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12-20-2014 , 05:45 PM
Hi Q,

Do you actually know the release day of Icmizer 2? I'm not trying to be annoying, I'm really looking forward to see Icmizer 2.

Regards,
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12-20-2014 , 10:30 PM
Hey TheRider

As Blizzard says about their game delivery dates, when its done. Really, can't force it faster than when it is ready.

We are very close and we are determined to deliver asap. Look for the updates, upcoming weeks are going to be hot!
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12-21-2014 , 07:17 AM
hi
its winningpokernetwork
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12-27-2014 , 03:18 PM
hi Q, another hand that's pasted incorrectly:

Full Tilt Poker Game #35077130974: $10,000 Guarantee (284053115), Table 42 - NL Hold'em - 200/400 Ante 50 - 20:15:36 CET - 2014/12/27 [14:15:36 ET - 2014/12/27]
Seat 1: Sergio pined4 (7,774)
Seat 2: Meghalos (23,067)
Seat 3: talentfrei88 (14,068)
Seat 4: cappucino 2 (6,764)
Seat 5: Iavto (14,755)
Seat 6: Fahrenheit911 (3,593)
Seat 7: -mash-x (11,660)
Seat 8: arko56 (7,379)
Seat 9: SR24000 (18,528)
Sergio pined4 antes 50
Meghalos antes 50
talentfrei88 antes 50
cappucino 2 antes 50
Iavto antes 50
-mash-x antes 50
arko56 antes 50
SR24000 antes 50
-mash-x posts the small blind of 200
arko56 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to -mash-x [Jh 2h]
SR24000 folds
Sergio pined4 folds
Meghalos folds
talentfrei88 folds
cappucino 2 folds
Iavto folds
-mash-x raises to 11,610, and is all in
arko56 calls 6,929, and is all in
-mash-x shows [Jh 2h]
arko56 shows [Js As]
Uncalled bet of 4,281 returned to -mash-x
*** FLOP *** [6c Tc Jd] (Total Pot: 15,058, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
*** TURN *** [6c Tc Jd] [9h] (Total Pot: 15,058, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
talentfrei88 has been disconnected
talentfrei88 has reconnected
*** RIVER *** [6c Tc Jd 9h] [7s] (Total Pot: 15,058, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
-mash-x shows a pair of Jacks
arko56 shows a pair of Jacks
arko56 wins the pot (15,058) with a pair of Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15,058 | Rake 0
Board: [6c Tc Jd 9h 7s]
Seat 1: Sergio pined4 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Meghalos folded before the Flop
Seat 3: talentfrei88 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: cappucino 2 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Iavto (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Fahrenheit911 is sitting out
Seat 7: -mash-x (small blind) showed [Jh 2h] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: arko56 (big blind) showed [Js As] and won (15,058) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: SR24000 folded before the Flop
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12-28-2014 , 01:06 PM
when you fiddle with 'Hero range with x min EV Diff chips' it would be nice it clearing that window would input a default value of 0 after pasting another hand.

Example: I set in a current hand 20 chips EV Diff in that field, do my calculations and then move on and paste another hand (which is pasted below). Now default value for that field will be something silly and all of the range will be 'greyed out', for example for the hand below it assigned value 10074. Seems unintended.

PokerStars Hand #127630760393: Tournament #1091533845, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2014/12/28 17:55:10 CET [2014/12/28 11:55:10 ET]
Table '1091533845 5' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: POKERHOUSECZ (7468 in chips)
Seat 2: TabordaPT (5743 in chips)
Seat 3: swagman58 (5222 in chips)
Seat 5: OOmekatzoOO1 (9760 in chips)
Seat 6: mashek (3804 in chips)
Seat 7: adamt1991 (6501 in chips)
Seat 8: Bellthinker (4332 in chips)
Seat 9: captainsea (7539 in chips)
POKERHOUSECZ: posts the ante 50
TabordaPT: posts the ante 50
swagman58: posts the ante 50
OOmekatzoOO1: posts the ante 50
mashek: posts the ante 50
adamt1991: posts the ante 50
Bellthinker: posts the ante 50
captainsea: posts the ante 50
TabordaPT: posts small blind 300
swagman58: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mashek [Ad 8h]
OOmekatzoOO1: folds
mashek: raises 3154 to 3754 and is all-in
adamt1991: folds
Bellthinker: raises 528 to 4282 and is all-in
captainsea: folds
POKERHOUSECZ: folds
TabordaPT: folds
swagman58: folds
Uncalled bet (528) returned to Bellthinker
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3d 5d]
*** TURN *** [Jd 3d 5d] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 3d 5d 2d] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mashek: shows [Ad 8h] (a flush, Ace high)
Bellthinker: shows [8s 8d] (a flush, Jack high)
mashek collected 8808 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8808 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 3d 5d 2d Kh]
Seat 1: POKERHOUSECZ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TabordaPT (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: swagman58 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: OOmekatzoOO1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mashek showed [Ad 8h] and won (8808) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: adamt1991 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bellthinker showed [8s 8d] and lost with a flush, Jack high
Seat 9: captainsea folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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12-29-2014 , 08:29 PM
Hi Q,

I just wanted to find out your opinion. I really like speed poker format and a I'm planning to start playing some Rush MTT and Zoom MTT's. Have you ever tested Icmizer for this kind of formats?
The first limitation I could think of would be not having a good knowledge and reads on our opponents, so it would be difficult to assign calling and pushing ranges. Using default or Nash ranges could be helpful, but I'm curious about your opinion.

Regards,
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12-30-2014 , 09:07 AM
http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#eiEa

häää?

i hit calculate nash, its 21% pushrange. then i hit calculate
suddenly its 25% shove range?
why is that
ty
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12-30-2014 , 07:38 PM
Purchased this recently, I can't seem to get the copy/paste hand histories to work, I've tried loading single hands, multiple hands...it just says it's unable to load hand from provided text and suggests accepted formats (pokerstars, full tilt, etc)...or else it accepts the hand but doesn't load it right (e.g. not as many players as there should be)

I'm copying directly out of HEM2, & I've tried copying them under all the accepted formats that HEM2 can convert to...like if I copy in Full Tilt format then icmizer won't give the error but also won't load all the players (the ones it does load do have correct stack sizes tho i think)

btw these are bovada hands that have been converted for HEM with the Bovada HH Converter software, fwiw

Love this tool. I will love it much more when I can load whole tournament histories tho & not have to put things in manually. Thanks --Kody
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12-30-2014 , 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lotusv
Purchased this recently, I can't seem to get the copy/paste hand histories to work, I've tried loading single hands, multiple hands...it just says it's unable to load hand from provided text and suggests accepted formats (pokerstars, full tilt, etc)...or else it accepts the hand but doesn't load it right (e.g. not as many players as there should be)

I'm copying directly out of HEM2, & I've tried copying them under all the accepted formats that HEM2 can convert to...like if I copy in Full Tilt format then icmizer won't give the error but also won't load all the players (the ones it does load do have correct stack sizes tho i think)

btw these are bovada hands that have been converted for HEM with the Bovada HH Converter software, fwiw

Love this tool. I will love it much more when I can load whole tournament histories tho & not have to put things in manually. Thanks --Kody
Hey Kody.
Thanks for kind words about our program. I am afraid that Bovada hand histories aren't supported right now. I've checked that hands converted by that converter aren't really looking like expected format so even after converter they aren't supported in ICMIZER.

We plan to add native Bovada hand histories support very soon (probably right after ICMIZER 2 release, which is scheduled for this January 2015).

I already have a pack of native Bovada hand histories which we plan to support soon, but having more won't hurt. So could you please send us a pack of Bovada hands to support email support@icmpoker.com

Please do not send "converted" hands, cause that converter is really flawed. We plan to add Native Bovada support so no additional software is required to load Bovada hands in ICMIZER.
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12-30-2014 , 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbfreak
http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#eiEa

häää?

i hit calculate nash, its 21% pushrange. then i hit calculate
suddenly its 25% shove range?
why is that
ty
Hey bbfreak. ICMIZER Calculate Nash equilibrium function finds Nash equilibrium approximation, because pure Nash equilibrium usually doesn't exist.

The Calculate button performs a precise calculation. Please check this article to learn more: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/

You can ask in comments to it if you have further question, but its a pretty definitive guide to this kind of questions.
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12-30-2014 , 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRider
Hi Q,

I just wanted to find out your opinion. I really like speed poker format and a I'm planning to start playing some Rush MTT and Zoom MTT's. Have you ever tested Icmizer for this kind of formats?
The first limitation I could think of would be not having a good knowledge and reads on our opponents, so it would be difficult to assign calling and pushing ranges. Using default or Nash ranges could be helpful, but I'm curious about your opinion.

Regards,
Hi if I understand correctly Rush and Zoom MTTs mean that opponents are assigned randomly to tables every hand. Well I guess that final table in those tournaments is going to be played as standard SNG format, so there you can clearly use ICMIZER as you would when reviewing standard MTT final table.

As for earlier phase, knowing the Nash equilibrium strategy can be very efficient against random opponents and thats what ICMIZER can help you with. Our unique MTT ICM calculator feature is great for analyzing ICM pressure before the final table of MTT is reached: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/articles/mtt-icm-calculator/

Generally rush or zoom MTTs aren't very different in terms of theory and ICM from standard MTTs so sure ICMIZER will be very helpful and will save you a lot of $ from potential expensive mistakes and will generate a lot of $ from correct plays where you would have otherwise folded.

The random nature is a layer of complexity, but it doesn't make turn MTTs into some random unanalyzeable format. If we are in late push/fold stage of any poker tournament ICMIZER will help you to play in such phase better.
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12-30-2014 , 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mashxx
when you fiddle with 'Hero range with x min EV Diff chips' it would be nice it clearing that window would input a default value of 0 after pasting another hand.

Example: I set in a current hand 20 chips EV Diff in that field, do my calculations and then move on and paste another hand (which is pasted below). Now default value for that field will be something silly and all of the range will be 'greyed out', for example for the hand below it assigned value 10074. Seems unintended.

PokerStars Hand #127630760393: Tournament #1091533845, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2014/12/28 17:55:10 CET [2014/12/28 11:55:10 ET]
Table '1091533845 5' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: POKERHOUSECZ (7468 in chips)
Seat 2: TabordaPT (5743 in chips)
Seat 3: swagman58 (5222 in chips)
Seat 5: OOmekatzoOO1 (9760 in chips)
Seat 6: mashek (3804 in chips)
Seat 7: adamt1991 (6501 in chips)
Seat 8: Bellthinker (4332 in chips)
Seat 9: captainsea (7539 in chips)
POKERHOUSECZ: posts the ante 50
TabordaPT: posts the ante 50
swagman58: posts the ante 50
OOmekatzoOO1: posts the ante 50
mashek: posts the ante 50
adamt1991: posts the ante 50
Bellthinker: posts the ante 50
captainsea: posts the ante 50
TabordaPT: posts small blind 300
swagman58: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mashek [Ad 8h]
OOmekatzoOO1: folds
mashek: raises 3154 to 3754 and is all-in
adamt1991: folds
Bellthinker: raises 528 to 4282 and is all-in
captainsea: folds
POKERHOUSECZ: folds
TabordaPT: folds
swagman58: folds
Uncalled bet (528) returned to Bellthinker
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3d 5d]
*** TURN *** [Jd 3d 5d] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 3d 5d 2d] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mashek: shows [Ad 8h] (a flush, Ace high)
Bellthinker: shows [8s 8d] (a flush, Jack high)
mashek collected 8808 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8808 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 3d 5d 2d Kh]
Seat 1: POKERHOUSECZ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TabordaPT (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: swagman58 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: OOmekatzoOO1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mashek showed [Ad 8h] and won (8808) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: adamt1991 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bellthinker showed [8s 8d] and lost with a flush, Jack high
Seat 9: captainsea folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Hey. I'll fix the issue with first hand soon.

As for your suggestion regarding min EV diff, we do not plan to randomly interfere with custom user settings.

If you choose to edit min EV diff which isn't really happening too often it automatically means that you know what you are doing, so resetting it to 0 value could like make someone unhappy about such behavior. The reaction could be "I know what I want, why is this stupid program resetting my own setting as if it knows better" That can be very annoying and I don't think it would be reasonable for 99% of cases. If it were we could talk about forgetting about the remaining 1% of cases.
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12-31-2014 , 05:01 AM
Right, but if I do clear that field - it shouldn't go back to 10074 (in this case) after I click elsewhere though but to 0?
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01-02-2015 , 05:10 AM
Hi Q,

In a 4 handed game where top 2 get paid, should I be using Chip EV or ICM EV?
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01-03-2015 , 08:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananajuice
Hi Q,

In a 4 handed game where top 2 get paid, should I be using Chip EV or ICM EV?
Hey. You should be using ICM EV calculations for such tournament.

You will need to create a custom payout structure.
Simply hit a [+] sign next to list of payouts and add one which corresponds to your payouts.

I am not sure if 2 payouts are the same (50% first 50% second) or different. What is exactly the room & tournament you are playing?
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01-04-2015 , 02:06 AM
Im playing the $3.50's 6 Max hyper turbo sit n go's where first is $12.95 and second is $6.97
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01-04-2015 , 03:24 PM
Ah thanks.
In this case it appears like 65%/35% standard 6 max payout, which is available from the list.
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01-05-2015 , 09:54 AM
If i purchase a subscription before my current subscription has ended will it add on to the time I have left or will it start fresh?
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01-05-2015 , 11:49 AM
Hi Kid Cld

Recently we have moved to auto-recurring subscriptions, which start the moment you buy them. So using the words from your question, it will start fresh.
It makes sense to buy it on the last day of your active subscription (or even the day it has ended), instead of doing it in advance.

Thanks for your question.
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01-07-2015 , 01:23 PM
hey Q, I'm interested in buying ICMizer , the only problem is i don't have any experience in using it...i have watched a few of your videos, but i'm still struggling.

would also like to say that's a very powerful software you've created man!
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01-13-2015 , 01:30 PM
Hi Q,

May I ask why are you reluctant about the possibility of inputing weighted ranges?
For people studying population tendencies this would be a complete breaktrough, especially if one would be able to directly export weighted ranges from PT4 into ICMIZER (from the Hold'em Range Visualizer if you see what I mean).

I know Nash is hard there, but it would be already super important to just have for computing optimal 3bshoving ranges (simple ev calculations) etc..

I am not aware of any sw that does anything like this, which I find really strange (given that they seem to do more complicated things).

Thanks
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01-13-2015 , 09:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xkcd
Hi Q,

May I ask why are you reluctant about the possibility of inputing weighted ranges?
For people studying population tendencies this would be a complete breaktrough, especially if one would be able to directly export weighted ranges from PT4 into ICMIZER (from the Hold'em Range Visualizer if you see what I mean).

I know Nash is hard there, but it would be already super important to just have for computing optimal 3bshoving ranges (simple ev calculations) etc..

I am not aware of any sw that does anything like this, which I find really strange (given that they seem to do more complicated things).

Thanks
Hey.
We have a clear plan for what ICMIZER will be and right now we do not plan adding weighted ranges support.
In order to create a great product you have to say no to some features. Weighted ranges is such a feature for us (for now).

Even in 2015 I believe most players either push or fold their hands. Thats practical. Pushing A7s 44% of the time isn't practical and the change in general strategy EV is minimal.

Once poker gets into stage where such minor nuances become of important value we will add it for sure. But I do hope such time isn't coming very soon, cause games would become really unplayable for anyone but top experts.
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01-14-2015 , 03:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q
Hey.
We have a clear plan for what ICMIZER will be and right now we do not plan adding weighted ranges support.
In order to create a great product you have to say no to some features. Weighted ranges is such a feature for us (for now).

Even in 2015 I believe most players either push or fold their hands. Thats practical. Pushing A7s 44% of the time isn't practical and the change in general strategy EV is minimal.

Once poker gets into stage where such minor nuances become of important value we will add it for sure. But I do hope such time isn't coming very soon, cause games would become really unplayable for anyone but top experts.
Hi Q,

thanks for your answer. It is true that most single players push or fold either 100% or 0% single hands. It is also true, that data of average villain is by construction weighted (couldn't be otherwise). So just to beclear, I am not asking ICMIZER to output weighted ranges. For instance:

If villain calls 3bs with 11% from bu. Those 11% can be distributed in various ways, and having simple binary options is very restrictive in some cases I found.

Anyway, I respect your decision of willing to keep the software simple, I just wanted to speak out for a part of the community that would find such feature very important.
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01-20-2015 , 01:51 AM
Hi there I'm thinking of buying your product but hoping you can tell me if it will work with things like this : I'm currently playing spin and gos , btn min raises I have j,t in the sb. Can I assign a range to btn and bb and see what equity I have from calling and raising etc? I'm not very smart with this kind if thing but is spots I want to work out where I'm at.
Thanks.
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01-20-2015 , 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamhussler
Hi there I'm thinking of buying your product but hoping you can tell me if it will work with things like this : I'm currently playing spin and gos , btn min raises I have j,t in the sb. Can I assign a range to btn and bb and see what equity I have from calling and raising etc? I'm not very smart with this kind if thing but is spots I want to work out where I'm at.
Thanks.
Hey. Thanks for your message.
ICMIZER is about figuring out what decision is best: push or fold.
It is a preflop calculator, so it doesn't review postflop scenarios.

Back to your situation. If btn raises in Spin&Go you can assign his raising range and his calling range versus your push and see which hands should be pushed and which should be folded.

However ICMIZER won't suggest you any call-raise hands, because that implies postflop, which has unpredictable EV. The whole idea of preflop analysis is that we can estimate equity of our hands going all-in, but for postflop such analysis is impossible (too many potential variables: cards, actions, betsizes) so we cannot forsee how our stack will change as a result of postflop action.

In spin&gos it quickly gets to a phase where its either push or fold and often the best response to a minraise when not deep stacked is either a push or a fold, especially out of position. Calling minraises with less than 18 blinds is tricky and can lead to disastrous postflop results, so by limiting your play to mathematically sound pushes or fold you make your strategy less volatile and force a difficult decision back on the raiser.
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