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09-19-2014 , 11:11 AM
Thank you sir.
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09-21-2014 , 04:14 PM
Hi,

I've installed today ICMizer on my new PC and my shortcut is blank.Why is that? I'm using Win 8.1.
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09-21-2014 , 04:30 PM
Hey h^8

Indeed Win8.1 incorrecty handles ICMIZER icon.
Please download this icon and manually update the shortcut properties to use it:
http://www.icmpoker.com/images/icmizer_32.ico
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09-21-2014 , 07:40 PM
Hello I took a one month subscription and icmizer icmizer bugg told me that I have
calculate too many hands for the day and normal could you tell me thank you
lino66
ps I'm french
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09-21-2014 , 09:09 PM
Hey lino66, I've increased your limits.
You are welcome, enjoy studying with icmizer!
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09-22-2014 , 08:50 PM
Hello

Recently my custom tournament payout structures stopped saving. The old ones are still there but the news ones disappear after I restart the program. Any tips? Thanks in advance for your help.
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09-22-2014 , 09:40 PM
Hey konrad.

That sounds odd. Could you reach me out via email support at icmpoker.com and provide more detail about the problem - your acc name, how many payouts you already have, what kind of payout structure doesn't get saved etc.
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09-23-2014 , 08:58 AM
Is there a way to weight particular ranges.

For example of a villain 3 bet/calls a range of AA-JJ but I know he flats AA 25% of the time. It makes a big difference to ranges.

Also regarding bust probability on on a raise/call.
Is this the probability total that we bust. Say for arguments sake a spot gives us 50% bust in the program raise calling a pair versus a btn shoving top 20% hands.

Or is it actually the bust % when we actually get all in and are called. i.e we open get shoved on say 20% of the time and then call and lose 50%

So on reality we bust 0.5x0.2 which is 10% and very different. Is there a way to have both of those probabilites put into the program?
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09-23-2014 , 04:00 PM
Hey buffyslayer1

Thanks for questions

1) Currently we don't plan to add weights for hands in ranges. I believe every few players can make such insanely precise estimations about opponent ranges, in most cases this doesn't make sense. Our goal is to keep ICMIZER easy-to-use and natural for a majority of players. In real world its usually hard to guess opponent range with 2% precision or even worse.

2) This is total weighted probabilty of bust. So in call spots it will be much larger than in open push spots, because you are rarely called in push spots, and in call spots you always call and there is a good chance of busting right there.

As for two probabilities, no this is not planned either.
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10-01-2014 , 10:41 AM
Is there any way of removing a payout structure or editing it once it has been created? If so, how?

Also, I had trouble creating a payout structure for the 6 max $37.5 pokerstars satelite. First and second place get a $109 tournament ticket and third place gets $2.5. However, it seems several dollars are simply not distributed in any other way. Therefore ICMizer doesn't let me complete the payout structure.
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10-01-2014 , 04:16 PM
Hey frankrowley0808

No there is no way to edit a payout structure.

As for creating it for $37.5 satellite, simply enter the correct prizepool ($220.5) and 1 player in dollar mode, and distribute it according to the actual payout.

Second approach: you can create it in % mode and put those 3 payouts as percentages.

It should be created without problems.
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10-01-2014 , 11:04 PM
In order to enter the correct prize pool, I had to modify the buyin amount from the real 37.5 to 36.75 which changed the total of the distributed buyins to $220.5. Then I entered first and second place $109 and third place $2.5.

Is this going to give me accurate results then?

Also, thanks a lot for your quick response.
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10-02-2014 , 01:52 AM
Hey, you are welcome.

Yes, what is important is not the number of players, but the way in which the prizes are assigned, if the result is 3 prizes which correspond to 3 actual payouts the results will be accurate.

Number of players & buy-in is simply a way to make sure that you enter the prizepool correctly. Its a little counter intuitive and will be reworked soon.
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10-03-2014 , 08:43 PM
I love your software guys but I got a question.

If I understand correctly, if every player uses Nash ranges there is no incentive for anyone to change their ranges. Is this correct?

With your software I calculated a Nash equilibrium for a winner-take-all SnG where every player has a 10bb stack. It says that button should shove 33%. However, if I now press the Calculate button, it says that the button should shove 35%. So it seems to be that the button actually benefits from changing his range, which would imply it's not an equilibrium.

What am I doing wrong?
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10-06-2014 , 02:21 AM
Hi Q,

I have been reading some of your content online, such as your MTT instructional video and this interview where you said the following:

"ICMIZER is using a special algorithm for ICM calculations for more than 10 players, which has reasonable performance for up to 60 players instead of the traditional 10 players."

How accurate are the results when e.g. there are 200 places that pay and you are making a calculation for a spot where 230 players remain?

PS. For now, I change untick the MTT button to get the nash ranges for a single table, and then reclick that button as you suggested to do in your instructional video.
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10-06-2014 , 01:22 PM
Hi, i paid for a 1 month subscription today before i had created an account. I was then asked to create an account after paying but now cannot get my subscription code into the box. No option to copy and paste and unable to type/write any numbers/letters? Can someone help please. Thanks.
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10-06-2014 , 01:35 PM
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Hi, i paid for a 1 month subscription today before i had created an account. I was then asked to create an account after paying but now cannot get my subscription code into the box. No option to copy and paste and unable to type/write any numbers/letters? Can someone help please. Thanks.
Hey L3goH3ad. You need to log in to your account in order to be able to activate the subscription key.
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10-06-2014 , 01:42 PM
I am in my account currently but i cannot type anything into the 'activate subscription key' nor copy and paste as i mentioned.
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10-06-2014 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stoeptegel41
I love your software guys but I got a question.

If I understand correctly, if every player uses Nash ranges there is no incentive for anyone to change their ranges. Is this correct?

With your software I calculated a Nash equilibrium for a winner-take-all SnG where every player has a 10bb stack. It says that button should shove 33%. However, if I now press the Calculate button, it says that the button should shove 35%. So it seems to be that the button actually benefits from changing his range, which would imply it's not an equilibrium.

What am I doing wrong?
Hey. You understand correctly, if the Nash equilibrium existed, it would mean that players won't change their ranges. However, ICMIZER usually finds a Nash equilibrium approximation. That is not an equilibrium, but it is very close.

ICMIZER finds a pure-strategy Nash equilibriium approximation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strateg...xed_strategies

For poker preflop pure-strategy means that players will either push a hand 100% of the time or fold it 100% of the time. Your opponents are usually following pure strategy, they are not sitting there with dice or random generators.
Mixed strategy means that their ranges include hands which they will play but not 100% of the time, for example 37% of the time or 67% of the time. This can allow to get a closer Nash equilibrium approximation (pure nash equilibrium rarely exists) but it makes results less useful, because it is unclear how you are supposed to follow this mixed-strategy during your 10 seconds to act in poker client.

I recommend to read this article I wrote about this topic:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/
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10-06-2014 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by L3goH3ad
I am in my account currently but i cannot type anything into the 'activate subscription key' nor copy and paste as i mentioned.
Could you please attach a screenshot with this screen and cursor in the text field for the key.
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10-07-2014 , 12:22 PM
Hi Q,

Thank you for Icmizer. I really enjoy using your program.

I've got one question, or maybe suggestion. One of the feature of your program is a decision tree. It's a nice feature but the form of plain text makes it a bit boring to read and analyze. Would it be possible to transform it to the more graphical form? I mean, something like decision tree in CardrunnersEV.

Regards,
TheRider
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10-07-2014 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by frankrowley0808
Hi Q,

I have been reading some of your content online, such as your MTT instructional video and this interview where you said the following:

"ICMIZER is using a special algorithm for ICM calculations for more than 10 players, which has reasonable performance for up to 60 players instead of the traditional 10 players."

How accurate are the results when e.g. there are 200 places that pay and you are making a calculation for a spot where 230 players remain?

PS. For now, I change untick the MTT button to get the nash ranges for a single table, and then reclick that button as you suggested to do in your instructional video.
Hey frankrowley0808. Traditional ICM algorithm becomes very slow if you increase number of players beyond 14. It can take literally years to calculate ICM for 20+ players and 20+ different payouts. Before ICMIZER introduced MTT ICM calculator the only alternative MTT players had was using Chip EV calculations. However ICMIZER allows to perform ICM calculations with up to 60 players using a special fast ICM algorithm. It takes into account relative stack sizes, payouts and is very close to standard precise ICM algorithm. However it is also slow, and it is currently limited with 60 players.

There is no way for me to check the results of traditional ICM algorithm for 230 players and 200 payouts because it will take infinite time to complete the calculation. And even ICMIZER ICM formula also will take forever to calculate it so we cannot compare.

The alternatives MTT player has is either no ICM (chip EV) which ignore payouts and stacksizes alltogether or ICMIZER with our fast ICM algorithm which produces superior results compared to Chip EV. What we cannot do is compare precise ICM with fast ICM algorithm, because precise ICM is not working where fast ICM algorithm is still working.

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Originally Posted by TheRider
Hi Q,

Thank you for Icmizer. I really enjoy using your program.

I've got one question, or maybe suggestion. One of the feature of your program is a decision tree. It's a nice feature but the form of plain text makes it a bit boring to read and analyze. Would it be possible to transform it to the more graphical form? I mean, something like decision tree in CardrunnersEV.

Regards,
TheRider

Hey TheRider. You are very welcome. Thanks for your question.
The decision tree feature is targeted on experts and it is unlikely to change its form.
One of the main purposes of it is to grant a way for someone to check whether ICMIZER performs accurate calculations.
It serves this purpose very well.

Last edited by Q; 10-07-2014 at 02:09 PM.
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10-07-2014 , 06:31 PM
Thanks for your reply Q,

I would like to ask you one more question. I am SnG and Icmizer beginner. In order to understand Icmizer better I watched all videos and read most of articles from your website. But there is still one topic which I believe is not covered enough. I'm thinking about assigning ranges. I know it comes with experience but I like to have some theoretical background at the beginning. I just learn quicker if I know what I'm doing. In a Nash Equilibrium video you have said that Nash ranges are good for a beginners to give them idea, but could you give some ideas which information I can use to assign ranges more accurately than Nash? I mean what kind of stats from HUD or what reads I can use. Maybe you know some articles or videos you could give a link to.

Regards,
TheRider
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10-07-2014 , 08:09 PM
Hey TheRider.

Now thats a million dollar question. ICMIZER is pretty cheap software at less than 10$ per month. Compared to that price professional players are definately getting much more value out of it than beginners, and that value comes from their skills of using it.

With more experience, skill and understanding of your table you will be able to adjust ranges accordingly, to take into account every possible bit of information available, and to get the results which are the most precise to the actual situation.

It can take a long time to master assignment of ranges. Nash equilibrium is a great spot to start. Observing your opponents is another important area of knowledge. If nash says they should call with K8o, but when they actually call they always show up with KTo, you know that you should adjust ranges and make them tighter.

Generally the more hands you review and the more you play poker and spend time with ICMIZER the better your range assignment skills will become. I believe you can get some coaching and ask coach this kind of question, like how do I assign ranges to my opponents. But it will be costly. I am not aware of some amazing materials which can help in this area.

You are doing a great job by reading articles and watching videos. A lot of players assume that just buying ICMIZER will improve their game. I have to admit, you got work with it in order to get maximum value out of it and to work efficiently you need to understand the tool and the problem.
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10-08-2014 , 05:20 AM
Can someone please explain all of the different over call ranges that come up when a hand is entered into ICMIZER? I think i understand but i'm not sure if the ranges i'm entering are in the correct boxes? Thanks
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