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Old 02-17-2013, 06:28 AM   #176
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Well generally they try to make profit from their business so it would be strange if they did something differently, and I am not sure we can blame them.

As for FGS ETA - FGS update is going to be a major thing. Along with FGS I will add some exciting new features some of which have been consistently requested. I am not sure whether I'll decide to make a full release or do a small beta release of FGS functionality first when its ready, if I go with a full release I think in March would be a good estimate.

As for FGS being based on Nash - yes it would be. I believe FGS is mostly required for small part of hand analysis, as I do agree that players do not follow Nash ranges, and they also do not limit their plays to pushes/folds only , and all limps/minraises mess up quality of calculation which is based on assumption that players will be push/folding only.

But for hands like 3 way with super short stacks on 6 way bubble HyperTurbo I think FGS provides better results than pure ICM, and actual Nash ranges future assumption is not that bad for this kind of spots also. But its important to remember, that those spots represent less than 5% of general STT hands, and less than 0.5% of MTT hands ( since they are usually played at full table). (Both numbers are also way bigger than actual numbers are I believe, but its safe to say that actual % is less than that)

Feature is requested though so it will be added. As for making FGS better than that, lets talk about it once its ready.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:49 AM   #177
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Hi Q

sorry I am super lazy, but wanted to ask a couple of questions

I am thinking of buying this, I play MTT only though. Can this program these things

1) Work our the profitability of raise/calling at a MTT FT in ICM terms and show it in a $ value. I.e this r/c will make us x$ in this spot. (Basically I want to compare raise/call versus shove in ICM terms)

2) can it work out the profitability of 3 bet shoves in a ICM spot at well and again show it in $ value for me?

3) can it do both of this with say 2 tables left so there is some ICM but not tons like at FT?

4) do all of the above but in chip ev mode and show how many chips we expect to make?/lose

I assume it can and its easy to do, I started to watch the youtube vid on how to use it but focuses on shoves at the start (I am to lazy to watch through the rest to see)
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:12 AM   #178
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Hey buffyslayer1

ICMIZER can show % of prize pool or $ ev result values if you enter total prize pool of tournament and chipEv too, so to your questions

1) raise call being spot like you raise , someone at known position pushes and you analyze EV of this situation. This is possible. Analyzing raise-call without defined pusher is not possible though, so direct comparison of raise/call move to push move ev is not really possible.

2)3 bet shoves VS a raise are analyzable (in $ value too as I say above)

3) It can, upto 60 players actually

4) again with limitations from 1) of vacuum raise-call spot not being available it can do everything with chipEv display mode.

I offer 100% moneyback guarantee, so you can try it out and request a refund if you don't like what you get, it can make a decision easier.

Let me know if you have any more questions
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:16 AM   #179
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Thx Q for answering

I messed around with the 3 free trials as well and it looks like it does what I am after.

I bought a sub so thx for the money back gtd

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Old 02-19-2013, 10:36 AM   #180
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Thanks,

More about raise-call spots in general: while they do sound pretty analyzable and rather simple, they arent cause usually when you minraise a lot of opponent decisions will include calls, and not very often they will limit themselves to just shoves. So if we assume they only 3 bet shove we end up with very hypothetical situation. If we assume they can call, it makes impossible to calculuate EV of those times when they decide to call, and see the flop.

So ICMIZER currently supports analysis of hero PUSH decisions, not hero raise decision. When we raise and face a 3 bet reraise or shove, we are having a push/fold decision, so that is easily analyzable.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:47 AM   #181
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Thanks,

More about raise-call spots in general: while they do sound pretty analyzable and rather simple, they arent cause usually when you minraise a lot of opponent decisions will include calls, and not very often they will limit themselves to just shoves. So if we assume they only 3 bet shove we end up with very hypothetical situation. If we assume they can call, it makes impossible to calculuate EV of those times when they decide to call, and see the flop.

So ICMIZER currently supports analysis of hero PUSH decisions, not hero raise decision. When we raise and face a 3 bet reraise or shove, we are having a push/fold decision, so that is easily analyzable.
Yep thats the situation I wanted to look at.

Eseentially at certain stacks with regs playing they will only shove or fold.
So looking at ev of how wide we can raise/call for value inc risk of busting. Versus open shoving is what I want to look at.

Particulalry at final tables where not busting is very important ofc and we may take a lower ev option of shoving as the risk of bust is so low.

Thx for the answers Q


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Old 02-20-2013, 07:45 AM   #182
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Maybe I am doing something wrong but this doesn't look right to me Q?

I put in this hand from a MTT on the FT bubble where I raise/called the btn with 88 to a 23bb shove

Out of interest I want to see the EV of just shoving (though its a huge shove) versus raise/calling and also factoring in the % chance we bust

However, this screen shows we have 0% chance to bust when surely it would be 46.69%?

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Old 02-20-2013, 09:39 AM   #183
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I actually believe I have fixed this bug yesterday, please check if it exists today.

Let me know if that helps.

Note that this was affecting only details display/bust probability for 3bet/4bet spots, not actual results.

Also please for futher reference so its easier for me to see what exactly you are seeing please use [ Share this result] button and provide generated link.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:16 AM   #184
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thanks for response Q

just tried it again and seems to be the same as before

www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#nBfl
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:20 AM   #185
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Thanks can see the problem now, will let you know when its fixed..

Just to be clear I checked similar looking spot and bust prob is calculated correctly there: www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#NBeY
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:16 PM   #186
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Hey buffyslayer1,

Actually looking into it more I found out that our bust probability here is really 0%.. Thats because we got bigger stack than the guy who pushed into us, lol
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:39 PM   #187
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Hey buffyslayer1,

Actually looking into it more I found out that our bust probability here is really 0%.. Thats because we got bigger stack than the guy who pushed into us, lol
Doh thanks (facepalm.jpg)

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Old 03-02-2013, 08:00 PM   #188
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Per popular user request added 888 Pacific Poker network hand format parsing.
This network includes rooms like: 888 poker, Pacific poker, LuckyAcePoker, Lotos Poker and some other.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:57 PM   #189
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i do not see any "hero folds" scenarios, are there any? maybe i can do it but i see nothing quite as user friendly like how it is in Wiz, where it is right there to implement the hero folds situations
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:21 PM   #190
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Hey p2 dog, p2

Of course there are hero fold scenarios. ICMIZER does far more complex calculations than wiz, so even though I am not quite sure what wiz feature you are reffering to, it is present in ICMIZER.

If I understand you correctly you wonder how to take into account potential action after hero folds and players behind him can shove/call each other, bust and that way increase hero fold EV equity?

If that is the case pleaser refer this article article about ranges columns, first part.
To put it simpy first ranges column is about hero shoves, and opponents calling ranges. Other columns are for each potential pusher after hero, and their respective callers, and they affect Ev Fold.

If however you are running chipEV calculations, where no ICM effect is present, those range columns arent displayed, because hero fold equity is not dependant on opponent action and is simply calculated as number of chips in his stack.

Hope that helps, if I still didnt cover what you were asking about please elaborate your question.
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Old 03-14-2013, 04:21 PM   #191
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Hello, support for Revolution network hand import would be greatly appreciated,
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:01 PM   #192
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Re: ICMIZER support

Are you working on the PSM / futur hands feature?
It will be out soon?
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Old 03-15-2013, 02:32 PM   #193
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rhalala, yep working on FGS.
My current plan is to get something ready around 10 April, or maximum before May.

I am sorry for taking so long. Things show up here and there, some bugs get fixed along the way etc. FGS update will be pretty massive, with a lot of additional pretty exciting changes I think.

Letrap, please send me a reasonable sized pack of Revolution hands and I will see what I can do.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:00 PM   #194
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rhalala, yep working on FGS.
My current plan is to get something ready around 10 April, or maximum before May.

I am sorry for taking so long. Things show up here and there, some bugs get fixed along the way etc. FGS update will be pretty massive, with a lot of additional pretty exciting changes I think.
Awesome! hope you can do it for 10 april!
Thank you for answer!
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:30 PM   #195
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i am a registered user but have never paid for a subscription. I just attempted to analyze my first mtt scenario, just a random scenario i tried to test the waters. I created a payout structure for 9 players paid and random stacks. so a few questions to make sure i am doing it correctly: the dropdown menu that contains players left, stacks, total chips and average chips, that drop down menu simply simulates the table that I am not on correct? it is a "simulated" table with random stack sizes, but it is important because those players are also in the tourney correct?? I also see that i can manually change these stacks, awesome!

i guess that's really it except for a question about the hand itself. I made myself on the button w/ 33. I wanted to see if i could profitably push here. could u do a quick review of my screenshot. I estimated some calling ranges behind, and came up with a 9.5% pushing range, i think this seems reasonable for 17bb effective and given stack sizes.

So, does ICMizer account for the bubble?? if i continued analyzing mtt spots I am sure I would start to see some ICM intricacies like I have found analyzing SNG spots, getting more comfortable in certain mtt spots. I understand most all tourney bubbles are quite a bit different than sng bubbles because sng bubbles are steeper which usually warrants a larger ICM tax in sngs, but the mtt bubble still has to certainly be considered right, as well as pay jumps??

this seems like a great feature for mtt push/fold spots and you may have yourself a new customer


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Old 03-23-2013, 10:05 PM   #196
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Yep ICM has unique MTT ICM based analysis calculator. It is important to add stacks on other tables, as they can greatly influence your equity in some rare spots. In most spots however entering number of players and total chips sum is enough, icmizer will randomly distribute stacks on other tables given total chips sum and players count.

Actual distribution will not be exact, but you will get a very close scenario for analysis of this MTT spot.

Then your ranges will be calculated using ICM based formula instead of ChipEv which obviously will result in completely different ranges for bubble scenarios and any other. Of-course difference will be most evident on bubble spot, where chipEv may allow you to call upto 3x times wider ranges, than ICM based calculation.

Please review following 2 articles related to MTT icm calculations from official site for further information about this feature:

http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/en...cm-calculator/

http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/en...tt-sng-change/

MTT icm calculations were added last year in August but I am not really running any serious advertisement so it is not a common knowledge that it is available yet, so I guess thats why you never realized it was there up until now.

I do believe its pretty awesome feature which opens new possibilities for MTT players, yes
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:53 AM   #197
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it is a great feature, just ran another calculation and this is legit. say, a hand shows a .05% EV, is this of the entire prizepool.

So, in this case a $1k total prizepool, my result would see a net gain of 50 cents(.0005*1000)?????

this is awesome man, great program

is there a max limit on custom payout structures? I am attempting to make a new payout structure and I can not click "OK" to finalize and close out the custom structure

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Old 03-25-2013, 01:23 PM   #198
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Hey well first of all if you want to figure out your EV in dollars just switch Output from ICM% EV to ICM$ EV and enter tournament prizepool.

As for payout creation, there are no limits. There are 2 ways to create payout - dollars and percents. Once you have added relevant payouts, that is at least as many as remaining players in tournament you can click Done button to finalize payout. It will fill irrelevant payouts automatically.

In order to save new payout sum of payouts should be equal 100% of prize pool and it should have a unique name.

If you continue to experience problem please attach a screenshot of payout which you cannot create so I can provide further help.

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So, in this case a $1k total prizepool, my result would see a net gain of 50 cents(.0005*1000)?
Yep sounds like 5 cents here, but as I say if your interested in $ you can make ICMIZER run calculations in dollars to be certain.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:00 PM   #199
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heh, i think that was my problem, not clicking "done" - thanks
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:03 PM   #200
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New update has been released today. It addresses a wildly requested feature, attacking a limper from BB position. It mostly comes from HUSNG players, but you can now analyze a situation with single limper while hero is BB with any number of players remaining in tournament.

This update was inspired by HUSNG professional Coffeeyay. This kind of spot wasn’t supported before, because when we do not push preflop we actually check, and I wasn’t sure how to calculate EV of check. He suggested letting players decide how much they believe their check will be worth after checking and finishing the hand; EV push is calculated as normal.

This will be mostly interesting for HU players I believe, because they spend massive amount of time on BB position and face limps all the time.

A pretty old thread where I was thinking about potential solutions and asking for opinions can be found here if you are curious: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...er-hu-1107885/

Other changes include

• When you check detailed results in ChipEv mode, details are also provided in ChipEv
• Update for downloadable version wasn’t reliable before. Sometimes it didn’t notice that new version was released and people were using outdated client and faced some errors. This should be fixed now
• Results display has been a little reworked
• When you analyze EV Check you can assign your stack change estimation in big blinds. Hit (i) button to better understand what’s going on there. I will also record a video about this soon

I will record a video about those new limp spots soon.
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