Thank you. I messed around with it last night for a while and it finally started working, but it was too late to delete my question/post.

1. Is there a way to run the HUD on observed tables or do you have to be playing at the table? With Holdem Indicator I would open up 4 tables and after 30 hands or so see which is the best table to sit at, but I can't seem to do that with Card Catcher.

2. Is there a way to correct the hands that aren't imported because of errors, especially the "invalid pot size"? It seems like the biggest pots turn up as "invalid pot size" errors and therefore aren't imported.


Thanks again for a great product. I love it.

Ok, I got the HUD to work on my observed tables. 1 table quit tracking hands after the 4th hand and the other 3 all quit tracking after the 13th. They're still showing on the tables, just not tracking....for about 40 minutes now? All 4 are min sized. PT4. 100nl NHLE

Any update as to when the tournament card catcher will be released?

1) Observed tables don't seem to always work. For some reason even in beta, some setups were fine, and others it wouldn't work continuously. I don't think we ever went back and addressed it because there's not really a need for observed tables with anonymous players. Even if you're just trying to see how the game is, you have no accumulated data and players come and go fast.
2) Even if PT (which is pickier than HM for some reason) shows an error it will still usually import. You can send me some of the hands that have an issue and we can look at them. You'd have to manually edit the file by hand and correct it. Kind of a pain.

No ETA, but soon. The main developer on this project went on vacation for a much deserved break, and then decided to stay longer. So things are pushed back a bit. He's back now, and it's super close. It just all depends on how testing goes.

1). disagree. observed tables is extremely important. that's alot of data that is very useful before you sit down. some players may come and go really quickly but some do sit for a while. also, in small sample sizes like these. having even 15 hands on a guy as oppose to sitting fresh is much better than nothing.

i was waiting til the issue with using windows @ 110% zoom (custom setup) was taken care of before i tried/buy this program, but i guess ill have to keep checking to see if observed hands is implemented as well. w/o that i'll have to stick to my holdem indicator. Would much rather pay for your program when it does what i need though.

I don't think this is something we're going to focus on anytime soon honestly. Just letting you know. Since tables disappear once they are filled, you'd have to tie up a table to observe it, and when it fills, keeps it open until a seat opens again. That's a lot of effort when you can sit, and then just leave after 10-15 hands if you don't like the table. I'd assume it's not something many people are doing as an online player myself.

Any ways, I appreciate your feedback.

+1 to observed hands registering well, It's important.

Another +1 to observed hands registering, it is hugely important, and a deal breaker if the card catcher does not handle it properly. I have 4 tables of the stakes I play open all day, and often times am able to have 150 hands on some players when I first sit down because of this.

Observed tables is a deal breaker for me. Without history on players, like you have with other sites with HM & PT, opening up tables and letting the HUD run for a while is the best that we can do. I never jump in a table fresh. I need observed tables to play cash.

I'm pretty surprised actually. I've played online for almost 10 years now and I play 400nl+ on bovada and I can't think of why observed tables would be needed. On other sites where you can accumulate data on players it can make sense, but on anonymous tables where players come and go more often because of that anonymity than other sites you still need it? Interesting. I usually have a couple of hands saved from players just waiting and within a couple of hands I know how the table is playing more or less.

FYI, observed tables is working. There are some setups where it's not. So you just need to see if it's working well for you or not. It's not something we're going to be working on anytime soon. I'd love to get everything in the que done and once, but that's obviously not going to happen.

So would you recommend HM2 as opposed to PT4 for use with the card catcher?

Also, will the tournament grabber remember players for the duration of the tournament? Or just grab each individual table.

+1

this is exactly what i do. the whole reason for buying this prog or any hud program is to have information/stats. obviously observed hands is going to matter because that means there's a possibility for more information. sometimes over 150+ hands on a guy.

Right now, I think PT4 works better. Plus you have the free note taking capability with PT4.

What site are you guys playing on? I've played over 500k hands on bovada and I've never been able to get 150+ hands on someone and then actually be able to sit and use that info. That's beyond rare. In fact, I just went through my sample of hands because I want to verify I'm not nuts. I have FOUR players with 250 hands or more. I play about 2-4 hours a sessions on average. That means that out of probably over 3 million players tracked, four have over 250 hands. And this is at stakes where players stay longer (100nl+).

I get having observed hands on other sites, but I don't get it on here honestly. And again, it works for most setups, but I'd ask you to look at your database and see how many players you have over 250 hands on.

When I open up 4 tables on Bovada and run Holdem Manager, I do so just hoping to get as many hands as possible. Sure, players come in and out, but there's always a couple of tables that have 4 or so players that have been there for 50+ hands. And when I see a table where there's a few players playing 50/5.....I sit down. And just the opposite when I see a table of a bunch of NITs. Some information is better than nothing. I just don't want to sit down at a table without knowing how some/most of the players are playing if I can't help it. It's just incredibly useful since we can't get past history on players with anonymous tables.

like the post above mine says. some information is better than none. i leave my tables open 24/7 even if i have no intention of playing. 100-150 hand sample on a guy is basically just someone playing a 2-2.5hr+ session. that happens all the time because of regs like me and you or the occasional degen fish running hot. it really doesn't matter if the sample gets over 150 hands or whatever. i think every1 that agrees with me that observed hands is important is basically agreeing with the sentiment that the more information the better.

sometimes i sit at a fresh table and a guy has a vpip/pfr/3b of like 48/44/18....and obviously my 10 hand sample isn't going to be as useful to me as opposed to watching this same players stats level out over the course of 100+ hands. Even fish aren't instantly obvious to you when you have a sample less than 15 hands (assuming they didnt' limp or showdown a hand)

your only having 4 players with 250+ hands is a function of how long YOU are at the table and have it open. given that you only play 4 hours at most you're never gonna be around long enough to build up a bigger sample (1 table = 60hands per hour x 4hrs = 240ish). you might have caught a guy on the latter half of his 5hr session or at the start of his 6 hour session but you left during hour #3

Observed tables will be even better for tournaments (if it keeps the stats as players move from table to table). So when you get down to the final few tables, you'll have stats on everyone at the table or whenever a new player moves to your table.

I cannot get the program working. The hand catcher is not saving any hands in this folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Ace Poker Solutions\Bovada Card Catcher\Handhistories

I am using table and card mods. Could that have something to do with it?

Correct, and I guess my point is that because of anonymous tables it's really difficult to get enough data that you couldn't pick up in a rotation or 2. People come and go much more often on this format. Nothing is carried over. Take that plus that by observing a table aren't you tying up a table you can join? You can only have 4 active tables correct? I get the desire to do this on other sites, I guess I'm just surprised there's value seen doing it on bovada.

But again, for most setups, the observed tables should be working.

Correct. It will not work with table cards and mods right now.

Hi,

I am having trouble seeing mucked cards while using this software. The last hand button works at the start of session and after clicking it once or twice it does not work.. I am using it with PT4.

When I go into pt4 and look at the auto-imported hands into PT4 in the View todays hands section, I swear it randomly just selects cards for the players. It does not get hero's cards correct nor does it show what villain mucked.

Hi,

I am having trouble seeing mucked cards while using this software. The last hand button works at the start of session and after clicking it once or twice it does not work.. I am using it with PT4.

When I go into pt4 and look at the auto-imported hands into PT4 in the View todays hands section, I swear it randomly just selects cards for the players. It does not get hero's cards correct nor does it show what villain mucked.