right about "display range" I was clicking range details, but how do I get 1.1% ev for K5s?

I currently got

Hand K5s
Played 100%
EVDiff% 0.617468

This is for the SB with 68% push.
you have to look at BB's range
you have to manually refresh the displayed range by clicking display range.

Right, indeed computes correctly. Also even though there are iterations, result apears to be fixed.

Nice work, its not very intuitive to use though. I can see that for 0% mindiff ev our results match completely. Guess I never compared to HM resources cause I didn't know how to use it, and didnt suspect that cause it doesn't display any win% odds or smth, just EVs. So this bug was supposed to be known for year now?

It is actually mentioned in the FAQ of the 2007 calculator that splits/side pots are handled correctly. I personally do not use wiz, and always assumed it would also handle splits correctly.

And to be honest, i never thought it would be a big deal in practice anyway. You definitely deserve credit for showing that this actually matters.

Regarding the iterations:
The main functionality of the calculator is to find Nash Equilibrium ranges, the iterations mentioned are Fictitious Play iterations. The EVs are fully calculated for every iteration though, there is no approximation in that regard.

Hmm well I was kinda thinking that if wizard is not handling split pots correctly as of september 2011 it would mean that is an unknown issue. If you had that working since 2007 its pretty sick to be honest. (4 years?!) I understand iteration approach now, indeed there is no magical way, I think, to find nash exception iterations.

It will be nice if the software has chip ev mode to let us analyse push/fold spots in MTT SNGs just like the one in wiz.

Chip EV will be added this week I believe. I got ill a little so updates arent coming as fast as I want.

Meanwhile I have updated Range Editor control to be much more usable and intuitive.

Now you can manually enter range with mouse, include /exclude hands "draw style" (hold left mouse button and move mouse over hands).

I was told that it wasn't clear that you can edit range manually using keyboard before, I hope now its obvious. On screenshot I have a range that you cannot have in SngWizard for example. Notice that its not a range of any value, just displaying possibilities of range control so it is clear.

You still can edit range with keyboard, or paste it in textbox below colored hands square.



You can currently find my program here http://www.tenbb.com/pokericm/icmizer

That will be awesome and could you display the equity needed for calling all in ?
Anyway thanks for your great work.
Hope u get well soon.

Hi Hangson, thanks for kind words.

Could you elaborate that request? Does any software currently implement that? If I understand correctly its harder than it sounds. Ill explain my concerns when I hear your elaboration. Maybe its simpler than I think.

For example,
9max STT with the following stack size

UTG : 5000
BN : 5000
SB : 2000
BB : 1500

we are in BB with 1500 stack, blinds are 100/200
it's folded around to SB and he pushes
We need 49.22% to call the all in for breakeven.

As far as I know, ICM Explorer is currently the only software that can calculate the equity we need when we call the push.

Actually when you are calling allin you dont really care about your Equity, but you care about your Win% and Tie%. Since I believe ICM Explorer is ignoring Tie like most other programs it can give you some vague EQ required. In reality however EQ could be 50% and it can be 2.17% win+ 47.83% tie or 0.30% tie and 49.70% win, which will have same EQ but different results.

If you follow my description about aces you will see that if we just look at equity we can end up with huge mistakes in calculations.

So value that you would like to see simply is a misleading number, which can only appear when calculations are not correct.

What I can suggest currently if you are really curious, you could choose worst hand from evaluate all range result and check what equity it has against opponent push range. (hover over (i) against pusher after you recompute situation for the worst hand. notice that you got to figure out what hand is actually worst from resulting range, which isnt that trivial at times.).
Guess its only option currently to give you an idea about some kind of EQ required.

OK I see it
Thanks for the explanation
I would like to suggest one more feature which is calculating what range we can call when opponents resteal all in.

say for example,
We are on BN with 15BB effective stacks
We open 2.5x and BB 3bet us all in
We want to know what range we should call base on the icm equity.

It will be nice if the software can calculate that.

Yes this is a frequent request, it will be addead at some point. But even right now you can analyze such situations often.

In order to get such calculations currently you need some manual work.

Generally you need to create custom blindstructure and place yourself on BB as if opponent pushes into you. Reorder stacks as necessary and you can get calculations closely matching the situation you describe. It is a workaround of course and in some cases it will not be exact match. If resteal happens from either BB or SB you should be able to caclulate exact situation .

Is there any way to download this tool as an application for Mac or as a software for PC? Thanks

No its not downloadable, its available online from browser on both Windows PC and Mac though.

You are welcome.

ICMIZER has changed domain and can now be found at : http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/

I have also updated website a little, hopefully it looks better than before.

Main news - there is now a google [+1] button and you can thank me by hitting it

I was ill but now feel pretty good so hopefully awaited features (payouts, chip ev, blinds and some more ) will be added pretty soon.

I also got pretty good ideas about 3 way computations

Probably a dumb question. How do I put hero in BB?

You need to select appropriate mode for that.

In [Push] mode hero cannot be on BB, so select either [Call] or [Resteal] mode because those are used for situations when hero is on BB.

Hope this helps, feel free to ask further if needed.

A lot of updates were added today regarding basic ICM calculator.

Maximum number of players is increased to 15 (a little experimental cause if payout has > 10 paid positions, calculation can take forever) but useful at times.

Main new feature - display mode in dollars. Now you can input tournament prizepool and see corresponding ICM equities for players in dollars.

Heres a screenshot:



It is available here : http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/ic...#icmcalculator

I believe now it is the best basic ICM calculator available, and should be very useful for final table ICM deals. If you got ideas how to make it better or know a better one please let me know, ill work on mine to improve it.

Also design of [Add Payout Structure] dialog has been changed and made more logical.

Heres updated dialog view:



Last but not least, I found a little tweak in ICM calculations algorithm so now everything is done faster, at times up to 2x faster than before.

Now Ill be working on ability to save new payout structures, chip ev mode and more.

Cheers for the prompt reply!

Are there any plans to make the site accessible in app/software format?

Also, I see the site just got updated today, looking great! How often do you update the tool with new functionalities?

Many thanks!

Thanks for kindest words KelvinKe! heh, im like the worst designer ever, but thanks =) im pleased.

Functionality is being constantly added, here and there. Updates are available whenever you open ICMIZER and are downloaded automatically.

Once I add enough like big chunk ill post about it here and update changelog on site. Also If I add some great new feature set I think ill send out emails to registered users about that, but thats not anywhere soon yet. (im thinking when Ill add 3 way calculations, or tournament loadings, or ICM trainer mode, not before that)

App/software format is not planned yet. I plan to make app more usable from browsers, so if you got suggestions why you so eagerly want to have it in app format , (meaning your not satisfied with current looks/usability) id be glad to hear and hopefully fix.

Site isn't very resisable yet, is that the issue for you?

I have finally added CHIP EV mode. In chip ev mode no payout structure is used, and results are produced in tXXX . Notice that this is happening everywhere min cEV diff, cEV fold, details against specific players evs and both charts are displayed in cEV too.

I have also added what I hope most will find probably even more useful, a DOLLAR EV ($EV) mode. In this mode you need to specify tournament prizepool, and you will see results in actual $ not percents that are hard to understand at times, especially if we are talking about MTT final table. Also notice that prizepool is taken automatically if you create new MTT payout using dollar mode. Like both other mode $ev mode affects all output locations. (evs, min $Ev, charts etc)

Let me know what you think, ill be adding some screenshots and details tomorrow.

As usual icmizer can be found here: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/

I tested it but if you find an error please let me know.

More about DOLLAR EV$ mode.

Poker players mostly care about $ in the end. ICM and stuff is good, but we need to win $ not ICM equity. Also I believe min diff% is a little difficult for new players to grasp at times (saw too much threads where they don't understand this concept). Some think of it as an "edge" we got against opposition or other weird interpretations.

In reality definition is simple, its amount of $ we win in current hand if we push, compared to folding alternative, simple as that. So I am introducing $EV mode display which helps with that greatly. In this mode you need to specify your tournament prizepool $ first. Then you choose number of $ you want to make by pushing, compared to folding and select min $EV diff value to lets say 0.25$ in a hand in some medium stake game.

Then ICMIZER will compute hands that satisfy that condition and will display results in actual dollars.

Currently it looks like this:



Notice that Charts and player details also show up dollar values.

$EV mode is especially useful for MTTs where edge% is difficult to choose because its hard to say how much actual $ is this 0.02% diff worth (total tournament prizepool can be hard to infer from stacks sum and even multiplication can be not so easy).

So I recommend $EV mode for MTT hands. Notice that if you are creating a MTT payout structure using $ amounts, PrizePool is inherited from this tourney structure automatically once you switch to output to ICM $EV mode, which should be useful, as you will not have to input it again.

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User interface was becoming a little overloaded with textboxes so with some great ideas of Constor UI has been tweaked a little and should be easier to understand from first glance.

Now it has more "converted hand history format" look, but its not the end of planned UI changes, just the beginning of them. (Villian text location is very suboptimal currently, but it will be fixed)

Also results were reworked a little, so the most important part (result) is big and visible.

Another annoying issue some had were details popups which were only showing up 5 seconds, this has been fixed now they don't hide and you can CTRL+C text from them.

Now I'll be finally working on creating user payout structures, meanwhile 2 table SNG payout was added.

Updated user interface look:



Let me know what you think.