Hi. No, it depends on the mode ICMIZER is in.
If it is in Final Table mode, it will assume that it is a final table.
If you turn on the MTT mode on, as I describe in this video, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBhi3gVkOrc
you can review pre-final table situations with ICM and figure out the correct bubble strategy in MTTs and make other kinds of calculations before the final table.

Hi, I am reviewing some of these Fedor Holz vids and typing hands into my ICM machine and there have been a few spots where Fedor should have been able to shove any two cards at equilibrium (IE I am running into spots where Fedor is missing shoves that are unexploiteable) So who is right the GOAT ICM software (ICMIZER) or the GOAT donkament player (Fedor Holz)?

Hi. I am not sure that I fully follow the context of your question so it is hard to answer.
"ICM machine" - you're referring to ICMIZER?

Maybe you could post some screenshots of situations in question so I could be more helpful?
There can be good reasons not to follow Nash equilibrium ranges if you think that you're opponents aren't playing according to Nash, so it could explain any kind of deviation by a professional player, but I can't know if it is the case without an example.

Yes, the ICM machine is ICMIZER 2...Here is a common situation I am talking about:

5 handed, 10 make the final table, hero is second in chips

BB: 9 bb
SB: 16 bb
BTN: 8 bb
Hero: 25 bb (in co)
UTG: 9 bb

UTG folds.... hero has A2

Situations like this ICMIZER indicates that you can shove pretty loose +EV but he seems to be tighter in spots like these, instead choosing to min raise.

Hi well first of all, are you using MTT mode?
If there are 5 players at the table, its like 10-11 remaining right?
http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/WsLwUA/ (with 10% ante)
Here is the spot with optimal pushing range in MTT ICM mode.
As you can see A2s is positive and clearly a profitable push.
He may believe that if players are passive he may have easy time making more money postflop.
Push is profitable but it doesn't mean there aren't more profitable things to do in this situation.
Folding though would be a clear mistake.

Q, what about a spot like this:

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/jsLwVx/

I am 2nd in chips with 13 left at this point and sat pays top 6 (7th gets buy-in back). Here is my question, though ICMizer says that this is a shove based on the ranges I have assigned (which seem to be fairly accurate IMO). Is it worth it to risk these chips in a satellite where additional chips do not mean additional jump in the pay ladder?

Q, I found another example that is even more stark. Same payouts as above and this time there are 8 people left. Even giving the BB as loose of a range as reasonable it says that this is a shove with ATC

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/jKMRaZ/

intuitively this seems a little reckless to me given we are on a satellite bubble.

Hi
Well both of these questions can be easier answered in ICM $EV mode.
The values you see represent gain in % of total prize pool.
If you see $ gain per shove you will know better whether or not it makes sense to you (compared to buy in).

Another idea, in second example BB should be folding literally everything, including AA vs your 100% push (if you announce it to him, that you're pushing your entire range here).

If BB is silly and doesn't play fold 100% of hands you may have to fold some part of the range.

In the end, remember that while your not ITM in Sat tournament money isn't locked in for you. So making profitable pushes makes you $. If some values may seem to risky, like 0.02% of total prize pool if it isn't too big, some $ values may represent huge part of your potential tournament ROI made in 1 hand which makes it very had to justify a fold against a profitable push.

hey Q,

on my phone in the app store I see the sng coach app.. is there also just the regular ICMizer that I also use on my desktop to download somewhere? or do u only have the sng coach available on the mobile ?

thanks

Hi
The mobile version of SNG Coach was finally released last week after months of work which was required by Apple app guidelines.
The mobile SNG Coach application is available for free to subscribers of ICMIZER PRO (5 mobile questions per day) which can be upgraded with additional add-on subscription for mobile SNG Coach (making it 120 mobile questions per day).
SNG Coach itself is available only as part of PRO subscription to ICMIZER Suite.

Today we've released the update v2.11.8

It is dedicated to Chip EV training in SNG Coach.
Chip EV quiz was among the most popular quizzes and we've been receiving requests to add various ante levels since antes affect the situation a lot and we only had a single set of blind structures.

Now we have six different Chip EV practice modes (including 6 max Hyper MTT training with 25% Ante)
and Chip EV training got its own shiny window


Also, we've added following quizzes which were requested by our customers:

● Hyper MTT 6 max for 90 entrants PokerStars (with 25% ante)
● Turbo 9 Max SNG PartyPoker
● Expresso tournaments in Winamax network

P.S. New Chip EV quizzes are coming to the mobile version of SNG Coach very soon.

Any chance of wpn 9 man hyper in sng quiz? I practice that with the pokerstars 9 man hyper but I'm guessing structure is probably different.

Is there a known bug with the automatic updated on OSX? Mine has never worked, just wondering if it might be a settings thing?

Hi. Sure thing, we can add those.
Please send us screenshots from the lobby with starting stacks, payouts and blind levels at email support@icmpoker.com, and we will add those to SNG Coach.

Hi.
No, I am not aware of this bug, but it could be the case.
The update process depends on Silverlight plugin.
While I know that it works on windows at least sometimes, it may have worked on Mac in the past but currently, it could be not working at all. Microsoft is not really clear about Silverlight future on Mac even though Silverlight is supposed to be supported until 2020 at least.
Anyway, if you get any troubles with the update process, you can always uninstall current ICMIZER version and download the fresh one from our website and it will work.

Hi Q, I am reviewing this spot in a satellite. I am ITM but 5th only pays 3x buy-in, 4th+ pay 11x buy-in seat. I came across a spot like this that seems to be -EV given the most accurate inputs I can construe, but the problem is that ICM doesn't take into account that my fold equity is now gone for the rest of the tournament. What are your thoughts on spots like this?

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/TEAscl/

Hi CodythePATRIOT

Indeed ICM doesn't take future into account. But FGS model does, so you should be running these types of spots (very short stacked situations) with FGS model of rather big depth, like FGS4 here and you will be getting much better ranges.

I've recreated a similar spot and ran a calculation VS 45% pushing range (although I cannot see your precise range)

Looks like this:
http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/TNBceZ/

The Nash pushing range for SB though is like 100% and vs that we can call 57%.
Do you have some specific reasons to believe SB is so tight?

Is there a place I can read more about the FGS model? I don't have a great idea what it is, but I have a general one. Assuming it just more accurately discounts future spots.

I only see FGS1, not FGS4. It seems like a call with FGS1, what is the difference?

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/YeStwl/


I'm actually not entirely sure what the nash numbers mean still, my understanding is that they are how we would want to play against someone else who was playing a perfect nash strategy. But as it seems no one is so following nash approximations in many spots (especially at lower stakes) so this is often going to be a losing proposition.

As far as reads, the previous round SB had folded in a spot where he should probably should shove close to ATC. So I am doubting he understands ICM and this skews his range tighter. In this specific hand he shoved and I folded QTs and he flipped over JTo, so I am not sure if he was showing it as a value hand or a bluff. But I did assume it to be one of the weaker hands he was shoving with.

Why are the available tournament types so horribly outdated? I shouldn't have to model my own or paste an HH to run some partypoker spin n go spots. Makes it difficult to want to keep an active subscription. I'm sure there are better options out there for spin n go players.

After loading an HH I am only able to choose between two blind levels (10/20, 50/100). So I can model 25BB spots and 5BB spots but that's it. Perfect lol. I don't mean to come off like a **** here but aren't you supposed to be the industry leader for tournament equity analysis? What am I paying for, an aggravated pain in the ass?

https://pasteboard.co/HfP44G0.png

Hi.
What do you mean by PartyPoker "spin n go spots" exactly?
As far as I know, Spin & Go's exist on pokerstars and are a trademark, so you must be referring to some other tournaments.

Regarding blind levels, if you are reviewing tournament which is not present in ICMIZER tournament list, you just create required blinds manually, by using the Create new button, that can be seen on your screenshot.
You do it just once, then we save them for you and they are there whenever you launch ICMIZER.

We simply cannot have all the tournaments of the world preloaded in ICMIZER. We have a good representation of popular formats. Creating a new tournament or blinds are popular and important ICMIZER operations and both are very easy to do.

Hi
Sorry for late response.
You can read more about FGS in these articles:
https://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/icm...y-fgs-support/
https://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/how...culator-works/

Currently, probably the simplest and effective approach is to simply set FGS to the maximum (6) and allow ICMIZER to automatically downscale it (depending on the number of players at the table). There are some cases where this can be considered not optimal but in the most cases, you will be doing just fine. Later if you get a better understanding of FGS you can choose it manually if you think the suggestion isn't optimal in certain situation.

Regarding selecting more depth than 1, you need to click on the tournament so tournament selector popup appears, and in the upper right corner of this popup, you can choose FGS depth in the drop-down.

You're either deliberately playing dumb or you have a truly quaint sense of humour. Thank you for making my decision to not renew an easy one.

Hi G27924.
If you've made your decision, there is nothing that can stop you.
But you can rest assured that I've asked a serious question and didn't expect an answer like yours, usually when I try to gather information customers help me do so.
I really would like to add a popular tournament if it is missing.

Jackpot sngs have been running on the #3 poker room for over 6 months now. You're either gaslighting or you've given up lol.