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Old 11-23-2018, 03:23 PM   #826
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Re: MonkerSolver

I haven't able to log into monkerviewer in two days. When I click login the arrows just turn repeatedly. I can open the solver no problem. Are there any common reasons for this issue? I recently installed it and it was working fine the first few days.

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Old 11-25-2018, 10:11 AM   #827
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The easiest thing to do is click the AUTO button in the bottom right, then right click on the very top of the tree where it says "2 way, preflop" -> add to all -> postflop nodes w/o donk
Working fine now. Thanks!
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:54 PM   #828
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Re: MonkerSolver

So from looking at this thread seems like the official monkersolver support is non-existing for like a year?
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:32 AM   #829
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hello all,

i am new to the software and i want to ask a question that may be obvious to all of you but please humor me:

do we know for certain that monkersolver is producing accurate solutions for omaha sims? (within reason, nothing is perfect). how do we know that the omaha solutions are close to equilibrium?

in monker website i see these answers but they dont really confirm anything

1 What is nGTO?
nGTO is an informal term for ε-nash equilibrium strategies. Nash equilibrium strategies maximizes the utility against its worst case adversary, which in zero-sum games means it cannot lose. Nash equilibriums in complex games are usually not attainable. Instead, the term ε-nash equilibrium is used to denote strategies which only lose ε to its worst case adversary. The aim is nevertheless the same - to play as unexploitable as possible.

2 How accurate are the ranges?
This is difficult to measure for a number of reasons. We don't have the resources to calculate the exploitability of the full strategy. Even if we did, most of the exploitability comes from the suboptimal postflop play due to the postflop abstraction. How much of this trickles down to the preflop ranges is unclear. The question how exploitable the preflop ranges are given optimal postflop play is impossible for us to answer.

Comparing our preflop limit ranges, which use the same postflop abstraction as our other ranges, to the proven nash equilibrium strategies of Cepheus indicates that our ranges are very accurate.



thank you, +evillain

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Old 11-27-2018, 09:01 PM   #830
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Re: MonkerSolver

anyone have the link for discord group? thanks.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:22 AM   #831
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hello everyone, i have a couple questions im hoping someone can help me out with. hopefully these havent appeared too many times already in the thread.

1.im curious how many of you are running HU/6mx PLO sims on a PC which you built/ordered custom and how many of you are renting server space?

2. what set of features are required in a PC build to comfortably run HU and 6mx omaha trees? is 128 RAM enough to handle 40bb 6mx?

thanks for any feedback
I think most people that build PCs, will have some Threadripper solution with 128 GB RAM. A few will have some sort of server hardware configuration. A lot of people just rent servers through Contabo.

You can setup some HU Omaha trees with 128 GB RAM, and also create some 40bb solutions, but you will have to make some sacrifices to get accurate data. I believe this is somewhat feasible if you know what you are doing.

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I exported multiple ranges folders from monkersolver and placed them all in subfolders in the ranges folder. But some of them show on the server and then some folders don't show. Also on my home PC I can't get any of the folders to show at all in monkerviewer. How come some of them show on the server and some don't, and then none them show at all on my home PC?
You need to maintain the folder structure that Monkersolver chooses by default when you export preflop ranges for Monkerviewer.

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I haven't able to log into monkerviewer in two days. When I click login the arrows just turn repeatedly. I can open the solver no problem. Are there any common reasons for this issue? I recently installed it and it was working fine the first few days.

Thanks,

Steve
Trying to load too many ranges into Monkerviewer can cause this issue.

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So from looking at this thread seems like the official monkersolver support is non-existing for like a year?
Yes.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:09 AM   #832
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Re: MonkerSolver

how do i put my solved monkersolver ranges into monkerviewer please?

i right click on solved ranges in monkersolver and select export preflop for monkerviewer, but then nothing when i select that option! where do they go/how do i do it please?
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Old 12-03-2018, 05:55 AM   #833
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Re: MonkerSolver

Can I please have link to discord group?

Also can someone direct to me info as to how I’d go about creating a file that would allow me to solve for turns and rivers?

Thanks
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:36 PM   #834
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Re: MonkerSolver

ive opted to go the route of building a machine, i have had several people tell me they are running 128g of RAM in theirs

i want to run 6Mx sims comfortably, and HU sims. Should i go for more than 128 RAM/a more powerful machine?
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Old 12-03-2018, 07:27 PM   #835
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Can I please have link to discord group?

Also can someone direct to me info as to how Iíd go about creating a file that would allow me to solve for turns and rivers?

Thanks
try this one
https://discord.gg/znUKvuP
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:59 AM   #836
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Re: MonkerSolver

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how do i put my solved monkersolver ranges into monkerviewer please?

i right click on solved ranges in monkersolver and select export preflop for monkerviewer, but then nothing when i select that option! where do they go/how do i do it please?
The files are automatically placed in the folder that contains your Monkersolve.exe. If your Monkerviewer.exe file is in the same folder, then when you start up Monkerviewer, you should be able to access the files that you have just exported. This may take a bit longer for larger files.

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Also can someone direct to me info as to how Iíd go about creating a file that would allow me to solve for turns and rivers?

Thanks
I would recommend posting in the Skype group or this thread if you have specific questions. It's also useful to review the tool tips that you can find from within the solver when you hover over various fields. Getting coaching is also an option.

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ive opted to go the route of building a machine, i have had several people tell me they are running 128g of RAM in theirs

i want to run 6Mx sims comfortably, and HU sims. Should i go for more than 128 RAM/a more powerful machine?
You won't be able to comfortably run 6-max with 128GB RAM. Without knowing the specifics of what you are trying to run, I would say that you would want approximately 512GB RAM to comfortably run 6-max at high accuracy, however you can create useful approximations with 256GB RAM already.
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:20 PM   #837
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Re: MonkerSolver

is monkerware going to work with a vps? What are the advantages of vps over dedicated?
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Old 12-09-2018, 11:49 PM   #838
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Re: MonkerSolver

[QUOTE=IsaacAsimov;54548046]The files are automatically placed in the folder that contains your Monkersolve.exe. If your Monkerviewer.exe file is in the same folder, then when you start up Monkerviewer, you should be able to access the files that you have just exported. This may take a bit longer for larger files.



Thank you.
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Old 12-10-2018, 03:48 PM   #839
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Re: MonkerSolver

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is monkerware going to work with a vps? What are the advantages of vps over dedicated?
On Contabo at least, it seems VPS tops out at 60GB RAM which is going to be limiting
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:55 AM   #840
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Re: MonkerSolver

Hi,

I'm just starting with monker solver and I couldn't find the answer to a simple question in the thread. When adding custom filter to all branches preflop it auto adds ALL-IN branch to all branches. How can I change that?
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:45 AM   #841
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I am running bootcamp on an iMac. Intel i5 - 7500 CPU, 3.4 GHZ and 24 GB RAM.

Is that computer fine enough to actually solve flop, turn or river? I read that preflop takes by far the most computing power.

Other than that, any alternative or recommendation to Contabo?
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:22 AM   #842
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Hi,

I'm just starting with monker solver and I couldn't find the answer to a simple question in the thread. When adding custom filter to all branches preflop it auto adds ALL-IN branch to all branches. How can I change that?
You will need to click on 'settings' in the tree tab and change the all-in threshold before you add best to the game tree.

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I am running bootcamp on an iMac. Intel i5 - 7500 CPU, 3.4 GHZ and 24 GB RAM.

Is that computer fine enough to actually solve flop, turn or river? I read that preflop takes by far the most computing power.

Other than that, any alternative or recommendation to Contabo?
Turn and river should work, but flop will not be enough for most higher SPR scenarios.

I would suggest simply opening Monkersolver, and running the RAM estimate feature to see if the sort of scenarios you are trying to solve for work or not.

For 256GB RAM, I still think Contabo is the best. You could also try a company called Hetzner, they also have somewhat competitive pricing for 256GB RAM servers. I can't wholeheartedly recommend them, because they were difficult to work with for me, but you can give them a try if for some reason you don't want to work with Contabo. For solutions with more than 256GB you could also try OVH or Cherry Servers.
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Old 12-14-2018, 10:48 AM   #843
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Turn and river should work, but flop will not be enough for most higher SPR scenarios.

I would suggest simply opening Monkersolver, and running the RAM estimate feature to see if the sort of scenarios you are trying to solve for work or not.

For 256GB RAM, I still think Contabo is the best. You could also try a company called Hetzner, they also have somewhat competitive pricing for 256GB RAM servers. I can't wholeheartedly recommend them, because they were difficult to work with for me, but you can give them a try if for some reason you don't want to work with Contabo. For solutions with more than 256GB you could also try OVH or Cherry Servers.
Thanks a lot for your support, really appreciate it

Looks like even flop solutions work, at least HU. I guess if we solve 6max BB vs BTN open, we can just use the HU function, right?

Any recommendations on how to create ranges for Monker? Other than that, is there a way to know how exact the solver works? It basically keeps on working and becomes more and more accurate, right? So what time period should I keep the simulation running before actually looking at the results?

One more thing I noticed, Monker often times does not show all combos of AA. For example, if you run a sim for a 4bet pot and use a monotone flop, I only find AA combos that actually have one of those suits or flopped a flush. I don't see my other AA combos, where are they?
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Old 12-17-2018, 08:55 AM   #844
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You will need to click on 'settings' in the tree tab and change the all-in threshold before you add best to the game tree.
Sorry I can't understand what those numbers mean. Could you explain it briefly please?

Thanks


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Old 12-17-2018, 10:48 AM   #845
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Sorry I can't understand what those numbers mean. Could you explain it briefly please?

Thanks


Nevermind, found it here for those interested:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=112
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Old 12-19-2018, 01:26 PM   #846
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Thanks a lot for your support, really appreciate it

Looks like even flop solutions work, at least HU. I guess if we solve 6max BB vs BTN open, we can just use the HU function, right?

Any recommendations on how to create ranges for Monker? Other than that, is there a way to know how exact the solver works? It basically keeps on working and becomes more and more accurate, right? So what time period should I keep the simulation running before actually looking at the results?

One more thing I noticed, Monker often times does not show all combos of AA. For example, if you run a sim for a 4bet pot and use a monotone flop, I only find AA combos that actually have one of those suits or flopped a flush. I don't see my other AA combos, where are they?
You're welcome. You might want to check the monkerware website (http://monkerware.com/solver.html). They do answer some basic questions about the solver and what basic approach you should have for solving ranges. Basically you want to monitor the iterations/node to determine when the solution is solved. You will start to see convergence typically around an I/N of 10, but may want to go as high as 50-100 I/N to get more accuracy, depending on the situation and what you are trying to solve for.

Regarding solving for the flop, are you talking about NL or PLO? My assumption was that you were asking for PLO. You can solve NL flops with 24 GB of installed RAM.
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Old 12-19-2018, 03:42 PM   #847
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Hello there, I want to buy monker solver but I don't have a credit card.

Don't you accept skrill, neteller, paypal, bitcoin, or other method of payments?

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Old 12-19-2018, 08:29 PM   #848
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Hello there, I want to buy monker solver but I don't have a credit card.

Don't you accept skrill, neteller, paypal, bitcoin, or other method of payments?
i have been trying to reach monker support for a while, as far as i can tell monkerware support is not around anymore but other people on the thread would know better than me
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:54 AM   #849
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Re: MonkerSolver

Trying to buy monker, I downloaded the monkerviewer.jar file on the website from the "MonkerViewer Desktop 1.1" link. Upon extraction, I can't seem to find anything resembling an executable file. Am I missing something really basic here?
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Old 12-25-2018, 04:09 AM   #850
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Re: MonkerSolver

I'm using Monker for learning PLO more than 1 year already. But I'm unhappy as customer, because I didn't see any of updates for long time.

I got question about viewing ranges (pre/postflop) in PLO.

For preflop we have monkerviewer, but everybody know that is not comfortable at all:
1) I cannot use same filters as in monker solver to watch my hands
I can watch only AA, KK, but not AK exclude AA, or T9 without A,K,Q,J etc

Are you going to add/fix something in this spot in the nearest future ?

I would be happy to see filtering by HIGHCARD in monkersolver, for example
I want to watch AKQ, I wish to see somethink like AKQJ AKQT AKQ9, but in solver it is showing like AKQ9 AKQ7 AKQ2 AKQT. If I want to look few groups on preflop I always have headache in 1 hour


2) I cannot scroll down too see all hands, but not a big problem at all if add filters from #1


3) I got so many solutions for postflop I created or bought , and if I want to watch it, I know for sure that I will have "hot head" in 1 hour, and for this 1hour I won't even learn all about range I need to cbet on the flop))
Will we have some viewer for postflop?

4) What updates we can expect from monker solver in 2019?
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