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Old 07-04-2010, 09:49 AM   #176
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

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Since the update i now get an error that says Service pgsql-8.3 was not found on this computer.
Im running 8.4 not 8.3 so not sure if it has any effect on anything. Its also downloading the new version everytime i start up and remove any definitions again.
That definition that i mentioned is now working though.
Did you reinstall NoteCaddy? The fix for that issue was in the launcher which doesn't get updated unless you reinstall. As far as 8.4, I have to update my warning logic.

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I also forgot to mention that i was having problems with the buffer size for number of hands. I changed it to 300K but then when i run it it looks as though it is only doing just short of 100K
I'll have to look into this
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Old 07-04-2010, 09:44 PM   #177
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

I have a question, though I haven't read the whole thread. I apologize if you've already answered this.

Is there a way of making sample sizes relevant to the note-taking process? I've watched the video on templates and it looks super-cool, but I don't understand if the software automatically writes a note based on single actions.

Let's say I have a 2k hands history with a specific villain, during which he played a draw aggressively ONCE: am I going to have a note that tells me he's aggro with draws on the flop, while in reality he is a scared nit and just tilted that one time?

Is there a way of setting a min number of hands or a percentage of times (or maybe both) to consider an action relevant?

EDIT: also, since I still haven't tried it, how does it look on the PT3 HUD? Does it show an image like in HEM?
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:32 PM   #178
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

Given the complexity of note definitions, I couldn't think of any way to make percentages actually work. As it is right now, you see something was done 1 time in 2k hands, you could more or less disregard it.

The notes are written based on single actions and each time they're seen the counter goes up so you'll get a feel for how strong a tendency is.

I don't have a screenshot handy for PT3 but for HEM it looks like this:

and for PT3 it's basically the same idea.

Here's a TLDR explanation of why the percentages can't work IMO. A note definition is basically a large array of on/off switches. On the surface it might seem like you can say that all the switches need to line up properly and so if only one switch is missing that would be a missed opportunity and so there you have your percentage. In reality, it's more complicated. Let's say we're doing a note based on a pre flop raise and then 2 barreling. What if there's no flop bet? Would that be a missed opportunity? What if there are no draws? Given the seemingly infinite possibility of note definitions, it becomes impossible to determine what needs to happen for it to be a possibility versus having actually happened. If someone wants to suggest an algorithm, you may find me to be surprisingly receptive
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Old 07-05-2010, 07:33 AM   #179
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

So there is a counter next to every note taken that at least states how many occurrences of a certain parameter there are? Good, so it's possible to discard manually unreliable information. Of course, ideally it would be much better if the software did that on its own, but that's a start.

I was wondering, in the customizable templates, wouldn'it it be possible to include a parameter like "consider reliable after x occurrences", "consider very reliable after y occurences" and so on? The note could then display the degree of reliability in brackets or something. Percentages would obviously be better, but I see that they would be pretty hard to manage.

I'm not really good at this, so I'm sorry if what I say doesn't make much sense. It seems to me though that sample size management is something that could really make or break the productivity of the software.

btw, I'll try it out later and post some feedback, if needed
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Old 07-05-2010, 09:15 AM   #180
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

Ok, finally got the program working, thank you. All my definitions work except the following and I am sure that it is something I am doing wrong.

I want to see how many times my opponent donk bets with less than a pair. Preflop, I have actions set with limp/call and anything with cold call (what is a N Bet?) All other buttons under the other tabs are checked. Also, what does previous actions mean preflop?

On the flop I have everything checked under General. Under range, I have the box nothing checked and all first four lines of drawing hands. Under actions I have min and med Bet checked (i play limit, so I assume that is min or med bet?)

Turn and river all boxes are checked.

I still really think you should consider doing the %'s, maybe offer as an option, as I am sure this will slow the processing down. Would the denominator just not be the total number of times that a specified action is done. For example how many times someone donked bet the flop, in the example I sited above? The number is on the hem hud already, but the problem is when you are playing to check the notes and hud and do the maths.

I think this would take your program from merely being helpful to a must have.
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Old 07-05-2010, 09:57 AM   #181
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

I definitely won't rule out doing some kind of a denominator. The problem is that you can do a note definition where someone could donk bet or check raise the flop. In that case, what would be the denominator?
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Old 07-05-2010, 10:25 AM   #182
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

Not sure if I understand what you are asking. If the player c/r's the flop that is not a donk bet, so if you are tracking donkbets, that would not be included. Denominator would only be the action you are tracking, in my example that would just be donk bets.

I had another question. If you add a new definition, and you had just recently updated your notes, does the program know just to add notes for the new definition?
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Old 07-05-2010, 10:31 AM   #183
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

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Did you reinstall NoteCaddy? The fix for that issue was in the launcher which doesn't get updated unless you reinstall. As far as 8.4, I have to update my warning logic.
I downloaded latest version from http://notecaddy.com/download.aspx, i still get the problem about postgres 8.3 not found (i have 8.4 installed). It then crashes when i press start.
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Old 07-05-2010, 10:42 AM   #184
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

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Not sure if I understand what you are asking. If the player c/r's the flop that is not a donk bet, so if you are tracking donkbets, that would not be included. Denominator would only be the action you are tracking, in my example that would just be donk bets.

I had another question. If you add a new definition, and you had just recently updated your notes, does the program know just to add notes for the new definition?
Yeah if you're making a note just for donk bets then it is very easy. But what if you're making a note just for showing any type of aggression? The definition that came with NoteCaddy "plays draws aggressively" is an example. There can be multiple types of aggression thereby making figuring out any type of denominator very difficult. If I were to aggregate all the different possibilities, you'd have to be prepared for a major performance hit.

If you add a new definition, it won't try to add it to hands that are already considered processed. You'd have to Reset Notes and run it again.

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I downloaded latest version from http://notecaddy.com/download.aspx, i still get the problem about postgres 8.3 not found (i have 8.4 installed). It then crashes when i press start.
That's going to get taken care of with today's patch. Sorry for the inconvenience
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Old 07-05-2010, 11:10 AM   #185
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

[QUOTE=SretiCentV;20023019]Yeah if you're making a note just for donk bets then it is very easy. But what if you're making a note just for showing any type of aggression? The definition that came with NoteCaddy "plays draws aggressively" is an example. There can be multiple types of aggression thereby making figuring out any type of denominator very difficult. If I were to aggregate all the different possibilities, you'd have to be prepared for a major performance hit.

You know your program better than I do, but I would think that you are already looking at all of those hands and you would just have to count them. One potential drawback that I just thought of is that the % might be tilted, since you will not see showdown with as many of your draws as made hands.



"If you add a new definition, it won't try to add it to hands that are already considered processed. You'd have to Reset Notes and run it again."


Is there anyway to add this option, since it takes quite awhile to go through the hands if you have a large DB.
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Old 07-05-2010, 11:25 AM   #186
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

You should understand that roughly 90% of the time that NoteCaddy takes to process each hand is spent reading from and writing to the database. If I implemented your suggested functionality, NoteCaddy would still have to run through the entire database for the new definitions. At the very best it'd be a 10% performance increase over the current reprocessing.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:38 PM   #187
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

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I don't have a screenshot handy for PT3 but for HEM it looks like this:

and for PT3 it's basically the same idea.
Here's one:




The icon left of the name is for a player without notes. The icon for those with notes is a different color (Both of which can be edited.) These icons can be made into a separate group and placed wherever you like.
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:41 PM   #188
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

Ok, trying it out (not at the tables yet).

I wanted to make notes about backshoving, but there's no "coldcallraise/4bet" parameter. I guess it should be relatively easy to add, right?

Also, why does it say 10 days trial? I mean, is there already a way to pay for this (which I would do right away, cause this thing looks great)?
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:45 PM   #189
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

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Ok, trying it out (not at the tables yet).

I wanted to make notes about backshoving, but there's no "coldcallraise/4bet" parameter. I guess it should be relatively easy to add, right?

Also, why does it say 10 days trial? I mean, is there already a way to pay for this (which I would do right away, cause this thing looks great)?
The beta ended today and I am currently in the process of transitioning to retail version 1.0. On the website, there is already a way to pay.

I am not familiar with the concept of backshoving but I will research it and definitely add it - you're right it should be easy. I am doing only weekly releases with the next being Saturday as I will be doing large scale tests before any updates (I learned from experience)
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:55 PM   #190
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Re: New companion software for HEM/PT3 - NoteCaddy (Beta 0.2 *Big update 6/19*)

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The beta ended today and I am currently in the process of transitioning to retail version 1.0. On the website, there is already a way to pay.

I am not familiar with the concept of backshoving but I will research it and definitely add it - you're right it should be easy. I am doing only weekly releases with the next being Saturday as I will be doing large scale tests before any updates (I learned from experience)
ok maybe we call the same thing with different names

what I meant is when someone flatcalls an openraise and then 4bets (usually pushing all-in) following a squeeze.
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:10 PM   #191
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Open on top?

I have a folder of poker software shortcuts on my Windows 7 desktop, one of which is NoteCaddy. With the folder open and after I double-click that shortcut, I get the initial NoteCaddy screen, and then I click continue. After the opening screen goes away, it looks like nothing has happened, because NoteCaddy is behind the folder. Can that be changed so it is on top?
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:14 PM   #192
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ok maybe we call the same thing with different names

what I meant is when someone flatcalls an openraise and then 4bets (usually pushing all-in) following a squeeze.
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I have a folder of poker software shortcuts on my Windows 7 desktop, one of which is NoteCaddy. With the folder open and after I double-click that shortcut, I get the initial NoteCaddy screen, and then I click continue. After the opening screen goes away, it looks like nothing has happened, because NoteCaddy is behind the folder. Can that be changed so it is on top?
Both of these suggestions will be in the next patch which will be released on 7/10
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Old 07-05-2010, 06:33 PM   #193
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Re: NoteCaddy - Programmable automatic notes and color coding

I'm getting lots of errors called "caught exception while getting table info: Object reference not set to an instance of an object." and no new notes.
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Old 07-05-2010, 06:46 PM   #194
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Re: NoteCaddy - Programmable automatic notes and color coding

Try going into the filters screen and setting the maximum date to some date like jan 1 2020. For some reason the null date is giving me trouble
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Try going into the filters screen and setting the maximum date to some date like jan 1 2020. For some reason the null date is giving me trouble
Worked; ty.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:46 PM   #196
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Re: NoteCaddy - Programmable automatic notes and color coding

notes are working. color coding not. my pokerstars notes.xml just doesnt chance except the definition

like:

<label index="0" color="FFFF">Rock</label>
<label index="1" color="30FF97">/Whale</label>
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but no colors for players

any idea on that? i have a low sample size, but corrected that in note caddy definitions

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notes are working. color coding not. my pokerstars notes.xml just doesnt chance except the definition

like:

<label index="0" color="FFFF">Rock</label>
<label index="1" color="30FF97">/Whale</label>
...

but no colors for players

any idea on that? i have a low sample size, but corrected that in note caddy definitions

thx
Please enable logging and run the color coding again. Then please send your
ColorDefinitions.xml and log - DDMMYYYY.xml file to support@notecaddy.com

The name of your log file could be different
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Old 07-08-2010, 02:52 PM   #198
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Hi there,

ur sw looks great, but i've a question:

Let's assume that we want to find out who just calls 4bet with monsters (AA/KK), so, after other settings, we're going to select 3bet/call4bet in "Actions" window.
But, now, what actions should I enter in "Previuos Actions"? I mean, let's assume that someone OpenRaises; after this action theoretically we need another oppo's action before we can call 4bet (PFR-our 3bet-HIM 4BET!!-call 4bet with KK/AA). Shoud i have to insert just OpenRaise, or OpenRaise and then 4bet or what?

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Re: NoteCaddy - Programmable automatic notes and color coding

I am going to start a new database and already processed hands from the old database. Will notecaddy not process these hands or will it process them because they are from a new db? trying to make a fresh db and get notes on everyone
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Hi there,

ur sw looks great, but i've a question:

Let's assume that we want to find out who just calls 4bet with monsters (AA/KK), so, after other settings, we're going to select 3bet/call4bet in "Actions" window.
But, now, what actions should I enter in "Previuos Actions"? I mean, let's assume that someone OpenRaises; after this action theoretically we need another oppo's action before we can call 4bet (PFR-our 3bet-HIM 4BET!!-call 4bet with KK/AA). Shoud i have to insert just OpenRaise, or OpenRaise and then 4bet or what?

ty guy!
This is a situation where previous actions don't matter. What you're concerned with is that the player just called the 4 bet. Of course for there to have a 4 bet, he had to do a 3 bet. So you'd just check off "3 bet/call 4-n bet". What happens is that the previous actions are implied here. There can't have been a 4 bet without 2 and 3 bets so you don't have to specify.

The times you would use previous actions is for notes like isolating limpers. You would specify an open raise but that open raise doesn't imply that there were limpers or not - which is why you have to be more specific that there was a limper or limpers. Another example would be for squeezes.

I am going to redo the training video on definition scripting because there are several things I don't make clear enough in them.

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I am going to start a new database and already processed hands from the old database. Will notecaddy not process these hands or will it process them because they are from a new db? trying to make a fresh db and get notes on everyone
For notes, NoteCaddy sees each database as completely isolated from each other. So if you have the same hands in 2 databases, NoteCaddy will take the same notes and apply them on their respective databases.

For color coding it's a little different. NoteCaddy aggregates the stats across all selected databases and categorizes the player based on all stats.
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