You have a good point, but I feel that the "spirit" of that law to to prevent card counting with computer devices at blackjack tables. It was not designed to prevent record keeping at poker tables.

Currently we allow record keeping with pen and paper at poker tables but not at blackjack tables (AFAIK). Same goes for phones -- they are allowed on poker tables and not blackjack tables, so the casinos recognize that the law is aimed at blackjack.

If this went to court, I suspect the app would win, but its unfortunate that it could possibly come to that, and it's surprising to see how much anger this app has generated from the live game pros.

Yeah, it would be annoying entering everything in.... but it would keep me paying attention to the game reguardless and that alone is ++EV

so it doesnt calculate/display VP$IP%?

trying to play it off like its just "record keeping" is pretty disingenuous.

It records the percentage of hands played by each player.

Haha this is amazing. ETA on droid release date?

Lmao this is great

seems intresting and i do like the idea. but i do have to side with teddyFBI, i have a feeling that this is ilegal at a live table (why we can do it online and not live i don't know) but its a very fine line to walk.

I'll probally download and have a look for curisosity sak though

If this app is illegal at live tables any phone would be illegal as well. We can see this is the case by looking at other table games -- phones are not allowed on the table or to be used during play; with poker they are allowed. If you use your calculator, record keeping "poker journal" type apps, poker stove type apps, or take notes on players with notepad you would be in the same "gray area." If you text another player in the casino you're getting really gray, and if you look at 2p2.com using your phone you should pretty much be arrested on the spot, right?

I think it's fairly obvious that none of the above activities are offensive or illegal; banning the tracking application would require banning phones at poker tables, which some casinos do. Many, and all in Las Vegas, allow phones at the table and as such allow myriad software and communications programs to be used that may appear to conflict with the law on the books, but laws have two parts -- the written law and the precedent that courts have set regarding those laws. AFAIK there is no precedent in punishing poker players who use phones, smart phones, or any of the software available for smart phones.

There's no precedent because there hasnt been much available... but that doesnt mean there wont be problem software on the way. Its probably inevitable.

I dont want someone to be able to calculate Nash equilibrium shoving ranges at the table. I dont want someone to be freaking out the fishes... and probably most importantly, I dont want people *slowing the game down* by using their phone at the table.

Ban it all.

Best would be to use a phone with a physical numpad. Numbers 1-9 for seats. Other buttons for raise/call. Then a nice little robotic voice telling me vpip/pfr via my headphones. Phone stays in the pocket and no one is the wiser Might whip something up for my nokia

Not a bad idea for a stealth application. Meh. I guess we'll see how the app works out in the end. I wonder if the live nits will succeed in flipping their **** so much that casinos change the rules.

it wouldn't be a rule change it a lot of places. everyplace that i play already doesn't allow any phones out at the table when someone is in a hand.

omfg

You don't really have to have the phone out when anyone is in a hand, the entry can be done between hands.

with augmented reality this might not be too far off

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I can't see the need for a HUD when you are single-tabling, especially if it doesn't remember opponent stats across sessions.

Try estimating the stats of each player at the table, then track them and see how far off you really are. I'm usually very very wrong.

LOL A couple of regulars and I used to stack our chips in certain ways to track these things back in the day. Essentially the equivalent of a poker abacus.

Yeah I started with the chip-stacking, then moved to using excel on my phone, and finally to the application. The chip stacking proves quite difficult unless you are tracking one player only, and the excel method takes about 13 clicks per hand. The software takes about three clicks.

Could potentially effect bad beat jackpots. I've heard dealers tell me that anyone on their phone whether or not they were in the BBJ winning hand will disqualify the BBJ.

It needs an emergency "boss screen" with a secure password. Something like this


and an option for bar graph stats instead of numbers

Having the ability to take a picture of someone and attaching to stats would be awesome

Ha, this is a funny idea. It is cool the things that people are capable of in 2011.

I agree to disguise the app just a little bit. Just another skin would be good. That way beginners could learn the app on the main skin, but then switch it over when they get the hang of it.

I think it needs to keep records of the regs, too. Just have a little database that you can save regs names and list their vpip/pfr. Another option for 3bet would be cool too.

still no droid version right?