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Old 09-22-2012, 02:21 PM   #76
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Re: ICMIZER support

hello,

MTT ICM calculations suggest to tighten up considerably for push/call when approaching money bubble, ridiculously tight I would say. This is becuase:

a) ICM is not perfect model (future equity and chip utility issue)
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b) calucations of ICMizer are not correct.

Can you say something at this topic?
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:30 PM   #77
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ICM is always suggesting to be very tight with calls on the bubble, especially against stacks that can bust you.

What are you comparing it with though? ChipEV ? Obviously ChipEV is gonna suggest sick loose push/call ranges on bubble, cause it completely ignores bubble factor.

You can compare chipEV or ICM suggestions on bubble of normal SNG. With ICM they are "ridiculously" tight.

And yeah a) is of-course a factor in MTT. Although calling as ChipEV suggests definately is burning money away.

Since up until now ICM calcs in MTT simply weren't possible its hard to answer this with full academical certainty and precision.

As for b) given model used, rest assured that calcs are correct.

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Old 10-01-2012, 05:53 PM   #78
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Re: ICMIZER support

hi there,

something that im not quite clear on, in resteal mode, does the program assume that villain is raise/calling his whole range? i cant figure out how to factor in his raise/fold range

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Old 10-01-2012, 09:12 PM   #79
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Hey

you may find this article about resteals in HU sngs useful: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/en...up-sit-and-go/

But to answer your question here: when we analyze 3bet or 4bet spot, opponent makes a raise with a certain range. Then, if we shove, he will call with a part of that range .

So there are 2 ranges, for those spots Entire range that he raised with is marked as RA range, part of range that he calls resteal with is called CA range.

You edit those 2 separately, if CA is equal to RA range, then it means that he calls with entire range. If he calls with 20% and 3bets with 80% it means that he will fold to 3 bet 75% of the time (80-20)/(80)

I hope it is clear, I am not allowed to post screenshots in this thread so for more info please check article.

If anything is still unclear don't hesitate to ask.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:34 AM   #80
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New release ICMIZER includes the following:

- 4 bet push for hero calculations (you raise, opponent 3 bets, you ..)
Love your program but could you please tell me how to simulate the 4bet shove scenario?
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:25 AM   #81
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To analyze 4 bet spot, hero places a first bet, then he faces a resteal from opponent behind.

For example HU hyper you raise 40 from SB BB, he 3bets 100 from BB. Now we are in 4 bet scenario.

Just click on the bet amount next to hero and next to player who 3 bet him, put right amounts and you are ready to go.

There are 2 ranges just as in normal 3bet resteal scenario, opponents RA (raise) range, and his CA (call) range. RA in this case is his 3bet range. CA is his range that he calls your 4 bet with.

Once everything is set, hit Calculate.

You can review how it should look here
for HU spot: www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#tNBW
for 6max spot when we steal from BTN and BB 3bets: www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#JsMu
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:12 PM   #82
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Re: ICMIZER support

If you must have a hand limit then I would suggest that you need a special email address to respond to email requests immediately.

Love the program.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #83
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Hey Pastor.

Yes, that is suboptimal currently. I am thinking about the problem and automating the process.

But so far I always responded within 12 hours I believe, and when email doesn't hit me at sleep, within an hour or less sometimes.

Thanks for the love
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:35 PM   #84
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Love your program but could you please tell me how to simulate the 4bet shove scenario?
I went a little further and wrote an article about 4bet calculations with ICMIZER.
Please check it out here: 4bet resteal calculation how to guide
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:56 AM   #85
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Any chance you'll be adding limps?
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:54 AM   #86
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So there are 2 ranges, for those spots Entire range that he raised with is marked as RA range, part of range that he calls resteal with is called CA range.
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yep, thanks, i understand now.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:12 PM   #87
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As for limps please see this thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...er-hu-1107885/
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:36 AM   #88
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Hey ICMIZER Support team,
It would be a great update if you guys could make a button for setting all overcall ranges to a certain range. Thank you
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:25 AM   #89
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Hey ProvidenceG

I dont think this is planned, cause it sounds like a pretty strange thing to do, given that for different stacks it should be different against the different push-call ranges.

However nearest-next update will cover this to some point, so please hold on.
Lets just say that manual overcall range editing is very tiresome and lengthy process.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:08 AM   #90
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Re: ICMIZER support

Are you planing to add PSM ev ? (take in count the next 1 2 or 3 hands)
Pretty usefull when we dont have a lot a BB and the bb is going to hit us soon,

Also iam playing in two diferents computer, is that ok if i buy subcription?
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:52 AM   #91
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Yes, Future Game Simulation is a planned feature to be added quite soon.

Yes, you can use it from different computers with 1 subscription, but sharing account with someone else is not allowed.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:30 AM   #92
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Re: ICMIZER support

Hi,Q. I imported my pokerstars 180 man hand history and assigned nash range, the range from every position I manually pressed "calculate" is different from the nash one, only the headsup pushing range is identical. I have absolutely no idea. Thanks.
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:41 AM   #93
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Current Nash is in beta and there are some flaws in its calculation. In new ICMIZER release is going to be fixed and improved in various ways its about to go live very soon.
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:12 AM   #94
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Hey ProvidenceG

I dont think this is planned, cause it sounds like a pretty strange thing to do, given that for different stacks it should be different against the different push-call ranges.

However nearest-next update will cover this to some point, so please hold on.
Lets just say that manual overcall range editing is very tiresome and lengthy process.
I was trying to ask can you give us a button where we can define what range we want to set all overcalls to?
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:36 AM   #95
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Hi,Q. Can you explain briefly why other people pushing and calling range affects our pushing range in final table ? Do you accept fulltilt transfer? Thanks.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:16 PM   #96
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Re: ICMIZER support

Other people pushing/calling ranges directly affect our fold equity in positive way.
For example if you know that opponents behind you are going to push/call 100% of the time (using random ranges obviously) it means that when you fold there is a huge chance that you will move up in tournament and increaseyour equity greatly. Thats a very high Expected Value of Fold action.

So in this case push EV with potential call outcomes and won blinds if you arent called is often not good enough so this would lead to very thin shoving range, and wide range of cards where you just fold them and technically fold yourself into the money.

If opponents arent gonna clash behind you often though, it means that EV fold is going to be closer to what your EV of stack was when the hand started. So EV Fold will be lower, and there will be more hands where EV push > Ev Fold, making your push range wider.

As for FTP transfer its not open yet so PM me and we can figure something out.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:29 PM   #97
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Re: ICMIZER support

New major update for ICMIZER, mostly related to Nash ranges calculations
In the new version:

- Nash equilibrium ranges calculations are not in beta anymore. This means that problems which unsurfaced sometimes in previous version are all gone.

- When you paste Single hand, Nash ranges are automatically assigned during this process, using currently selected payout structure and a fast Nash algorithm. Although it is suggested to click Assign Nash ranges to use full version algorithm, results from fast Nash are also very good

- Users who used scaling in windows (125% or 150%) experienced problems with range editor, those problems are fixed now.

- Seriously improved calculation speed in general
- Added PokerStars 27 man payout (PS 27 man in payout dropdown)
- Added help for [Download] button which gives information about reinstalling ICMIZER. This process wasn't very transparent before
- Also fixed a list of small bugs and issues
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:34 AM   #98
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Purchased a 3 month license but didn't got a subscribtion code. I did got an error during payment but the amount was charged from my Netteller. Send you also an email.

Hope you can sort this out.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:27 AM   #99
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Re: ICMIZER support

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Old 10-22-2012, 01:49 PM   #100
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There is a bug that somehow I can't select any A2-32 hands when I pick hero's hand.
Could you please fix that ?
Also, have requested this before, please enable us to name the range we save, I don't want the name to be just X%.
just quoting the post as the bug seems like occuring again please fix that.
and still hoping to see the named range feature in near future.
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