Im going to turn my computer off now since its 4am and im dead tired. It would be great if pokerstars would express their opinion in this thread so that we can get a really clear picture of what is and what isnt ok.

Mvh
Inga

So its a auto fold but you have bent the rules by using the sit out feature to fold for you, don't think this will fly with PS will wait and see.

Microgaming have a autofold now so you never know.

Yes, the last word belongs to PokerStars, and I am waiting for it answer.

But I really can't see how these features have to do with an autofolder.

An auto folder program watches your hole cards, your position, how many opponents play the hand, looks at the pot, calculate your pot odds and decides for you that you have to fold, pressing automatically the Fold button.

You can use an auto-folder program both with cash tables and tournament tables, real money tables and play money tables.

And now the new PSHW features:

-You can't use them in cash tables, simply because if you are in sit out you don't receive hole cards
-You can't use them in real money tournament tables, because you would not join billions of playable hands, depending from your position and pot odds (hands that a TRUE autofolder would never fold)

The new features are simple an ALERT that advise you that you have certains hole cards by prompting your table and putting you in sit in (I think that to put a table automatically in sit in has NOTHING TO DO with the hands to play). PSHW don't calculate your pot odds and don't decides that you have to play the hand, pressing the Call or Raise buttons.

I don't see NOTHING of automatic about the hand to play: it's your yob to verify your cards, your position and then if to partecipate to the hand or not.

Players in sit out are not players that folds all their own hands, are players that don't play their own hands... it's not the same thing, imho. The evidence is that in cash tables they don't receive cards.
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So your program "pushes" the sit in button when you have hand good enough to be played, and when the hand is not good enough it allows the hand to be folded. That means your program makes the decision that some hands should be folded and some shouldn't be. That makes it an auto folder.

You see nothing automatic about the fact that the vast majority of hands will be folded for you without you making any decision as to whether or not the hands should be played? The process of folding bad hands IS automatic for you since your program filters them out of the range of hands for which you have to make a decision. The fact that there are still hands for which you have to make a decision doesn't matter. Most of your hands are still automatically folded and which those hands are is determined not by you or the pokerstars software but by your program, so it is an autofolder.

Your program decides which hands should be autoamtically folded and which shouldn't be, thats the definition of an autofolder. The fact that your program doesnt have the full range of functionality that more advanced autofolders have doesnt matter either. An auto folder is a program that makes a decision to fold some hands and not others. The sofistication of the decision making process is irrelevant. A TRUE autofolder is a program that manages the folding of hands for you, whether the program is good or bad at it is irrelevant. The fact that your program leaves you to make the decision to play or fold some small subset of hands, doesnt save it from being an autofolder, since it still makes sure that some hands are folded without your input.

Mvh
Inga

From a certain point of view your thougt is right... but this is philosophy... facts are that the player is in sit out by the allowed check of the check box "sit out next hand".

Following your thought I can say that if you check the "sit out next hand" check box you make an autofolder, and so the check box on the PokerStar tables has to be prohibited: or you play or you close the table, putting you in sit out you auto fold your hands!!

And now follow my reasoning: if PSHW only would emit an alert sound if you are in Sit Out and have certain cards... it should be an autofolder??

Surely you will say: not, in this case only is an alert. Well, the program, too, puts the table in foreground and put you in sit in... it is not an autofolder, but only an enhanced alert.

In my opinion, obviously....

I am not in accord with you: PSHW don't makes decisions.. it only advise you that you have certain cards... any decision is a your yob.

I should be in accord with you ONLY if the program would put you automatically in game, pressing the Call or Raise buttons without your intervention (as an autofolfer folds without your intervention).

In fact, if an autofolder to be an AUTO folder must put you AUTOMATICALLY out of the game, pressing the Fold button, I think it is OBVIOUS that a specular program, to be considered an autofolder, must put you AUTOMATICALLY IN GAME. If it does not this job it is only an enhanced alert.
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I'm sorry but your arguments are getting silly. Its certainly not philosophy or a matter of interpretation. To say that by my logic the sit out button in itself is a autofolder is silly in this context.

A program that according to some grouping of hands pushes the fold button for you if the hand is outside a certain group or leaves the decision to you if it is in a group is an autofolder.

The only difference between such a program and yours is that you have found a clever way to get around the actual pushing of the fold button. You do that by having your program push the sit out button instead of the fold button.

The outcome of the two solutions (pushing fold and pushing sit out) are the same and so the same rule should apply to both.

In the case of using an alert I think that is dangerously close to an autofolder since it allows you to use program to filter all hands deemed not playable. That is in that case you would be using a program to save you from having to make decision in the vast majority of hands you play.

If you use a program that saves you from having to make decisions for yourself by making those decisions for, which your program does by allowing certain hands to be folded and not others, then you are using an autofolder.

How you can argue that your program doesnt make decisions when it makes a decision as to whether or not a hand should be folded for every single hand dealt, is beyond me.

We have been debating this back and forth now and I feel we are walking in circles and nothing new is coming out of it, so Im going to stop posting here until we hear from pokerstars. I assume you will make their responce public?

My tone is maybe a little hard, but I dont mean anything bad by it. For what its worth, I think you have found a rather clever way of creating your AUTOFOLDER

Mvh
Inga

But there is a BIG difference, imho, between to push the Fold button and the I'm back button.

In the first case you act while you play the hand, when automatisms are prohibited. In the secon case you simply return in Sit In... what does have to do this job with the hand that you still have to decide if to play or not?

Of course...

Absolutely no problems mate
We are only confronting different thougths...
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ezio2000, just think what these features do basically - they filter out unwanted hands and let you play desired hands automatically, this exact process is forbidden, the way of implementation is meaningless. Gl with the support.

Quick answer from the support:

Yeah, they are making the same interpretation that I and others in this thread have, which was expected. Thanks for posting their reply!

Mvh
Inga

Not at all, mate

In few days I will upload a new version without the "Aut Sit In if Group..." features. The auto sit-in feature if in sit-out for time-out is allowed and will remain.

Bye!

New version 1.2.0.6:

Now is displayed the "official" poker hand value, but the "board points" are put between brackets, if the option is selected.
Example: HoleCards 7c 9h - Board Ac Jh Ad 5d Js ==> Two pair: (A) and (J)

Now if you minimize the tables, them are no longer automatically maximized. Instead, a message (that can be disabled) warns that the chat can not be read and therefore the current hand is reset. The message will still appear only once per session.

Bye.
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New version 1.2.0.8

• Now PSHW reads the chat also in french language. Added french language for Hand Value, Menu and Help file.
• Now at them startup the Panels are positioned under the Buy-in window, if present.

I remember that PSHW is a PokerStars utility.
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Version 1.2.1.2

• New feature: auto-closing of the Buy-in window.
• New feature: auto-check of the Auto-Rebuy check box, if present
• New feature: auto-closing of the News windows
• New feature: tables cycle by Control + mouse wheel
• Now PSHW reads the chat also in Spanish language.

New languages will be added soon. If someone plays in a not present language and wants to try PSHW in his own language, can ask here.
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New version 1.2.1.5

Now in the Hand value label is displayed also if the hand itself is the Nut.



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New version 1.2.2.1

New feature: Bet Timer (the big azure label)


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hmmm interesting programm, I guess I will try it out the next few days.

It's probably only a small feature compared to the main functions of the software but am I allowed to say that I really want/like this bet timer feature

cheers

Version 1.2.2.7 (07 April 2012)

•Fixed a bug for which sometimes did not appear the Bet Timer
•Fixed a bug for which some times the Bet Timer appeared also if the action is preselected

I remind that until a maximim of two tables opened at the same time PSHW is unlimited time freeware

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New version 1.2.3.1. Now PSHW reads the chat also in russian language.

So atm PSHW reads the chat in English, French, Italian, Russian and Spanish language.

For these languages: English, Italian and French, are displayed in the own languages menus, messages and any writing. For other languages is displayed in its own language only the value of the hand (label 7 of the panels). Any other writing or message is displayed in English.

If you change the Lobby language then you must close and open again the Lobby, so that the changes are correctly saved in the PokerStars configuration file, and then close and restart PS Hand Watcher, if it were open, so that it can read the new settings.

New version 1.2.4.6

-Now by left click on the program icon can be opened a little stats window



-Now can be displayed your Preflop position / players that received hole cards
(label #8 of the HUD). Only for registered users.


-Fixed a bug related to the new Zoom tables (Zoom tables are are considered as multiple tables, so the HUD only appears to registered users)

I remind that until two "normal" game tables PSHW is unlimited time free.
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New version 1.2.5.1

Now the Stats window can be launched also by hotkey

Now Preflop (and also after if you fold) instead of the draws labels (4, 5 and 6) are displayed:
-the number of played hands (label 9)
-the win/loss amount at true money cash tables (label 10)






The new feature is available both to registered and unregistered users.

Since PSHW reads the cash win in the HH, the new feature requires the PokerStars Hand History enabled. HH can be saved both in english, french, italian or spanish language.
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Ezio,

I downloaded & tried running your program.

I get the following:
With the freeware version you can't log more than
two tables at the same time.

PS Hand Watcher will be closed.
Even though I ran it with one table.

TRUE! Sorry, in the last version I have changed lot of code, I have not noticed that.

Some hours and I will upload a new version. Ty for the information.
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@Adaptive

Please try the v1.2.5.2 and tell me if the problem has been solved

Bye
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If you could add pot odds as a % and/or opponent's bet size as a % of the pot I would be willing to donate a lot more than 3.50 please and thank you!