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Old 08-29-2017, 05:00 PM   #1851
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Re: ICMIZER 2

Hi there,

I just bought icmizer and started working with the program. Now this is the first hand I analyze and I already think this is a wrong advice.

The start of a 5 dollar super knockout 6-max hyper. UTG limps for 50 chips with 48% of hands. Hero on CO can shove (500 chips) with 7,1% of hands. How is that possible?? This program is saying you need to fold 77, KQs or A9s while this guy limps half of his hands and you can get a big bounty for that? This can't be right, right?
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Old 09-03-2017, 04:30 PM   #1852
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Re: ICMIZER 2

show a screenshot with your settings, I'm sure something is not set up correctly. first of all, u mentioned his limp%, but you never mentioned his call % when u shove, did u assign one??
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:15 AM   #1853
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Re: ICMIZER 2

Hello, I was just playing around with ICMIZER and I seem to have done something which changed the input in a way that I don't understand.

I loaded a hand history with a common reshove spot, and the output looked normal. Then I started messing with the BTN opening range, seeing how making it tighter and looser changed reshoving ranges.

After a while I put it to 42%, and got a suggestion that I reshove 94%, which seems a bit loose!

Here is a link to the screenshot, would appreciate knowing where I've gone wrong.

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/tvzHZE/
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Old 09-08-2017, 07:47 AM   #1854
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Re: ICMIZER 2

Well, maybe that has something to do with it p2. Thanks. And is it true that if I don't check the MTT mode (which isn't possible btw), that the program will approach this as a final table situation? Because the output will be wrong I assume.

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Old 09-08-2017, 07:51 AM   #1855
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Hi there,

It seems like you can't put in more than 60 people left in the MTT mode. Is that true? Because that would be a problem for analyzing MTT's right?

If I enter 95 people left, it automatically swithes to 60...

Thank you for any help!

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Old 09-08-2017, 01:11 PM   #1856
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I can't get it to work, as I can't run internet explorer on windows 10, and it doesn't run on chrome or edge.
I downloaded silverlight and ICMizer, and it still wouldn't work.
I tried to log in today to try again, and it won't let me recover lost password.
I'll try firefox.

It also seems overly expensive at $29.99 a month, especially considering the flaws, and no free trial of sng coach.
Hi

It should be working in Internet Explorer. Microsoft introduced new browser Microsoft Edge which is the default in Windows 10. It isn't the same as IE and it doesn't support Silverlight.

To launch Internet Explorer use the find option and enter "iexplore.exe" there.
If you still have troubles launching ICMIZER please send a support request to support@icmpoker.com and we will fix them. Please make sure to provide maximum data, like screenshots of errors.

Regarding your doubts regarding the price, you can purchase a 3 month or yearly subscription and take advantage of our money back guarantee if you aren't satisfied with ICMIZER during the first month after the first purchase.
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Old 09-08-2017, 01:12 PM   #1857
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Why are these locks appearing?

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/IhGEAX/
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Please read this section from the article to learn more about locks:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/calc...ations/#Locked
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Old 09-08-2017, 01:16 PM   #1858
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Hi there,

I just bought icmizer and started working with the program. Now this is the first hand I analyze and I already think this is a wrong advice.

The start of a 5 dollar super knockout 6-max hyper. UTG limps for 50 chips with 48% of hands. Hero on CO can shove (500 chips) with 7,1% of hands. How is that possible?? This program is saying you need to fold 77, KQs or A9s while this guy limps half of his hands and you can get a big bounty for that? This can't be right, right?
Hi

Please attach a screenshot demonstrating the result you are getting so we can see what is wrong. ICMIZER is the calculator, so if the results appear to be off, it usually indicates that input (usually ranges) was not realistic, like someone folding too much or too little, for example.

I also recommend to watch our tutorial here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0EAAtASNWM
And to read our short instructions manual here to get good with the tool asap: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/how-...and-histories/
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Old 09-08-2017, 01:19 PM   #1859
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Hello, I was just playing around with ICMIZER and I seem to have done something which changed the input in a way that I don't understand.

I loaded a hand history with a common reshove spot, and the output looked normal. Then I started messing with the BTN opening range, seeing how making it tighter and looser changed reshoving ranges.

After a while I put it to 42%, and got a suggestion that I reshove 94%, which seems a bit loose!

Here is a link to the screenshot, would appreciate knowing where I've gone wrong.

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/tvzHZE/
Hi
When we are restealing someone we are dealing with 2 ranges: open raise range and call our all-in range, which is part of the first raise.
If someone opens often, but calls not often enough they open themselves to any two reshove exploitation. The call simply doesn't happen often enough and you can push super wide. In this case on the screenshot the open raise is 42% but the calling range is only 10%, which is a 4x difference, meaning opponent is folding to your push almost more than 75% of the time. You can click the Calculate Nash equilibrium Beta button to get more realistic ranges.
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Old 09-11-2017, 05:36 PM   #1860
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Hi there,

Can anybody tell me why button is just shoving 2,6% of hands of here?

Thanks

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/UYFUxU/
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:50 AM   #1861
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Hi there,

Can anybody tell me why button is just shoving 2,6% of hands of here?

Thanks

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/UYFUxU/
Hi

This is a tricky spot on the bubble of tournament with tricky payouts.
Generally when blinds are so low I recommend to check how deeper FGS affects our ranges, like FGS5 or 6. In this case it doesn't change too much in BTN strategy, BTN stays super tight.

This is because the EV of fold is very high. There is a very realistic chance that BB vs SB end up in all-in and it is a very profitable scenario for BTN. Because of this he folds and hopes for the best. Next hand he is all-in with ATC but it doesn't mean he is excited to push anything except nuts right now.

It is counter intuitive and these types of spots are exactly why you need ICMIZER. Imagine your opponent's strategy who may be far closer to something like chipEV-based ranges in this spot. The mistake of pushing anything but nuts in this spot is huge.
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:23 AM   #1862
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Re: ICMIZER 2

Ok, thanks Q!
So, another question. This is weird:

situation A: Button and BB sit with 20 BB in 45 man SNG, Blinds 60-120, Button shoves

ICMIZER says that Nash equilibrium is that Button can shove 36%,
BB calls with 14%:
http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/cnjaLx/

situation B: Button and BB sit with 20 BB in 45 man SNG, Blinds 100-200, Button shoves

ICMIZER says that Nash equilibrium is that Button can shove 40%,
BB calls with 11,3%:
http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/cOleTN/

Difference is that we have more chips than in first situation, compared to the rest of the field, so there might be a difference because we have more to lose or something?
Anyway, the weirdest is that Button takes MORE risk and BB takes even LESS risk than in the first situation. ???????

I try to find rules to hold on to. Otherwise I need extra coaching. Is that possible?
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Old 09-19-2017, 12:07 AM   #1863
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I want to look up what "power-call" or "power-push" etc. mean.

Where am I supposed to look to find this information?

I searched for it on the http://support.icmpoker.com website and nothing came up. Shouldn't this information be in a manual somewhere?
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:51 AM   #1864
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Ok, thanks Q!
So, another question. This is weird:

situation A: Button and BB sit with 20 BB in 45 man SNG, Blinds 60-120, Button shoves

ICMIZER says that Nash equilibrium is that Button can shove 36%,
BB calls with 14%:
http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/cnjaLx/

situation B: Button and BB sit with 20 BB in 45 man SNG, Blinds 100-200, Button shoves

ICMIZER says that Nash equilibrium is that Button can shove 40%,
BB calls with 11,3%:
http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/cOleTN/

Difference is that we have more chips than in first situation, compared to the rest of the field, so there might be a difference because we have more to lose or something?
Anyway, the weirdest is that Button takes MORE risk and BB takes even LESS risk than in the first situation. ???????

I try to find rules to hold on to. Otherwise I need extra coaching. Is that possible?


Hi.

This is a pretty typical behavior of ranges. In second case player who pushes has the advantage because the caller is less inclined to risk his stack than in the first spot. So the pusher is wider and the caller is tighter than in the first case.

If you switch spot so it is from the eyes of BB and BTN pushes the same range in both cases you will see that bb has to be tighter than in the first situation. Because of this optimal pushing range for BTN is slightly wider.

Regarding coaching, my time is very limited and I do not coach these days.
However, I am certain there are coaches on the market who could help you to interpret ICMIZER results and better understand the cause and effect of certain decisions.
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:54 AM   #1865
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Re: ICMIZER 2

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I want to look up what "power-call" or "power-push" etc. mean.

Where am I supposed to look to find this information?

I searched for it on the http://support.icmpoker.com website and nothing came up. Shouldn't this information be in a manual somewhere?
Hi. Rankings are a rarely used ICMIZER feature.
We plan to remove them from the tool with the ICMIZER 3 release because they detract more from the experience than they add.

The idea behind them in the current state is the following: there are different ways to sort 169 hands and rankings affect this sorting. The chosen rakings will define the behavior of range sliders. In Push rankings, certain hands are positioned higher than in Call rankings and vice versa. Because of this, 30% range with power call or power push hands will be different.
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Old Yesterday, 06:36 AM   #1866
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Please don't remove the ranking system; I think many would agree with me that they can be extremely useful in defining ranges because of how dramatically different Regs and Recs approach push/fold/call situations
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Old Yesterday, 06:50 PM   #1867
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Hi. Rankings are a rarely used ICMIZER feature.
We plan to remove them from the tool with the ICMIZER 3 release because they detract more from the experience than they add.

The idea behind them in the current state is the following: there are different ways to sort 169 hands and rankings affect this sorting. The chosen rakings will define the behavior of range sliders. In Push rankings, certain hands are positioned higher than in Call rankings and vice versa. Because of this, 30% range with power call or power push hands will be different.
Sounds good, thanks.

Can you tell me, is there a way to edit an existing tournament format that I created? I don't see any edit function but maybe I'm missing it. Thx.
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Old Yesterday, 06:51 PM   #1868
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Please don't remove the ranking system; I think many would agree with me that they can be extremely useful in defining ranges because of how dramatically different Regs and Recs approach push/fold/call situations
Can you explain more about this?

I don't even understand the difference between the 4 ranking systems. Do you know how each works and how to apply them? Because I'd like to know. And if it's useful then yes we want to keep it.

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