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02-02-2017 , 10:51 AM

MonkerWare

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This is the support thread for MonkerSolver, a hold'em and Omaha nash equilibrium solver.

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02-11-2017 , 07:56 PM

Antidote

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Downloaded and installed MonkerSolver free along with the Java runtime.

When I try to run the program, I get the following error:

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02-12-2017 , 07:45 AM

MonkerWare

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Originally Posted by Antidote

Downloaded and installed MonkerSolver free along with the Java runtime.

When I try to run the program, I get the following error:

It seems you do not have enough free memory to run the program, or you have installed 32-bit java which can only utilize 4gb RAM (type "java -version" in a command line to check your java version.)

You can try to edit the MonkerSolverFree.l4j file to lower the amount of RAM MonkerSolver uses.

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02-12-2017 , 07:29 PM

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Ok great, I installed the 64-bit version and that fixed it.

I have 128gb of RAM. What settings should I use for MonkerSolverFree.l4j?

Also, what is the preferred thread count?

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02-12-2017 , 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Antidote

I have 128gb of RAM.

WTF.

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02-13-2017 , 07:47 AM

MonkerWare

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Originally Posted by Antidote

Ok great, I installed the 64-bit version and that fixed it.

I have 128gb of RAM. What settings should I use for MonkerSolverFree.l4j?

Also, what is the preferred thread count?

As long as you can solve the trees you want to solve, changing the values won't do anything. If you can't, you should increase the -Xmx to a higher value. It sets the maximum amount of RAM the program can use.

The thread count should be set to around the number of cores, give or take some if you have hyper threading or doing other things on the computer.

You can alter the thread count at run time to see if increasing it yields a higher iteration speed.

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02-14-2017 , 09:15 AM

HredunoS

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I've installed demo version and have some issue.
1. Im not able to save / load trees

2. I can't use PLO ranges tool.

3. Interface is not human friendly at all. How to figure out basic information like current exploitability of strategy, hands EV and hands (bucket) frequencies?

I hope you improve UI a lot.

I 'd like to encourage you to focus on PLO part of the solver. There are few decent and refined NLH solvers on the market already (crEV is 75$ only) and none commercially available PLO. I bet that you get more customers from PLO players (myself included) if you tweak it.

Best regards,
Wiktor

Last edited by HredunoS; 02-14-2017 at 09:25 AM.

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02-14-2017 , 11:20 AM

MonkerWare

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Originally Posted by HredunoS

I've installed demo version and have some issue.
1. Im not able to save / load trees
2. I can't use PLO ranges tool.
3. Interface is not human friendly at all. How to figure out basic information like current exploitability of strategy, hands EV and hands (bucket) frequencies?
I hope you improve UI a lot.

I 'd like to encourage you to focus on PLO part of the solver. There are few decent and refined NLH solvers on the market already (crEV is 75$ only) and none commercially available PLO. I bet that you get more customers from PLO players (myself included) if you tweak it.

Best regards,
Wiktor

Hi, I've updated the demo version (download again).

1. Fixed.

2. The PLO ranges tool is currently very limited and mostly used to load ranges produced by the preflop solver. You can do for example:
top80%-top20%
There was a bug with this too. Fixed.

3. The hand frequencies are for some reason behind the cards. Might be fixed/might need more info.
The exploitability is not available and not very feasible to calculate in the way the game is abstracted.
The EV of hands was available in previous versions but was removed for various reasons. Might come back if enough people want it.

Thanks for the feedback!

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02-14-2017 , 12:21 PM

HredunoS

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I'd love to see implementation of Odds Oracle syntax to your PLO ranges tool.
www.propokertools.com/oracle_help/range_of_hands

Most serious PLO players are familiar with this way to describe PLO ranges. It is also used by other popular PLO software.
Option to just list all hands in players range would be temporarily sufficient as well (fe. AsAhAdKs,AsAhAcKs,AsAdAcKs,AsAhAdKh...).

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02-14-2017 , 03:07 PM

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hasu

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What do you mean you can

"Solve Omaha and Hold'em from any street with multiple players."

Can it solve 3/4/5 player trees?

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02-14-2017 , 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HredunoS

I second this. PPT syntax is the standard for PLO.

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02-15-2017 , 07:59 AM

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MonkerWare

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PPT syntax seems like a good idea. You can in the meantime put hands in this format:
AsAhAdKs,AsAhAcKs,AsAdAcKs,AsAhAdKh
in a file on a single line, and then drag and drop the file to the range tool.
Update to the latest version for this.

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Can it solve 3/4/5 player trees?

Yes.

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02-15-2017 , 04:54 PM

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HredunoS

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Drag and drop of text file works fine, thank you.
River calc with custom ranges seems to be fast.

1. I'd like to see more info about strategies (EV of both players). Im curious how betsizes influence EV of strategies.

2. Option to filter hands in results would be nice (fe I'd like to see solution for different top2 combos in PLO).

There are some bugs - 3/4 add 1/2 size to tree. Also solver sometimes won't strart (stuck at starting statuss). Mostly in bigger trees. Solver uses only 1.7GB from 12 so i think it's not memory issue.

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02-16-2017 , 08:17 AM

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MonkerWare

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Originally Posted by HredunoS

1. I'd like to see more info about strategies (EV of both players). Im curious how betsizes influence EV of strategies.

Added an EV estimate. Getting the exact value probably requires a bit too much overhead, but I think this will suffice for most things.

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2. Option to filter hands in results would be nice (fe I'd like to see solution for different top2 combos in PLO).

Added. There should probably be PPT syntax here, but you can filter on cards atleast.

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There are some bugs - 3/4 add 1/2 size to tree.

Fixed.

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Also solver sometimes won't strart (stuck at starting statuss).

Can't think of any reason other than lack of memory. Have you set -Xmx12g in the l4j-file?

Thanks for the feedback!

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02-21-2017 , 11:14 PM

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WhatsNexxt

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Hi
On your page you say "Before the river, only suits which has the potential to become flushes are considered. For example, these two hands are merged, even though they influence the opponents range slightly differently"
i - I assume you only do this simplification on the flop and turn. Is that correct?
ii - Do you do any 'bucketing' preflop ?

Thank you looking forward to trying your product.

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02-22-2017 , 01:35 PM

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MonkerWare

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i - I assume you only do this simplification on the flop and turn. Is that correct?

Yes, although as described in the example below that one, there are simplifications on the river as well.

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ii - Do you do any 'bucketing' preflop ?

On the preflop street there's no bucketing. However, postflop streets in trees beginning from preflop are bucketed in the same way as hold'em preflop runs (strength and texture buckets).

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02-28-2017 , 02:26 PM

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mrw8419

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Could you make an example PLO hand video to show the functionality of the software and post to youtube

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02-28-2017 , 05:07 PM

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Hoopster81

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Could you make an example PLO hand video to show the functionality of the software and post to youtube

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02-28-2017 , 09:57 PM

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tobakudan

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02-28-2017 , 10:56 PM

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4-Star General

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^^^

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03-02-2017 , 06:55 AM

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MonkerWare

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The free version of MonkerSolver has now been updated with (most of the) PPT syntax and other features (omaha node locking, tree building hotkeys, compressed saves, etc.)

For those of you who purchased the full version before the auto updater was in: please redownload and reinstall and you will get updates from then on.

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Originally Posted by mrw8419

Could you make an example PLO hand video to show the functionality of the software and post to youtube

I'll try to get this done within the near future.

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03-15-2017 , 09:44 AM

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WhatsNexxt

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Is there anyway to see the ranges (omaha) after you input them. Right now I can only figure out how to see the %, but not the range itself.

Can you expand on what PPT syntax is available and what is not.

Thank you.

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03-15-2017 , 02:24 PM

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MonkerWare

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Originally Posted by WhatsNexxt

Hi,

You can not see the range without starting the run atm.

I believe the only thing missing is support for brackets [], you can also not write 20%-80% (but you can write 80%!20% which is the same thing.)

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03-15-2017 , 03:07 PM

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WhatsNexxt

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Thank you for the response.
Where can I see the range when running (or after running) the sim ?
I need to stop the sim manually, correct ?
And you recommend after 10x the node count ?
I use the [] feature a lot in PPT is on the to-do list ?

Enjoying the software. Ty