Yes, now I see Thanks Q

how were you ever under the impression a4 suited was a call in icmizer? looks pretty clear to me ha, looking at ur screenshot. seriously just wandering?

Hello i tried to review some hands today and got this msg when opening ICMizer



how do i fix this?

Hi g3r4rd0x

Please read this article:

http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/icmi...n-icmpokercom/

Just download the newest 1.6.0 version from here and keep working

http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/

Thanks
Merry Christmas =)

I dont know if it has been asked before, but it would be nice to have a graph showing at what effective stack size its ev+ to shove or not a hand.

Just an idea from a satisfied custumer

hey, spoutnic

Thanks for letting me know that you are satisfied! =)

I think this won't be implemented. Idea of this type of question only makes sense in a narrow range of supported situations, mostly in HU or maybe in Chip EV based spots.

In normal tournament spots there are too many variables (combination of number of players and their stacksizes for example), which make it impossible to answer at what effective stack size it becomes shove or not.

Chips sum also has to remain fixed, so varying hero stack size while other stacks remain the same also doesn't make any sense.

playing around with icmizer and holdem resources (the web calc.) but I see there are different outcomes for nash ranges with the same details?

they seem minor, but still a difference, how come?

Web version uses simplified algorithm which has better running time (faster) but isn't as precise as ICMIZER.

ICMIZER has the most precise calculation algorithm and takes into account different types of card removal effects, some of which are ignored by other calculators providing similar functionality.

This will explain this and other differences you may find.

clear, thanks for the fast response

Have a question regardig a hand detailed results window, for instance. i ren this simulation, its from a 3 handed FT of a $2.50 Turbo 180 SNG on Stars...


After this i click on Detailed Results for that hand and get this...



My questions are...
1.- The Hero (BB) Push BTN Calls NO Overcall its EV 14.12% and the Probability is 88.03%. What those numbers means?
2.- On top it says, Hero bust probability, does this means that if the info i imput its correct i can basically push any two card with the risk of busting of 32.12%?

Why this hh on the Pokerstars 180 man MTTSNG final table prefers A5o and A4o to 88,77 ?

PokerStars Hand #109183092800: Tournament #839723547, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2013/12/28 0:02:17 EET [2013/12/27 17:02:17 ET]
Table '839723547 19' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: danjaylittle (33604 in chips)
Seat 2: varinded50 (10316 in chips)
Seat 3: BSNT_LG (47670 in chips)
Seat 4: huslars (25178 in chips)
Seat 6: Teddybär1211 (52767 in chips)
Seat 7: CharlieMus (24296 in chips)
Seat 8: HRAP163 (40952 in chips)
Seat 9: oskar322 (35217 in chips)
danjaylittle: posts the ante 250
varinded50: posts the ante 250
BSNT_LG: posts the ante 250
huslars: posts the ante 250
Teddybär1211: posts the ante 250
CharlieMus: posts the ante 250
HRAP163: posts the ante 250
oskar322: posts the ante 250
CharlieMus: posts small blind 1250
HRAP163: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to oskar322 [6h 6s]
oskar322: folds
danjaylittle: folds
varinded50: raises 7566 to 10066 and is all-in
BSNT_LG: folds
huslars: calls 10066
Teddybär1211: folds
CharlieMus: calls 8816
HRAP163: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Qc Jh]
CharlieMus: bets 13980 and is all-in
huslars: calls 13980
*** TURN *** [8s Qc Jh] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [8s Qc Jh Qd] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CharlieMus: shows [As Js] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
huslars: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
huslars collected 27960 from side pot
varinded50: shows [2d Ad] (a pair of Queens)
huslars collected 34698 from main pot
CharlieMus finished the tournament in 7th place and received $39.63.
varinded50 finished the tournament in 8th place and received $29.06.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 62658 Main pot 34698. Side pot 27960. | Rake 0
Board [8s Qc Jh Qd 4h]
Seat 1: danjaylittle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: varinded50 showed [2d Ad] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: BSNT_LG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: huslars showed [Kc Kh] and won (62658) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 6: Teddybär1211 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: CharlieMus (small blind) showed [As Js] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 8: HRAP163 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: oskar322 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#HoKn

Link to the previous hand.

Cuz when your holding Ax u got blockers reducing the number of Ax combinations villains might have on their calling ranges imo

rasmer, thanks for link. As onlinepokerwiz says, in this case its more important to have blocker, than to actually hold a strong pair like 88.

Since opponents are calling so tight, having an A increases chance that opponents will fold since its less likely they get dealt their strong AX or AAs.

onlinepokerwiz

1. EV for line means that if this exact event occures, hero stack will have specified EV, after hand is over. This is calculated using simple ICM calculator for resulting stacks distribution.

Probability is 88.03% means that when hero pushes, SB will overcall only in ~12% cases, so in most cases (88%) hero will be all-in without overcall.

If you want to better understand those numbers, you can start with simpler scenarios, HU for starters, then add some simple 3 way BTN push scenarios to get idea of this.

With this resteal scenario its not easy to understand those values. They are generally provided for very curious math heavy players.

2. I can't see the call ranges since this is a resteal scenario but yes, thats what it means. Note however that if hero has opponents covered, his bust probability will be 0% always, since he cannot go busto in this case.

so in this particular scenario, the 88% includes not only the times BB will be the only one calling me (No overcall by the SB) but also the times he´s (BTN) also folding?

BTN calls hero push in 24.8% of cases.

When he calls, in 88.03% SB will not overcall.

This is a tree data structure, so to get full probability you need to multiply leaf probability on probability of each of his parent nodes.

For 3bet situations (villian raises, we want to find +EV 3bet range) are you planning to add chart for villian opening range (with fixed call 3bet range), now we can just look charts with fixed opening range.

I would find this very useful especially cause call 3bet range are transparent, and opening ranges are guessing game.

Hi,
Am new to Icmizer (really loving it so far!) and haven't read this whole thread so apologies if my question has been addressed already:

I am reviewing 18 man turbo sngs from Pokerstars, and loading the whole HH for review. However when I go to a hand that is say, 5 handed when there are still 2 tables left (so 10 or 11 players) and perform the calculations, Icmizer assumes that it is the final table, and gives me the wrong results unless I manually click the mtt tab and adjust the numb er of players left, before I can get some correct results.

Seeing as I am importing an actual HH is it not possible to get Icimzer to read the file and recognise that it can not be the final table etc without me having to change it all manually in order to get the correct ICM results?

other than that, great program and I am finding it incredibly helpful,
thanks
Paul

ginandbread, sounds very reasonable. Might be added, but not very soon.

MiaCrank, unfortunately its impossible to guess the MTT type from hand text. So you have to manually click MTT checkbox in order to get correct ICM based results.

Thanks for kind words!

Everyone, Happy New Year =)

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whats the problem?

Hey HateMonday.

I've answered about this earlier: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=554

And there is news regarding this issue on website on main page and on ICMIZER page too.

Please read this article:

http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/icmi...n-icmpokercom/

You just need to download the newest 1.6.0 version from here and keep working

http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/

Thanks
Happy New Year =)

Perhaps im overthinking stuff too much and not taking simple concepts as for what they are but would like to have a definition for this Hero bust probability %, thanks

Sure, reasonable thing to ask!

Its simply: our chance to bust when we push.

If player has the big stack its zero for obvious reasons.
When we are facing a push its usually close to 50%, when we are open shoving it can be pretty slim, depending on chance of getting called.

Think i got it, the risk of busto when we push drops dramatically due to our fold equity and i guess since thats non-existing when we call and asuming a somehow EV calling decission on our part (sometimes its less due to pot odds call) its why u say its "...close to 50%".
But was wondering if it would be better to display that stat not as probability of going busto but chances of winning/loosing the hand, obviously if we have a villain that has us covered and chances of loosing would be our busto probability, but feel like showing the chances of loosing/winning the hand % gives us a much better/effective information for the hand, cheers.

Or at least display it as a secondary info right along side Hero bust probability, think the math its really easy to implement, correct me if im wrong but would be Villains equity on the pot times the time we´re getting called.