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10-12-2016 , 01:32 PM
Do ICMzier take into account card removal?
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10-12-2016 , 11:18 PM
hi. i'm new to icmizer and i have a few questions. the first one is how the opponents' default calling ranges are calculated. i have used sng wiz in the past, and the default ranges on there seem really different than the ones i sometimes see in icmizer. for example this hand:

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/UoDgmf/

here, the bb calling range is coming up as 95%. i don't know any players who are calling that wide there, but just to see, i loaded the same hand into sng wiz and the default model gives a calling range of 16%. am i missing something here?

also, what do the hand rankings "power push" and "power call" mean?

thanks in advance for your help.
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10-12-2016 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by yabai
hi. i'm new to icmizer and i have a few questions. the first one is how the opponents' default calling ranges are calculated. i have used sng wiz in the past, and the default ranges on there seem really different than the ones i sometimes see in icmizer. for example this hand:

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/UoDgmf/

here, the bb calling range is coming up as 95%. i don't know any players who are calling that wide there, but just to see, i loaded the same hand into sng wiz and the default model gives a calling range of 16%. am i missing something here?

also, what do the hand rankings "power push" and "power call" mean?

thanks in advance for your help.
Hi. Sng Wizard simply doesn't have Nash ranges calculator feature, so for them Default ranges is a feature.
On the other hand the key feature of ICMIZER 2 is its advanced Nash calculator. In ICMIZER 2 right now default ranges shouldn't be perceived as something you should be using to base your strategy on.

You should either assign Nash ranges using Calculate Nash equilibrium button, or edit them manually, before getting results.

Compared to assigning default ranges, Calculating Nash equilibrium takes significant time, so the analysis process generally consists of 3 steps in ICMIZER 2

1) Load hand
2) Assign ranges (either Nash or manual assignment or combination of both)
3) Hit Calculate to get a precise range for hero

If you miss 2nd step the results won't be close to anything useful in most cases.

As for hand rankings, they affect how sliders in range editor add individual hands to the range when you edit the range.
Power push puts suited connectors in tighter ranges than Power call would put them, while power call values high card hands more than power push.
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10-12-2016 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx
Do ICMzier take into account card removal?
Hi. Yes, it does.
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10-13-2016 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Invader
Hi,

sorry, only today I´ve figured that I have to press charts and then results to show the nash ranges without editing any villians ranges.

Another doubt: If I am at a multitable tournament (large field, 6 max or 9 max) and I am not in the money. Which format I should select to analyse my hand which is chip EV? Any format will do because it's chip EV?

Thanks.
Hi. If you are in early stage of MTT you can either use Chip EV calculations or use some top heavy custom payout structure like 90% first, 10% second.

If there are less than 60 players remaining, you can use MTT ICM Calculator feature: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/mtt-icm-calculator/
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10-13-2016 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. Sng Wizard simply doesn't have Nash ranges calculator feature, so for them Default ranges is a feature.
On the other hand the key feature of ICMIZER 2 is its advanced Nash calculator. In ICMIZER 2 right now default ranges shouldn't be perceived as something you should be using to base your strategy on.

You should either assign Nash ranges using Calculate Nash equilibrium button, or edit them manually, before getting results.

Compared to assigning default ranges, Calculating Nash equilibrium takes significant time, so the analysis process generally consists of 3 steps in ICMIZER 2

1) Load hand
2) Assign ranges (either Nash or manual assignment or combination of both)
3) Hit Calculate to get a precise range for hero

If you miss 2nd step the results won't be close to anything useful in most cases.

As for hand rankings, they affect how sliders in range editor add individual hands to the range when you edit the range.
Power push puts suited connectors in tighter ranges than Power call would put them, while power call values high card hands more than power push.
ok, that helped clear things up. thanks a lot for your help!
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10-14-2016 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. We're creating an update to address this issue.
It should be available tomorrow.
Thank you very much!! It works correctly
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10-14-2016 , 07:43 AM
Hello again.
Sorry for the inconvenience but i just see it, now there is a new FGS.

Which is the difference between FGS 1 and 2?
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10-15-2016 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. Thank you for your suggestion.
We will give it a thought. Right now we only have single structure available in SNG Coach for Chip EV calculations and we plan to change that soon.

One thing that is coming for sure is Chip EV MTT mode with antes, in addition to current no ante format.
Thank you for the answer. For the second part I don't think that I understand exactly what do you mean. When I do quizes in MTT Chip EV mode all hands have a current pot and under a smaller pot which I assumed is the antes from every player (10% of BB). Am I wrong?

Also, is there a place where I can check a log with all the changes implemented with different versions of ICMIZER? This would be very useful for us to check out what was implemented and also the new features. Thanks again!
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10-16-2016 , 08:27 AM
hey,
is it true that icmizer doesn't support calculating nash equilibrium in resteal spots? wtf is that?
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10-17-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ifoundtheholygrail
hey,
is it true that icmizer doesn't support calculating nash equilibrium in resteal spots?
Hi

Currently Nash calculations for resteal spots is only supported for situations where raiser is on the SB position.

We are working on a Fully functional Nash ranges calculator feature for all kinds of raisers & other possible bettors right now (including 4 bets, limpers & other types of non all-in vpip actions).

This major update should become available later this year.
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10-17-2016 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by thekeeper121
Hello again.
Sorry for the inconvenience but i just see it, now there is a new FGS.

Which is the difference between FGS 1 and 2?
Hi. In Update ICMIZER 2.5 we've added support for FGS of depth 2.
Depth 2 basically means that it will look 2 hands ahead, and it will see that in the upcoming hands UTG+1 will be hit by the big blind and adjust his strategy.

FGS 1 looks 1 hand ahead and only sees that UTG will be hit by big blind in the next hand.

I am preparing a detailed article about this update and FGS depth meaning right now, it should be available later on our website.
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10-17-2016 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thekeeper121
Thank you very much!! It works correctly
Hi! You are welcome
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10-17-2016 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 7even2euc3
Thank you for the answer. For the second part I don't think that I understand exactly what do you mean. When I do quizes in MTT Chip EV mode all hands have a current pot and under a smaller pot which I assumed is the antes from every player (10% of BB). Am I wrong?

Also, is there a place where I can check a log with all the changes implemented with different versions of ICMIZER? This would be very useful for us to check out what was implemented and also the new features. Thanks again!
Hi. If there is smaller pot then it means it has antes yes. But the early levels of MTTs Chip EV quiz currently do not have antes, I meant that.

As for changelog for all changes, currently its unavailable. I post most significant changes on our facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/ICMIZER/

You can like and subscribe to notifications so you won't miss anything important.
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10-18-2016 , 07:59 AM
Any prediction to have FGS2 in SNG Coach?
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10-18-2016 , 10:54 AM
How can I improve work speed of calculations? In last two days it works pretty slow.
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10-18-2016 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrosVas
How can I improve work speed of calculations? In last two days it works pretty slow.
Hi. There was a slight problem on our servers last 2 days and it was resolved now and everything is back to normal. If there is still a problem for you, please let us know.
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10-18-2016 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ThiagoCorreia
Any prediction to have FGS2 in SNG Coach?
Hi. I think we will add it, but that's not our short priority list right now.
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10-18-2016 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. If you are in early stage of MTT you can either use Chip EV calculations or use some top heavy custom payout structure like 90% first, 10% second.

If there are less than 60 players remaining, you can use MTT ICM Calculator feature: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/mtt-icm-calculator/
I'm sorry I am a bit confused, but I don't see this feature anywhere in ICMIZER2, or any link on the site to download ICMIZER1. Am I allowed to get it with a subcription to ICMIZER2?
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10-18-2016 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaps
I'm sorry I am a bit confused, but I don't see this feature anywhere in ICMIZER2, or any link on the site to download ICMIZER1. Am I allowed to get it with a subcription to ICMIZER2?
Hi. I guess there is a problem with our user interface. its the big [ ] MTT checkbox below the table.
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10-18-2016 , 05:33 PM
Wow I'm blind. This is amazing!
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10-19-2016 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. There was a slight problem on our servers last 2 days and it was resolved now and everything is back to normal. If there is still a problem for you, please let us know.
It is fine now, thanks for great work.
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10-20-2016 , 04:40 PM
Hey!
I'm wondering what are the results I'm getting in one spot - if MP player jams 5BB, I'm on the SB with 17BB's and BB has more than that. The isle next to my range says hero call %, so does that mean the range profit calculation that I get shows how wide I can call with BB overcalling certain range and postflop goes check/check between us till showdown or does it calculate me iso jamming 17BB's with BB overcalling my whole stack with certain range?
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10-21-2016 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TRNSLTR
Hey!
I'm wondering what are the results I'm getting in one spot - if MP player jams 5BB, I'm on the SB with 17BB's and BB has more than that. The isle next to my range says hero call %, so does that mean the range profit calculation that I get shows how wide I can call with BB overcalling certain range and postflop goes check/check between us till showdown or does it calculate me iso jamming 17BB's with BB overcalling my whole stack with certain range?
Hi. ICMIZER assumes that players are either pushing or folding, so in this case both players are jamming their stacks and potential postflop obscurity isn't part of the problem.
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10-23-2016 , 10:45 AM
Why sometimes do I get different results when I click "Calculate FGS2 Nash Equlibrium"and "Calculate FGS2"? I usualy click "Calculate FGS2" to see the card matrix and be able to copy and past the range, but sometimes there is a good difference in the % of hero push range. I'm using FGS2 Chip EV calculations.

Last edited by ThiagoCorreia; 10-23-2016 at 10:54 AM.
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