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Old 01-03-2015, 08:23 AM   #1
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NEED4SEAT Highstakes Seater




"If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker." - Mike from the movie 'Rounders'

That's cool, but NEED4SEAT won't need half an hour. It spots the sucker in less than a fraction of a second and automatically seats you next to him. You focus on your game, while NEED4SEAT handles your table selection.


WHY YOU SHOULD USE NEED4SEAT
  1. INCREASE YOUR WINRATE Sitting next to the fish every time will boost your winrate dramatically.
  2. PLAY MORE TABLES
    With 8 supported poker clients, there will always be good games available.
  3. EXPERIENCE LESS VARIANCE
    With a better winrate, variance will have a much lower impact.
  4. IMPROVE YOUR FOCUS
    Observe your games instead of the poker lobbies.

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I WANT TO TRY IT

Just download the software, extract the archive (no installation required) and start NEED4SEAT. The free 7 day trial will begin automatically.




PRICING & SUBSCRIPTION PLANS

You can choose between one of four subscription plans, depending on how many of the 8 supported clients you want to use.
Prices are for 30 day subscriptions, which will not auto renew. Ofcourse there is no limit cap.


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Old 01-03-2015, 01:53 PM   #2
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Need4seat is a well known gaming chair company.,,
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Old 01-03-2015, 02:07 PM   #3
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that's need for seat noch need4seat.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:42 AM   #4
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Too expensive !
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:03 PM   #5
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The biggest problem that I ran into game selecting was not getting seated, it was de-seating myself after the fish had left (doing this manually every time took up most of my focus and resources, since I was constantly scanning the tables visually and closing out tables) -- does this program pick you up from the table after the marked player leaves?
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Old 01-06-2015, 02:51 PM   #6
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The biggest problem that I ran into game selecting was not getting seated, it was de-seating myself after the fish had left (doing this manually every time took up most of my focus and resources, since I was constantly scanning the tables visually and closing out tables) -- does this program pick you up from the table after the marked player leaves?
You mean if you played like half an hour, then the fish leaves? No it doesn't do that and it's probably not that easily implemented. In order to check if the fish is still sitting, the table has to have a fixed size. I could implement something that checks if we still want to sit every given interval (then all played tables would be resized for a few milliseconds and checked - you would ofcourse notice this resize though). Would this be good enough for you?
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Old 01-06-2015, 03:01 PM   #7
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Sounds great, but for €350 a month (!) I will do the clicking myself
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Old 01-06-2015, 04:23 PM   #8
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You mean if you played like half an hour, then the fish leaves? No it doesn't do that and it's probably not that easily implemented. In order to check if the fish is still sitting, the table has to have a fixed size. I could implement something that checks if we still want to sit every given interval (then all played tables would be resized for a few milliseconds and checked - you would ofcourse notice this resize though). Would this be good enough for you?
I would be interested in something actually left the table for me when the fish was no longer sitting -- the biggest challenge that I had when game selecting, was that checking the player list to leave tables (after the fish left) was exhausting.

Also, one of the other challenges to using seat selection software, is that often times you will end up with the fish's seat, right after they leave. To prevent this, the program would actually have to scan in real-time, or do some kind of quick scan of the player list (immediately) before joining the table, do you see what I'm saying? However, if there was a feature that just closed the table whenever the fish was not seated there, then this wouldn't be a problem.

I don't see why this would be hard to build, since it seems like a combination of your existing features (scanning player lists/game selection) and features that exist in other programs (most of the table actions should be programmable to hot-key features, based on what I've seen, and then maybe you could set up some kind of loop where if the pre-marked player is not at the table, then the program executed the hot-key command that corresponds to closing the table or something).

I'm actually quite interested in this, since it was by far the biggest challenge to using game selection software. Feel free to send me a (private) message, if you would like to talk more.

Also, I do think that your price is reasonable if you implement these features; if you built a full-suite of table selection software, that did everything for you (except playing), then I would gladly pay the amount that you asking for this (but I also have a better idea for your pricing that I think will meet w/ less resistance).
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:07 PM   #9
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Edit: I took a closer look at what you proposed, and that makes sense as a slight improvement, but it's not the core issue -- The physical act of repeatedly moving your eyes across (a lot of tables) to check over every player at the table, and then mousing over the table to close it, and then doing it over and over and over, that becomes exhausting throughout the day.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:21 PM   #10
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Please add me on skype: chicken_1990 or send me a PM with your contact information, so we can discuss this further. I'm sure we'll find a solution.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:24 PM   #11
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It doesn't give me the ability to send you a private message (on here). Feel free to message me instead, if you are able to.
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Old 01-07-2015, 02:47 AM   #12
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It doesn't give me the ability to send you a private message (on here). Feel free to message me instead, if you are able to.
I am not, unfortunately. I can only offer you to contact me on skype (chicken_1990) or via email (info@need-4-seat.com).
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Old 01-07-2015, 01:13 PM   #13
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I just read the features list again -- so in order for the program to work, you need to open every table that you are interested in possibly playing at (rather than just having a program which scans the lobby)?

For example, if I was interested in (fully) game selecting at NL200 on PartyPoker, I would be required to open every single table of NL200 on PartyPoker, and then open every new table which was started?
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Old 01-07-2015, 01:36 PM   #14
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I just read the features list again -- so in order for the program to work, you need to open every table that you are interested in possibly playing at (rather than just having a program which scans the lobby)?

For example, if I was interested in (fully) game selecting at NL200 on PartyPoker, I would be required to open every single table of NL200 on PartyPoker, and then open every new table which was started?
Exactly. The lobbies usually update too slowly to get good seats. What you can do though, is use a program like TableScan to open up all tables available and use that combined with my program.
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:52 PM   #15
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What you can do though, is use a program like TableScan to open up all tables available and use that combined with my program.
No, this is not true.

--Poker sites (e.g. PartyPoker) have a maximum number of tables which you may open, including the tables on which you are playing.


This is not to mention the complexity of manually scanning the lobby to open new tables as soon as they are started (even if there is no maximum which may be opened).

The major challenge that I have mentioned in the original response is actually compounded by your design.

You've been consistent and helpful in addressing my questions, and (yet) I'm having trouble understanding why anybody who wants to play high-volume would (actually) buy this program. It seems that your target market is either those who do not understand how it works, or those who want to manually open tables throughout their entire session.

The price of your program is incomparably more than the next best options out there (as far as I know), and yet for a high-volume grinder, the program (arguably) provides less value.

Am I misunderstanding something?
--Who is this program meant for?
--How is one to "Focus on the action, not selection!" when they are required to manually scan the lobby, and constantly open up tables throughout the day (if they are even allowed to open additional tables, depending on the number of tables that they are already playing, and the site(s) on which they are playing).
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:47 AM   #16
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No, this is not true.

--Poker sites (e.g. PartyPoker) have a maximum number of tables which you may open, including the tables on which you are playing.
That is right, unfortunately. If youre not mixing too many limits, on most of the sites you can check most of the tables you want to play simultaneosly.

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This is not to mention the complexity of manually scanning the lobby to open new tables as soon as they are started (even if there is no maximum which may be opened).
AFAIK TableScan does exactly that for you. Every given interval it opens all the tables which have been added in the lobby.


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You've been consistent and helpful in addressing my questions, and (yet) I'm having trouble understanding why anybody who wants to play high-volume would (actually) buy this program. It seems that your target market is either those who do not understand how it works, or those who want to manually open tables throughout their entire session.

The price of your program is incomparably more than the next best options out there (as far as I know), and yet for a high-volume grinder, the program (arguably) provides less value.
I don't really know what you're looking for. If you show me a program which does what you want, maybe I'll understand. There are alot of people using SeatingScripts on higher limits and its simply the fastest way to get seated.
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Old 01-08-2015, 10:17 AM   #17
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TableScan takes care of scanning the lobby for you.

When I said manually, I meant that with your program, I am going to end up (personally) clicking through the lobbies, and then opening the tables myself, and (therefore) reducing the number of tables that I'm actually playing, both directly and indirectly. I've used programs which scan the lobby for you and then automatically seat you or sign you up to the waitlist, without you needing to open any tables. I am looking for a program like that, which will (also) automatically leave the table for you if the fish leaves.
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:10 AM   #18
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I imagine I'm your target customer as I play mostly 3/6 and 5/10 across multiple sites. $350 per month for 1 site is very expensive. Now supposing I want to play 3 sites that's over $1000 per month! That's mental!
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:54 PM   #19
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I've used software (that was available to a select few) that was charging $250 - $500 per month, (possibly more), and it was infinitely better than what Need4Seat is proposing.

--I don't see how this is worth more than $25/month, if that.
--If you implemented some of the other features, though, I could see myself paying $1000/month.
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Also, TableScan does not open tables, unless you ask it to or pre-set it to, but it will add you to lists w/ out actually opening the table.
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Old 01-08-2015, 02:04 PM   #21
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re: Need4Seat - "Focus on the action, not selection!" !Seater for all major platforms!

I actually use need4seat in combination w/ TST and it works quite well.
I configured TST to open every table i'm currently not sitting at in a 60sec interval.

I can see your problems when maybe 9+ tabling, but for me playing 4-6 tables max, it's no big deal to manually close tables when the funplayer is gone.
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Old 01-08-2015, 02:28 PM   #22
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I've used software (that was available to a select few) that was charging $250 - $500 per month, (possibly more), and it was infinitely better than what Need4Seat is proposing.

--I don't see how this is worth more than $25/month, if that.
--If you implemented some of the other features, though, I could see myself paying $1000/month.
Could you maybe provide me with a link or something? I'm always looking to improve the program, I just think that the software you are looking for is doing something totally different.
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I imagine I'm your target customer as I play mostly 3/6 and 5/10 across multiple sites. $350 per month for 1 site is very expensive. Now supposing I want to play 3 sites that's over $1000 per month! That's mental!
Well first of all this is not limited to 5T, you can play any limit you want. In addition to that, just imagine you're getting 2-3 good seats because of the software, you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
That might almost pay off the software for the entire month.
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:26 PM   #24
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Could you maybe provide me with a link or something? I'm always looking to improve the program, I just think that the software you are looking for is doing something totally different.
When I was using this software, it was not publicly available (except for a brief period of time), but here are the key features that would get me very interested:

1) Wait-listing tables w/ out the tables (being required to be) open. Without this feature, your software is just a table slotting program, as far as I can see. Somebody, if they were smart it, could probably get those features working for themselves (permanently) for a lot less money, and have no reason to buy your software.

2) At least some kind of auto sit-out button if the fish leaves the table. Preferably, some kind of automatic table closer (when the fish leaves).

The first requirement seems most important, and I just realized that most of the sites out there can probably be configured with a hot-key to auto-close the tables, but it would still be nice to have at least some kind of auto sit-out feature (not when the fish sits out, just when they leave), so that no focus was invested in constantly looking over all of the players at your tables, to see if the fish is still there.
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All prices have been reduced to 250€/site/month!
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