Hey Harambee

Glad that you like the new Bubble factor update and equity.
Generally at this point, I am not sure whats the point in bubble factor because all it is is just a non-readable way to write the required equity which everyone understands and cares about.
However, we will keep both for now. We do not plan any further bubble factor related updates nearterm.

Hi.

I've tried to e-mail the support 3 times with no luck since last week, how should I proceed to get any support?

Thanks!

Hi notmeany,

We're actively checking all support emails, so I am not sure why you're not getting anything back from us. You can send me a pm with your email address so we can check if it got lost somewhere, or ask your question here in this thread.

The ICMIZER 3.10.0 update brings two highly anticipated features – Hand Weight Bucket Tool and the ability to edit custom user tournaments



You can learn more about this update here:

ICMIZER 3.10.0 Update – Hand Weight Bucket Tool, Editing Custom Tournaments

Hi,

Had a question around bubble spots in MTT Mode. When we are in a situation with a lot of tables (let's say 20+) and we are analysing a $EV or %EV range, does the software assume that when we bust, we get $0? Or, does it do calculations on the other tables in case a shorter stack busts at the same time we do and we get the mincash payout?

Thanks,

Corpsey

Hey, its the former. If we bust it doesn't assume that some other random short stack from some of the other tables busts before us.
You can see everything in detailed results for any preflop hand.
Our EV for outcomes when we lose and end up with 0 chips should have 0$ EV if we are not in the money yet.

Thank you for your speedy response. I would assume that in some larger tournaments that there is very little chance we get $0 when we are on the bubble. Are there any plans to possibly weight the calculation so that a % of time when we bust, we do get the mincash?

I understand the idea but can you be more specific about actual proposed implementation of this feature? So if there are 150 people left, 149 get paid, we have 3 short stacks on other tables, now what?

If there are 150 people left with 149 paid, and we specify a stack on another table has 0 chips, does that not signify that we lock up the min-cash?

Ok, so I created a toy game scenario where 1st gets $100, 2nd-149th get $10. I manually edited the stacks so we are shortest on our table with 5bbs in the BB. I also put 3 3bb stacks in the tournament and everyone else has 20bbs.

Let's say we have a 9-player table and it folds round to the SB who jams into us and we are looking down at AKo.

When we click on the detailed result, we are looking down at something like this:

AKo EvPush: 6.59$
-0.73$ EVFold: 7.32$ Hero bust probability: 33.83%

HERO(BB) Call(AI) EV: 6.59$
SB VS HERO(BB) EV: 6.59$ Probability: 100.00%
HERO(BB) wins EV: 10$ Probability: 64.47%
SB and HERO(BB) tie EV: 8.39$ Probability: 1.70%
SB wins EV 0.00$ Probability: 33.83%
HERO(BB) Fold to SB EV: 7.32$
SB wwosd EV: 7.32$ Probability: 100.00%

The line that interests me here is:

SB wins EV 0.00$ Probability: 33.83%

as part of the 33.83% probability, hero will be getting $10 for mincashing.

Obviously, there are going to be situations where we are almost certain to mincash, like in a huge field tournament when we are hand-for-hand and we are a mid to large stack. However, in this example, let's assume a number of something like a 3% chance someone busts before we do (this shouldn't alter the result of this calculation too much, but the theory is what I am aiming for). Also, please check maths.

In the line that interests me, if we assume 3/100 times in this 33.83% probability we actually get the cash, then 0.3383*0.03=0.01 or 1% probability we get $10 and 0.3383*0.97=0.328 or 32.8% we still get $0.

Therefore this line:

SB wins EV 0.00$ Probability: 33.83%

Becomes:

SB wins EV 0.00$ Probability: 32.83%
SB wins EV 10.00$ Probability: 1.00%

How we go about adding a calculation about how to determine how often someone busts, I am not sure. Perhaps a crude way would be to work out how often someone busts on our own table and apply that over however many tables are left in the tournament? Or, we could add a manual % chance?

Yes, if we fold. If we also know that one of those villains who busted was shorter than us at the start of the hand, then we lock up the mincash if we get it in also.

EDIT: When I manually put a stack on 0, then hero's range becomes 0%

How can I add or remove a tournament structure to the favorite tab.

Love the new update. Wish we could duplicate existing, non-custom tournaments as well, but I'll take what I can get!

Hi bigdog63,

The Favorites tab is automatically assembled from your most used tournament structures. So, at the moment, you can't edit The Favorites tab.

Hi Cities,

We are glad you liked it. We are continually working on improving our software, and this feedback is very valuable for us.

I think it would be a good function to be able to have more control over the structures' layout. Being able to manually create folders, sub-folders and re-order the tournaments would really help me not searching through the tons of custom structures I've added over the years. Being able to hide/delete some of the games I don't use would also be cool.

ok thx

Purchased ICMizer and I was wondering if you guys intend to add other options other than Push/Fold? like 3betting, raising, etc?

Hi crowned,
ICMIZER 3 is capable of solving complex preflop situations including actions like limps, raises, reraises - you just need to edit the action of the players or to import a hand history file that includes a hand with such actions.
Please review the Editing action part of our tutorial video here (at timecode):
https://youtu.be/vkvyqHYgx8I?t=1527

Alright thanks.
And as far as auto analyzing hands, At what stages of the tournament does icmizer auto analyzes the hands? cause in some tournaments it does not do that for that.. even when I get in the money.

I think it doesn't work for me when I try to do it on PKO tournaments. Also, the bounties for each players have to be set up manually. I must be doing something wrong as far as setting it up.

Hey,
The automatic analysis finds errors in the push/fold stage of the tournament or in the hands which happen to be played as if they are in the push/fold stage already. Usually, such hands will involve a lot of folds and some short-stacked players.

The perfect hands for automatic analysis are those where players are limited only to push/fold decisions and have an effective stack equal to 20 big blinds or less. The effective stack is calculated as the second deepest stack among all players who did not openfold - fold as the first player’s action. If the player’s action in the distribution were not a push (or a push call) or a fold, it would not be autoanalyzed.

Regarding bounties, unfortunately, if poker room hand history files do not contain any information about bounties, you have to fill those fields by yourself according to average bounty here:

For example, PokerStars files contain that info and if you load PokerStars PKO tournament hand history files, all the bounties are set automatically.
If your poker room doesn't put the bounty information in the hand history file I encourage you to contact them and request this feature because its important data for post tournament review session and if it were there we would be able to load it correctly.

Hello,

ICMIZER has pretty clear warnings against misuse of the software. We play in a closed fenced player pool with 3-4 major sites out of which only stars shanks you straight to the Oscar Bravo of 18th hole from the first tee if you open any of the common solvers, equity calcs. Icmizer of course...

However, the rest don’t even acknowledge this as a problem. Talking to support it went like this -
Me: Do you know what EV is?
Support: No.

Me: Do you know what ICMIZER is?
Support: HUD?

Me: Do you know what poker is?
Support: Sir our site has strictest policy regarding 3rd party tools.”

I sent them a portion of a 2hr video where i was able to calculate nash shove/fold. Edit ranges based on players because game play is so slow - you literally can do it! Now you could argue why don’t I exploit the site? Well, if I won a tourney fairly, our player pool / those sites would Probably think I used some unethical software to gain an edge cuz I seem to be the only one knowing this stuff it would seem. Anyways, I wanted to reach out to these programmers and ask - Does ICMIZER not provide help to these sites on how to detect it and shut the client(s) down/display warning?

You sent a site a video of you using banned 3rd party tools to cheat for 2hours? Hope you weren't too attached to the site or your balance. even crappy sites with no security concerns love an easy balance confiscation. Afaik icmizer has no way to like prevent someone using it with poker software open, seems not worth their time to add as its easy to bypass for anyone wanting to by just opening it on a second computer.

Oh i made sure balance was 1 INR. 1/70th of a $ lol.

I know u can open it on 2nd pc but site mentions how they have an IT team - top notch advanced tools for detection. I asked em ‘Computer Engineers right’ reply - sir we have CAT 6 and fiber network with firewall...

I was just wondering if softwares themselves provide some sort of functionality for a site operator to detect this stuff.

Btw i wrote an article on this a year ago — they are so naive they let me play and I am 100% sure they still would. The thing is, I have been playing poker since 07-08 and there are so many other issues with the site. They are literally draining money out of the rec player pool. 22 re-entries in a 185 man satty BI was - 75$. Recently they have been on a rant about ‘the most trusted’ and u know how rng riggage is sort of like a joke. These sites actually mention in bold letters on home screen - ‘RNG is safe. It’s the safest rng’ this is verbatim on their site.

I am just trying to get people here to understand how much they are being exploited. Hope traffic comes to stars IN - at least they will not spew (yes this is allowed) more rebuys than what is up top.

Hi DEXPLICIT,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this side of the equation.
I am not sure what the final exact question is so I'll just answer in a general way.
We have a terms of service agreement with our customers and our customers have terms of service agreement of poker rooms.
So in the end it is customers who should adhere to both agreements and it is their responsibility.

Personally I believe in fair play and that poker is a game of skill where humans compete against one another. ICMIZER is designed to train players after the poker session is over.
Regarding features that we prioritize when we want to add something to ICMIZER – we will usually focus on our product key competency features ie calculations and ease of the hand review and training process and the like.