Wonderful. So I'm screwed. Thanks

lotuselise88, when did you make the purchase?

I realize that even though rules are there, you might have missed them all completely.
If its been just a few days since purchase, I'll issue you the refund.

I'll pm you

IS WPN supported? i dont see it in there. It seems like a great software program. never heard of it till watching a CardRunners video. Oh i see that it loads PokerTracker so thats cool too

I believe WPN is winning poker network?
If thats true, then no, thats currently not supported.

Please send me a pack of hands for this network to http://www.icmpoker.com/en/feedback/ email from this page and I will add support for this at some point in near future.

Hey. I have fixed at least the first part, now that format correctly imports antes and player actions.

Let me know if second part still doesn't work though..

bought yesterday icmizer for 1 year and i got info that i will receive 1 week code for my friend... i was pretty sure that ill get it by email thats why i didnt take screenshot of this code. what now?

Hey HateMonday, it should be in your email!

If you still cant find it, please contect me via email and I will send you your 1 week key.

Support email is: support@icmpoker.com

Thanks,
Q

it was in spam folder ;o

Hey Q awesome programme i cant believe its taken me this long to get it !

How do i export a hand from HM2 to ICMIZER ? at the moment i am HM2 Replayer-export hand-copy to desktop- paste from desktop to ICMIZER but i presume there a quicker way ?

Is there a way to save the details from each calculation as text format ?

Thanks again

Hey chasepoker.

I havent had extensive experience with HM2, but I asked a friend and he says that you can it do the same way as I do it in HM1 - right click on selected hand or selected hands in list of hands, and choose [Copy to clipboard] (or smth) and then just paste to ICMIZER.

Let me know if it works. If someone else knows an exact answer on this I would appreciate if you help us out here.

Regarding saving calculations, I am not sure what you want to save as text?
You can hit [Share this result] button, and that will provide you with a quick way to get to this exact calculation result. Other kinds of saving/exporting are not directly provided, you can copy range with CTRL+C for example though.

Thanks for the reply.

Right click copy works on HM2

I have been just been taking screen shots and saving the file i like to keep hands i have reviewed so i can go over them again later but keeping the screenshot is fine.

Once again this is awesome, purchased a month definitely getting a year when it expires :-)

I have added support for Revolution network hands in ICMIZER.

Let me know how it goes, cause my hand sample might not cover all of potential hand special cases.

Hi, any chance to pay for your program directly through PokerStars money transfer?

sorry for the dumb question - can you please advise why im getting different shoving ranges when i click 'calculate' as opposed to 'calculate nash eq'?

thank you very much.

Hey. Unfortunately currently I cannot offer any other payment options except the ones available at the website: PayPal and Credit Card.

Note that you may ask your friend to buy ICMIZER key for you using Creditcard or paypal, and send him the funds via PokerStars transfer, and he will send you the ICMIZER key.

That process is supported.

Hey buttonclicker.

This is a popular and pretty big and important question so I have written an article describing the problem and observed effect in details.

You can read it here: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/

Thank you very much.

Hey
Does icimizer shows wrong? I did go through some nash calculations and had pretty bad mistakes in there. Its like in some ways, i cant rely on icimizer and have to make multiple calculations to be sure it shows correct hands, but its time consuming.




Now, you can see there that, the ranges of BB call is changing. Why is that so?
Also if u look at math, with 10bb no ante youre going to need 44% equity for a call, ATs against 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+ has only 41% equity, how can it show it? Also KQs against same ranges has higher equity(42%). Also 66 aint having enghou equity to make it a call neither or 77, 88 is all most 44% equity.

Any suggestions how to be sure it shows me correct info any in ways im running calculations?

It is math behind the calculations and it shows you the correct info, that is the results of calculations performed according to implemented algorithms.

There are some details though going on, which are important in this case, in actual implementations of certain algorithms, like Nash calculation which can lead to slight mistakes, like few hands which are actually slightly +EV not being present in range, or hands being slight -EV being present in some range.

The big problem with your scenario is that with this kind of highly theoretical spot, 9 players, UTG push, all got 10 BB the Nash calculation becomes highly speculative.

You see, performing a Nash calculation assumes that players limit themselves to push or fold decisions preflop. Of-course in 9 table with all players at 10BB it is just not likely that players are in push fold mode, that there will be no minraises or limps (especially as we get closer to BB position).

So analyzing UTG plays with nash calculation and many players is not something I would call useful in the first place. There are big assumptions in place when we are dealing with Nash, and a lot of them are not true in spots like this.

You can learn more about limitations of Nash calculations here: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/nash...tegy-in-poker/ I also recommend watching a video linked on that page after the article to get a better understanding of the Nash calculation problem, since you seem to be interested in getting to know this topic better.

Remember that in MTTs bubble factor is always greater than 1. So running chipEV calculations is wrong by definition, unless your tournament is winner take all.

So generally the farther the pusher is from the BB, and the deeper the stacks the more speculative preflop calculations become. I recommend to analyze pushes and calls from late positions first, how to defend BB, how to push from SB, BTN,CO,HIJ. Going outside of those positions and getting closer to UTG is not so useful - they are usually very tight. Also they represent much smaller % of bread and butter push fold spots of tournament. (that is, pushes from UTG 9 way happen much less frequently as pushes from late position, even not a really too late position like HIJ).

The mistake which you call "big" given the circumstances, and actual size - just a few pairs showing as +EV while being not +EV vs UTG push is pretty small in my book, and given highly speculative spot type I wouldn't focus too much time on analyzing it in the first place.

Also, the mistake here is actually bigger than in a majority of relevant push fold spots, due to special circumstances, like pusher position. You can check and see for yourself that in pushes from later positions mistakes of this size don't really happen often.

You can get even more speculative results if you increase stack depth to say 20BB.
And btw I also recommend you to check out the article I mentioned earlier, I believe its also relevant to your question:

http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/

Remember, that after Nash calculation is performed, there can be some mistakes in ranges (explained in article). To get precise result just hit [Calculate] button.

I have a question, lets saywe´re at ft, say a dude shoves 100% b vs b with X stack into my Y stack, (ICM) throws out that calling K2o is +0.02, but calling K2s is +0.14..... how can it be 7x better? if we get a flush on like 1 out of 15...? Am i missing something?

Hey.

Well if you put your question this way, then I guess I can be frank and answer directly: yes you are missing something.

You compare two hands and two positive equities +0.02% and +0.14%..

Ill ask you couple of thought provoking questions: if one hand is +0.0% , then +0.14% or anything positive is infinity times better (cause you can't divide by zero and when you can you get infinity).

If you compare hands with +0.14 and -0.14.. then how many times better is positive hand compared to negative? -1 times better?

This should give an idea that this kind of approach of hand comparison is kinda wrong at the very basic level.

What those values are (0.14%) is EvPush - EvFold. So this result of subtraction is something we are comparing.. EvFold for both K2o and K2s is reasonably close, and EvPush is slightly better for K2s.

When you perform the subtraction of two positive values you can get three types of results, positive, zero and negative. You cant really divide those results and say how many times one is better then the other, thats completely wrong approach from mathematics perspective.

Few questions:

1) It seems that if I e.g. take a screenshot of a hand and say I'm in the bb and I have 300 in chips. In that case, if the blinds are 75/150 with an ante of 15, I have to manually calculate that I have 390 and enter that into ICMizer instead of the 300. I assume this is correct? If so, do you not have any special button I can press, once entering the amounts as they are shown from a screenshot, so that I don't have to manually calculate every time?

2) Little more challenging question: I have a friend who recommended Holdem Resources Calculator to me. I had started using your daily free version of ICMizer and liked it, so figured why not buy it. Great idea offering those few free daily searches! But my question: How is ICMizer better than HRM, pricewise/feature wise?

3) Regarding screenshots: ICMizer offers the option of taking a screenshot. But when I get click the charts button to get that square box with all the hands in it which should be shoved, then I cannot click that screenshot button anymore. Are you aware of this/thinking of resolving this issue?

Q are you there? I didn't get any response from the email I sent you until over a week later. You said to post here. I've done that and now it's been almost a week again.

Hey I am currently finishing my two week vacation, so numbers add up and I wasn't checking 2+2 for a while. Sorry, I don't take it very often =)

1) In case you need to enter a spot from screenshot you will need to run some easy subtractions and additions yourself. Usually if you can take a screenshot of hand, you can also simply save hand text (from poker client or your tracking software) and then easily load it to icmizer.

Adding assistance for this rare case is not planned currently, cause I have a lot of more urgent requests and plans on my list.

2) The question is indeed quite challenging. First of all I am seriously biased towards ICMZIER, and everyone understands that. It is unlikely that my response in comparison with any competing software will offer an answer where I am not presenting my program in good light, so that should be a hint that I am not the right person to ask this question. There are players who have used both programs for their analysis, and I believe getting their opinion can be more valuable and trustworthy. I think that everyone realises that I am unlikely to testify against my program.

That said, I'll try to give a small answer to your question. Pricewise, I think its pretty easy to compare, from what I remember, prices are quite close, so they shouldn't be the deciding factor of choice. Also I believe both programs offer a trial, so you can compare for yourself and choose what is most convenient and easy for you. Everyone is special, and people just have personal preferences for everything. A lot of stuff is speculative or subjective in this area. The programs offer big part of shared functionality, both are preflop calculators. Tbe parts which are different can be important or they can be not important, depending on whether you need those features which only exist in icmizer and do not exist in hrc, and vice versa. ICMIZER offers MTT ICM analysis with up to 60 players for example. So if you are playing MTTs you would probably take that, since from what I know this feature is not to be found elsewhere.
I am also finishing a big update which had been in the work for several months now soon, which will also bring some new exciting and unique feature. However, if you simply have to have something what is available in hrc, and isn't available in icmizer, it will be hard to convince you to choose icmizer.

All in all both programs are powerful and will help everyone on work their preflop game. I have a lot of respect to HRC developer.

I have put a lot of effort in making ICMIZER easy to use, i.e. setup spots and also simply to look good. I believe that those two factors play an important role in choosing any software, and from what I hear ICMIZER is considered quite strong in this area, but again, all this is quite subjective.

3) I plan to add a keyboard shortcut for taking screenshots which will solve this problem. Right now it works as you describe, some popups will be closed when you press button. So to take a screenshot with those closing popups just use usual screenshot in your OS.