see that in the solution.

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What is the correct way to input spots like spot 1? Can I suggest OOP open somewhere?
You can give OOP a bet size so they could bet. If the optimal solution ends up being to bet 0% then well, there is nothing you can do about it other than think about ranges (maybe IP's range is too strong).
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03-16-2018 , 04:25 AM
I'm getting an error when trying to build a preflop tree. The error says:

Server Error: ERROR: Command add_to_subset not recognized.

edit: I have the latest version of Pio

Last edited by Adgey; 03-16-2018 at 04:30 AM.
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03-16-2018 , 04:59 AM
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I'm getting an error when trying to build a preflop tree. The error says:

Server Error: ERROR: Command add_to_subset not recognized.

edit: I have the latest version of Pio
The preflop solver is only included in the edge version. It also requires very powerful hardware to run (64GB of RAM or more for practical trees + modern fast CPU) which makes it a niche product.
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03-16-2018 , 05:06 AM
How about 10-15bb trees? Would they be possible with less RAM?
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03-16-2018 , 05:18 AM
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How about 10-15bb trees? Would they be possible with less RAM?
You can fit some below 32GB. You can use estimation function in basic/pro versions as well so you can see what kind of trees you can fit in memory. Important hint is to simplify postflop play as much as possible (use one sizings, cap preferably of 3, eliminate donkbets etc.)
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03-16-2018 , 07:58 AM
1.10.15 version is now available. Problem with multifile aggregation reports is fixed (it will work now, even with file names not containing board names as long as weights are present in the script). Some other minor issues were fixed as well. For people having problems with some trees converging slowly/jumping around: the situation is improved a lot in latest release so please update to that.
Some details about 1.10.14/15 here:

https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/piosolver-1-10-14
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03-16-2018 , 08:09 AM
Wow man, you guys are really quick at resolving stuff and fulfilling customers wishes.
Great work!
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03-16-2018 , 03:38 PM
Hi
I have some difficulties to understand how the raise sizes work. if i setup the raise size at 3.5x for the flop, for ip and oop, the sequence bet/raise/3bet goes like: bet 8/raise 28/raise 78.
I dont get why the 3bet size is not 3,5*28 ?
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03-16-2018 , 05:29 PM
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I have some difficulties to understand how the raise sizes work. if i setup the raise size at 3.5x for the flop, for ip and oop, the sequence bet/raise/3bet goes like: bet 8/raise 28/raise 78.
I dont get why the 3bet size is not 3,5*28 ?
Raise size is defined in relation to the last bet. Raise = call + a bet. So let's look at yoru sequence:

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bet 8/raise 28
Last bet is 8, 8 * 3.5 = 28.

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/raise 78.
Last raise comprise a call of 8 and then a bet of 20 more, so now raise will be 20 * 3.5 = 70. 8 already invested + 70 more = 78.
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03-19-2018 , 08:12 AM
i got this error:
"Solver process died with error code -1073741819"

and it says "connect to pioSolver before this operation" when i try to start it again

I tried it w/ multiple files yesterday and today.
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03-19-2018 , 09:35 AM
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i got this error:
"Solver process died with error code -1073741819"
Make sure you are using 1.10.15 version. If it still happens please send an email to support@piosolver.com and describe when it happens (if you can replicate the issue then the best is the description of steps leading to it). The most useful is tree config you are trying to build and what exact options you are using (building tree? node locking? something else?)
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03-19-2018 , 10:28 AM
My PioUpdater is not working. I went again to the email I got when i purchased Pio and downloaded it, but it still doesn`t work(it just won`t start). I ran it normaly and as administrator, I unistalled bitdefender and switch off windows firewall and nothing.
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03-19-2018 , 07:23 PM
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My PioUpdater is not working. I went again to the email I got when i purchased Pio and downloaded it, but it still doesn`t work(it just won`t start). I ran it normaly and as administrator, I unistalled bitdefender and switch off windows firewall and nothing.
Things randomly not starting is almost always caused by 3rd party antivirus. Before we investigate further though please make sure you are running the newest installer/updater for 1.10 version (you probably had an old one if you purchased the software during 1.9 or earlier version). It's here:
https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/piosolver-1-10
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03-19-2018 , 08:09 PM
Thanks! I will check your blog often from now on!
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03-19-2018 , 08:40 PM
ok. the error is still there , these time w/ the message "solver process died with erorr code 1" and now when I try to load anothere file I get the message "connect to pioSolver before this operation".

What i did:
-I let the script ran over night on 49 flops sample
-I then took them one by one to nod lock them
-in the middle of doing that I got the first error
- after you messages I Updated
- I got the same error.
- I tried w/ files that worked before the error (both node-locked or raw) and still doesn`t work

-I don`t have any anti-virus installed now, and my firewall is off (i is like that since I was trying to use my old updater)
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03-19-2018 , 10:36 PM
Ok. I think I isolated the problem. It`s a specific file that makes Pio give that error... and I have to restart the app to make it work again w/ the other files (before I tried to use other files w/out restarting it).

It is a raw file that it was processed w/ other good files w/ the script.

Do you want me to send it to you?


raw= w/out lock node
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03-20-2018 , 03:47 AM
Where is the process for running the sims overnight?
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03-20-2018 , 04:25 AM
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Ok. I think I isolated the problem. It`s a specific file that makes Pio give that error... and I have to restart the app to make it work again w/ the other files (before I tried to use other files w/out restarting it).
It's possible that there was something that interrupted saving process or maybe the file got corrupted for some reason. It's especially likely with earlier versions which didn't have any kind of safety mechanism (in the newest version if something interrupts the saving process the file becomes invalid and the solver won't attempt to load it).

You can send it to us if it's a small save but probably the best course of action is to delete that one file and re-run the script. As long as script and the saves are still in their original location the solver will skip over already saved files and only calculate the one missing.

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Where is the process for running the sims overnight?
See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhG_YsEvfwU (question number 6)
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03-20-2018 , 04:26 AM
Also what are OOP and IP's MES? I'm assuming this is maximal exploitative strategy but I'm not entirely sure what it means in this context.
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