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Old 11-26-2013, 05:53 AM   #526
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Hey Jay.

In general I believe you can do this kind of scaling with MTT.

However 180 man with 27 payout structure is quite special and in real MTT usually its closer to top 10% paid than to top 15% (like 27/180), so maybe you should be using a scaled payout structure that better represents your actual MTT.

Also, it's not that I am saying that its greater than 1. It's a given fact: its only 1 when first place finisher gets all the money. You can read some more about bubble factors in MTT in "kill everyone" book.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:54 AM   #527
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Stars or moneybooker options would be nice.
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Old 11-27-2013, 03:04 AM   #528
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Sent a PM about additional payment options.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:56 AM   #529
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hey Q,

purchased icmizer few days ago and i want to say to you as an poker player and as an software developer its really a great piece of software.
not only its more reliable than sngwiz, its the whole arrangment of information given and really great features which make studying spots so much easier and effective.
after trying everything out and read your blog/watch videos i have to say its the pure nuts and i simply dont use sngwiz anymore. worst failure on my part is that i waited so long to test your software :-)

damn great work man

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Old 12-01-2013, 04:33 PM   #530
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Thanks dan! Great to hear =)
I try my best, so its always good to hear that my attempts seem to please and excite players from all over the world sometimes =)
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Old 12-02-2013, 04:40 AM   #531
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Hi,
I`ve compared push fold situation in ICMizer vs poker tracker suggestion. ICMizer is much more close to reality than the 2nd one. Poker tracker is very nittish in push ranges and very loose in calling ranges. Keep up the good work.
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Old 12-11-2013, 02:56 PM   #532
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I purchased ICMIZER yesterday and used me key on my Windwos laptop but recently got a Macbook. Can i uninstall it on my windows and use my code for the Mac?
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Old 12-11-2013, 03:33 PM   #533
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Hey Luke.

ICMIZER is web based tool so all you need is simply log in to ICMIZER from mac.
Note that subscription license is provided per user, not per computer.

So you can use it from different PCs/Macs, but account sharing is not allowed.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:15 PM   #534
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Do you have plans to create nash equilibrium for resteal situations with more than 2 players?
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Old 12-12-2013, 04:34 AM   #535
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avramia, yes thats planned.
Something will be available soon after Quiz and FGS.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:05 AM   #536
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Re: ICMIZER support

Hello,

Just purchased ICMIZER for a year, love it.

I have a request for when loading multiple hand histories and that they can be ordered by timestamp. This way, when I review a big bunch of hands with a replayer I can easily skip to the hand number on ICMIZER to review an ICM/chip ev spot quickly.

Currently I can only order hands by a few things, one of them is blind level which is slightly helpful, but the hands are still in random orders within the blind levels.

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Old 12-14-2013, 05:33 AM   #537
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Re: ICMIZER support

PokerStars Hand #108485613324: Tournament #832800465, $3.31+$0.19 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (90/180)
Table '832800465 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: Dswen20 (402 in chips)
Seat 5: dave_w11 (2041 in chips)
Seat 6: jojoelle (1245 in chips)
Seat 9: mike beast78 (812 in chips)
Dswen20: posts the ante 18
dave_w11: posts the ante 18
jojoelle: posts the ante 18
mike beast78: posts the ante 18
mike beast78: posts small blind 90
Dswen20: posts big blind 180
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mike beast78 [Qh 5c]
dave_w11: folds
jojoelle: folds
mike beast78: raises 360 to 540
Dswen20: calls 204 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (156) returned to mike beast78
*** FLOP *** [Qs 4h 7h]
*** TURN *** [Qs 4h 7h] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 4h 7h 7c] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mike beast78: shows [Qh 5c] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Dswen20: shows [3c 8h] (a pair of Sevens)
mike beast78 collected 840 from pot
Dswen20 finished the tournament in 4th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 840 | Rake 0
Board [Qs 4h 7h 7c 9c]
Seat 3: Dswen20 (big blind) showed [3c 8h] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: dave_w11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jojoelle (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mike beast78 (small blind) showed [Qh 5c] and won (840) with two pair, Queens and Sevens

can you help me why icmizer doesnt read this hand? my friend send it to me lookin for help, he copied it 'from hud in HM2'
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Old 12-14-2013, 06:42 AM   #538
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HateMonday, there is no date in this format for some reason.
Where does this hand come from? Probably not from PS client, cause PS hands always have date in my experience.

lucky_scrote, hey. When you load multiple hands they get loaded in order of hands in file I believe. That is the same order as hands go in tournament. So thats your desired order I believe.

Introducing direct ability for ordering by date is not planned currently.
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Old 12-14-2013, 09:43 AM   #539
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hm2, while playing he clicked on last hand and copied [txt] option from this hand
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:43 PM   #540
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Hmm well , does HM2 copy all hands without date?

If yes, I'll have to add support for this partial format. If it usually does copy date (and I believe it does cause this is first time someone reports issue with PS format), but in rare case doesn't, thats a different story.

But you can also write to HM support and request that they do not hide date from actual hand, cause thats clearly wrong way to do about copying hands.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:35 AM   #541
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Hi Q. I bought ICMizer today but i don t know how to set the payout structure for FullTilt rush on demands...it tends to change because they are dynamic.
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Old 12-15-2013, 02:52 PM   #542
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Me neither.. This is the first time I hear about it. Could you describe what is that rush on demands?
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:22 PM   #543
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Case: HU Effectiv stack 400 chips, blinds 10/20 (20bb)

Hero (sb) MR 40 - Villain (bb) 3BS 400

Hero need 45% equity to call (360/800=0,45%)

When I use ICMIZER to see what I can call an 18.6% 3bs range 20bb deep, I see I can call with A4s and get a better results (-39 chips), istead of fold (-40 chips).

But when I check with a EQ calculator the same A4s against the same 18.6% 3bs range, I only get a equity of 40,1% and it seems like a -EV call.

(3bs range: TT-22,A2+.


What have I missed?

This is HU where the winner takes all so I not need to use any ICM model?

Have use "Chip EV" in this example.
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Old 12-18-2013, 01:50 AM   #544
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I am not providing service of finding math mistakes in others calculations, sorry.

Just rest assured that ICMIZER calculates everything precisely.
If you really wish to figure it out you may ask it in general HU forum.

Or keep looking into your calculation to find a mistake if thats important.
You can use show detailed result for specific hand button to see calculation details, that usually helps a lot.
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Old 12-18-2013, 06:03 AM   #545
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Its not a question of math. Its how to use the program I pay for. A question regarding the use of ICMIZER and this is as far as I can see the only support you have.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:44 AM   #546
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Its a clear math question.

Manually doing 3 way calculation can take 2 + hours. If you provide me with some type of manual three way calculation with mistake and ask me how ICMIZER gets different result I will not spend 2 hours more looking into bunch of summations and multiplications trying to find a mistake.

Of-course its difficult to repeat what ICMIZER does, thats why you use it in the first place instead of manual hand by hand calculations.

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Its how to use the program
You are using it correctly. What is the question about use here?

Like I say hit the detailed result button for A4s and you will see how to get the correct result.

You are simply not using the correct method, not taking everything into account, so you get different result.
"What you missed?" is not ICMIZER support related question.

Again, ICMIZER is the only program which is 100% transparent about how it produces the result.
This transparency is provided via detailed result button.

In other programs you simply see the EV number - you have no idea how it appeared. Were there any mistakes? Who knows. What was taken into account? Information is not available.

Maybe you are not aware of this feature?
It looks like this:

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Old 12-18-2013, 10:17 AM   #547
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I just used the math to show an example where I got the wrong result. With showing this I hoped to get a simple answer to what I should do differently. For example, to switch from "Chip EV" to "ICM% EV".
I thought I used the program successfully, but when I checked with an EQ calculator, it went wrong.
So it was never ment as a math question, but what I had made ​​mistakes in ICMIZER.
I'll see if I can find someone else who can help me.

Anyway thanks Q.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:25 AM   #548
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Well I am ready to help.

Just be more specific in your question.

Chip EV or ICM EV% - if you are analyzing a HU spot, those produce same results, same ranges. So generally HU players prefer Chip EV, for simplicty (or maybe Chip BB EV to ignore actual Blinds size).

Provide me with a screenshot of ICMIZER calculation or a link (Share result button) and your question and I'd be glad to help you to use it correctly, or confirm that you are inputing the problem correctly, which would mean that you get related result.
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:58 AM   #549
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Ok, my bad.


Left shows pokerstove that I get a EQ of 40.1% but i need 45% to call.
To the right ICMIZER shows that A4s is a call. (-39> - 40) If I read it right...
I loss 39 chips to call, but its better then loss of 40 chips when i fold.

Again, its not a question of math, but what I have done wrong in ICMIZER
Can you see anything I have done incorrect?
(Have used the correct range, 22+, A2+ in both programs)
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:16 PM   #550
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Okay. now I get your question and yes you are making a mistake.

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To the right ICMIZER shows that A4s is a call. (-39> - 40)
This is wrong interpretation of result.

look below grid, next to A4s EVs,

EVPush shows 521.1 chips (EV result of pushing)
EvFold shows 560 chips (just losing 40 chips you raised)

So -39 is clear fold. If it were +1 (and it would've been green, not red) it would've been a push.

Generally you are looking for hands which have EvPush - EvFold >0
In case of A4s EvPush-EvFold is < 0 (-39 chips)

Hope it makes sense.
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