Anyone know how to access the PIO skype chat? Is it active at all?

https://join.skype.com/yzItcUIN4U8r

Very lively indeed

I feel this strategy works because there is always cost of splitting your range (you give some information when using more than 1 bet size) so if there is an option to bet everything then it's very attractive even if it means a small bet size. This can of course only work if there is significant range advantage.

I feel you are correct about it.
I am not sure where the idea came from. Probably some analysis of some coach
My experience is that you are in fact correct that often it's in fact lower bet size (25%) which is chosen if there is an option to use it.
With those things all we have are empirical results so it's natural that "widom" changes as more people run simulations comparing various options (and as more people choose to publish the results).
This is btw similar to turn bets. It's not a big secret anymore but at some point (I think about 2 years ago) some people started noticing that combination of a small flop bet along with overbets on turn/rivers are often the best line. You would want 2 bet sizes on turn/river in those spots, one "normal" and one overbet to get it in on the river with another overbet. The problem is that to be really sure of the pattern you need to run a lot of simulations and that takes time.

Maybe it's a good idea to look for other players interested in sharing their analysis. I don't run many simulations anymore as I simply don't have time for that. I am not an active player anymore either which makes my ability to relate simulations to current game environment very limited.

It's worked with PioUpdater in admin mode for me (I've never tried this solution before )


For a simulation with chips (not bb) + limp pot, can we precise somewhere : "don't use sizings < 50% if nobody bet before ?




Can we have the same style in the general viewer and "range explorer" ?



Thanks.

Join and it seems to be only for PLO and an add on app Monkey something, do you have the link for the Pio Skype chat? Many thanks!!

Hello,

im dealing with an ante hu situation, is that ok to add the ante in the bb and sb sizes ? (10/15 for a 5/10 with 5antes ?, so the bb size for accuracy would be 15?)
I ran a simulation like this and faced an accuracy problem, the simulation could not go below exploitable for 0.6. What could be the reason for this ?

Also could you give me an estimation of the impact of choosing only a limited number of flops to run a simulation with deep stacks (5, 10 flops ?)

thanks

You need to include those lines in "remove lines" sections.
For example:

check, check, bet 30




check, check, check, bet 25

After a while and with some copy-pasting it's pretty quick to do that.

What do you mean by style here?

Antes are dead money (they are not part of the bet unlike blinds) so add them to dead money in the pot.

See PM.

are u sure about that ?

if sb and bb start the hand with 1000 chips, then they pay the ante 5 and the blinds, the stacks will be 985 and 990? Does pio subtract the ante to the stacks the same way ?
Also where i play the minraise will be 25 and 3x is 35

hi punter,

I use piosolver for holdem
im wondering if you would consider adding backdoor draws to the show_categories instruction ?

it seems quite relevant as gto strategie seems to consider a lot backdoor draw in the strategic decisions

just saw you already answered a question alike 6 pages ago . Well then I'll just say that you would make another customer happy if you improve the range explorer/ range categorization system

The green and shade of red instead of the green/yellow/orange.

Does anyone know when is good time to download Piocloud files??
I can't always download them...

How do i view the PioCloud files once downloaded? Having a hell of a time figuring it out

looks like I need the PioPreflop Viewer where can i find that file anyone know? I have Basic but am told if I get the file I can view the solves but not run them?

I got a prolem when commining files from differrent strats in one folder and running "Runnout aggregated fq analysis over multiple files"

Ex:
I put in the same folder files from range bet 23%pot and 33%pot and range check strategies.
Im useing the 49flops susets given on pio site.
PIO runs the analysis on 33%pot(the first file w/ wich it starts) and on 100%check files, but gives an error when it arives at a 23%pot file showing the error that i will include below.

Could be that the analysis can e done on only one bet sizeing and check action and that I have to run a script w/ different siengs and the node lock each of them...wich sound like a lot of extra work.

the error: https://gyazo.com/18d2fbbc0fb3717bd7d9dbf7119dbca2

Yes, it will be fixed.

Dropbox where they are uploaded has bandwidth limits. The saves are more popular than we thought and the limit is frequently reached. We will think about uploading them somewhere else but sadly as we are both travelling right now it's not so easy to arrange.

1)download the .zip file
2)unzip it (with 7z or similar program) to a location you can find later
3)Open PioViewer, makes sure you are at the newest version (1.10.13 at the moment)
4)Go to file->load tree, navigate to the folder you unpacked the files in 2), choose one of them.

Make sure that:

1)Only files with the same tree structure (created by the same script) are in the folder
2)You are using the newest (1.10.13 at the moment) version of the viewer

If you put files from different scripts in hte same folder then you are naturally getting an error as aggregation reports are run in a chosen line and that line will not exist in trees with different betting structure.

Is there any tutorial for free version?

Quick noob question - when you click on "strategy" and for instance it says with a certain hand Check 97.2, Bet 2.8. Is it saying that the optimal strategy is to check 97.2% of the time and Bet 2.8% of the time? Or is the optimal strategy for that hand to check 100% of the time?

You can follow the quick start guide here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnzFpjSr3Lk

The free version solves one flop (Qs Jh 2h) which is the one considered in the quick start video.

It means the strategies are 97.2 - 2.8 in the current approximation. Maybe if you solve to better accuracy/longer time it would become 100-0. It's difficult to guess without actually seeing more precise results.

Is there anyway to subset flops from a preflop sim for aggregate analysis? The river aggregate reports are very large

STrategy % representation: is there a way to see "absolute" % of any given action taking for granted that the range in the present node is the one we got there with after splitting it in the previous node?

Example: preflop we might have AA 5betting small, all in, or sometimes call, so when we do 5bet small and face a 6bet the solver will show that we should call only x% (x=100-allin%-call%) for AA is clear that x=every time we get to this node, so it is actually 100% call but for other hands it is impossible to figure out.

Wonder if the option is there for preflopcharts as well as per postflop actions where sometimes is not easy to interpret frequencies.

Hope my question is clear

yes, you'd want to balance by mostly checking but very very occasionally bet.

If you mean to only choose a subset of flops from a sim done on a bigger subset then there is no way to do that.
If you only need overall frequencies though you can use hotness feature which produces a nice table instead of a huge report.


I don't understand what you are asking but let me go through the difference between strategy and range:

1)Strategy is "what we do at given point", this means that strategies for all possible actions always sum up to 100%, for example all-in 70%, call 30%, fold 0%

2)Range is how often we have a given hand at given spot. For example if you have AA in your preflop range, then you 3bet 90%, then you 5bet 50% you have AA after 5bet 1 * 0.9 * 0.5 = 0.45 of the time.

Is there different kind of information you would like to see? Can you give an example of what this number would be?

Hi,

i have made the mistake of saving only very small postflop trees on 184 differents flop with tree size around 15gb each
As you can guess its a lof of solving time but now its pretty much impossible to use the files I have for turn aggregate report as it takes way to long to piosolver to recalculate for every single report.

i would like to use the flop saves(no_turns) I have to continue the calculation and save small trees (no_rivers)

I just can't picture how it would be impossible since solving for a specific turn and a specific line is doable through pioviewer browser

i have tried the following script with no success:

load_tree C:\Users\root\Desktop\MR20bb\2d3sAs.cfr
rebuild_forgotten_streets
solve_all_splits turns | rivers
dump_tree "C:\Users\root\Desktop\2d3sAsbis.cfr" no_rivers

Is it possible to reload the tree parameters in memory and resume solving with assumed flop ranges ( those from the very small saves) ?

if so , help on the script or the command that needs to be used would be appreciated

If the very small saves are 15GB each that would make full trees around 1500GB each, are you sure that is correct?

Pio will only need to recalcuate on turn/river. You can also increase recalc accuracy on the turn to make it faster.

Sadly this is no faster than solving from scratch.
It is possible to do that but we are not describing the option as it's less efficient than just solving from scratch. If you really want it please PM me but again, you will just lose more time.

thank you for your answer punter,

no the estimate tree size was 15 gb , the very small saves are about 1,5 mb

Ok I understand I thought it might have been the reason why you did not display that option.

i will try to diminish the accuracy on the turn to see if I can get report in an acceptable time

In general we recommend flop + turn saves for most use cases. They are still reasonably small. Reports on the river are going to be painful but at least the ones on flop/turns are still very fast.