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01-03-2014 , 03:21 PM
Hi.

General idea about new features is that I will be adding to ICMIZER features that are required to mass audience only. This whole bust probability thing is curious but hardly very useful, very small part of audience are interested in this statistic, and for the good reason: its hardly very relevant.

You are requesting something noone asked for for last 2 years and hardly needs, so I just have to say no, it won't be added, unless there is big demand on it.

I hope you understand where I am coming from: the program has to have features which are required by major audience and I cannot spend valuable time developing things which will be used by 0.5% of users, when I can do something which will be used by 30%+ of users for example.

I get some odd ideas once in a while and this is my standard "no" response to them. There is nothing personal here so I hope you don't feel offended.
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01-04-2014 , 11:48 AM
How about adding future Game Simulation? Or is that also not very usefull/demanded by a large portion of the audience?
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01-04-2014 , 12:59 PM
Thats demanded of-course and thats what I am working on right now.
Along with Quiz those features are planned to be added this winter =)
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01-09-2014 , 11:46 AM
Is it possible to pay via stars or does it have to be card?
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01-09-2014 , 01:12 PM
Hey is their any video series where ICMIZER is being used like in deucescracked or cardrunners showing different key examples in tournaments . And how to fully utilize it with and understand all its different terms ? thanks (this would be great as I am more of a visual learner)
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01-09-2014 , 05:36 PM
AshB666, contact me via support email regarding that, it can be found here: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/feedback/.

Shermenator, First of all I've recorded several videos myself and since they come from the original developer I strongly recommend to check them out first, to get the basics of the program right. This is very important as understanding where all ranges go for example is the key to getting good results from the program.

I've recorded and updated tutorial which covers exactly that a couple of days ago you can check it out here:

http://www.icmpoker.com/en/video/icmizer-poker-icm-calculator-tutorial/

I recommend to start from here. I also link several other key videos on that page about nash calculator, charts & MTT ICM applications.

I believe there are DC videos (http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/...51-Episode-One),
bluefire poker vods (http://www.bluefirepoker.com/videos/...iew-w-icmizer/)
and CR video: http://www.cardrunners.com/poker-vid...art-2-braminc/

However they are a little outdated, my video is the most recent one.
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01-15-2014 , 12:04 AM


How is this coming? Really really looking forward for this cant wait
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01-15-2014 , 12:25 AM
Hey, yep I understand.
I also can't wait to see how you guys will react to them.

But its going quite slow, but so far I think I still will be able to keep that promise =)
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01-15-2014 , 01:49 PM
Is there a way to import hands into ICMizer and have it show which hands that I shoved significantly wider than NASH or folded significantly looser than NASH? Basically, set a standard deviation from the NASH point and find spots where I'm significantly off the NASH range?

I've never been much of a off the table studier of the Math so I'm sort of new to using these types of programs such as this one but I'd like to improve my study habits.

Currently the way I go about using ICMizer; I mark hands in PT4 that I'm unsure of and then I plug them in and analyze them post game in your program. This seems efficient in a way but I'm just wondering if there might be a better way to go about it. Maybe I'm missing spots this way.
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01-15-2014 , 03:38 PM
Hey cneuy3.

Your process does sound good, thats what I would recommend to my students.
However in your initial quesiton you make an assumption that you should be playing according to Nash.

As we talk about in this article http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/nash...tegy-in-poker/ blindly following Nash is rarely a good idea, since it leads to non exploitive plays and minimizes potential profits.

Unless you are playing the highest stakes (60$+ hypers for example) you shouldn't care too much about Nash ranges, and care more about ranges at your tables.

That said, the answer on your question is no, currently thats not possible in ICMIZER. I plan to add something like this as it seems to be requested, after I finish current features (FGS & Quiz).

But I recommend you not to focus so much on Nash, its not panacea and automatical win strategy, its far from it actually. Its a good starting point, no questions about it.
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01-15-2014 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q
Hey, yep I understand.
I also can't wait to see how you guys will react to them.

But its going quite slow, but so far I think I still will be able to keep that promise =)
Wondering how many hands into the future we´re going to be able to simulate using this new feature on ICMizer?
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01-16-2014 , 06:07 AM
You'll see when its ready
I am pretty sure that no more than 3.

It doesn't make a lot of practical sense to try to assume that players are going to blindly follow Nash for a several subsequent hands.
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01-16-2014 , 09:18 AM
Where can I see how Ben Roberts ICM is calculated?
I read your article, read the forum on 2p2 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ities-1112895/) but the link for Details / justifications / comparisons does not work.

What is different from regular ICM model?
Which do you recommend using for tough bubble spots with stacks <10bb?
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01-16-2014 , 09:37 AM
Hey I am not sure now where you can read about it.

While model is sound I believe it isn't used by any professional SNG player so I simply can't recommend it over usual ICM.
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01-22-2014 , 09:54 AM
Are calculation links permanent?
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01-22-2014 , 11:02 AM
IhitPeople, yes they are.
However at one point in time I have changed format of database and some old links stopped working, but that happened more than a year ago.
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01-24-2014 , 06:47 AM
why is there a difference in the shoving range for the same hand:

when i first click nash:
http://gyazo.com/d1625ff9c5a060fe0832c4e79653b9df

and then click calculate:
http://gyazo.com/014731e4f0bca0c79855912c0f9a90a6
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01-24-2014 , 07:48 AM
Because pure nash equilibrium which is 100% stable usually doesn't exist.
This is a popular question, so I wrote an article on this topic.

Enjoy: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/
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01-24-2014 , 11:07 AM
isnt this a bug?
180men rebuy 11 players left

http://gyazo.com/e4ada8a4f3c21f62eb437a15f9c072c8
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01-24-2014 , 12:50 PM
Hey, no.

You have not entered stacks sum correctly, and sum of total chips at your 5 way table is too big.

So at your table its 368k, yet 180 mans have 270k chips.
When we look at average stack, we see that its 36k so total chips remaining distributed between 11 players is 36*11= 400k. So it leaves us with 6 players on other tables having total of 32k chips.

Of-course ICM will suggest you to fold everything with 6 super short stacks remaining.

Solution: fix your table and total chips in tournament and you will get wider ranges for calls.
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01-24-2014 , 01:17 PM
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01-26-2014 , 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poporella
isnt this a bug?
180men rebuy 11 players left

http://gyazo.com/e4ada8a4f3c21f62eb437a15f9c072c8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q
Hey, no.

You have not entered stacks sum correctly, and sum of total chips at your 5 way table is too big.

So at your table its 368k, yet 180 mans have 270k chips.
This isnt the case for a rebuy 180s
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01-26-2014 , 09:33 AM
Ah, sure missed rebuy part.
But still with 368k chips at the table and 34k average stack for 11 players, you know you have a very weird second table set up. (second table average stack ~ 5k)
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01-28-2014 , 04:54 AM
Hi, I've found a spot where a player flatted my open then another player 3b-jammed and if I am to jam over that then I don't believe any part of the flatter's range will overcall.



However, I don't have the option of giving them a 0% OC range, I'm being forced to give them at least one hand to call with.

Could you update the software so this isn't the case please?

Cheers in advance, Shelly.
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01-28-2014 , 02:53 PM
Hi, this is on my list. Note however that if you leave a single pair in his range it won't affect calculation result (hero range) pretty much at all. I understand the desire to be able to have 0% ranges though and it will be added, but again this hardly ever affects final result. Also I think its a unreally powerful read to assume that flatter in this case will never have a powerful hand in his flat range.
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