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Hey, no I didn't close the case because I didn't have time to do anything about it yet.

I am sorry but this problem with multiple moved players from another tables right now has pretty low priority, but I haven't forgotten and its in my bug list.

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09-19-2013 , 09:05 AM

#452

DLostAlRiver

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 9

Hi Q, I have some questions.

1. Is it possible to put stacks in bbs not in chips?
2. Is it possible to include most important Pokerstars mtts payment structures in %?

PD: Has anyone the point 2 info in order to save time?

Thanks

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09-19-2013 , 11:45 AM

#453

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

Hey DLostAlRiver

1. Currently no. You can view results in terms on BB under Chip BB EV mode though
2. Sure, I can do that. What I need is those most important payment structures.

Which do you think would be most benefitial to add? For example TOP3 or so?

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09-20-2013 , 07:45 PM

#454

DLostAlRiver

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 9

I think it could be great to have most mtts payment structures disployable as there are in case of S&G. MTTs like Pokerstars bigs, hots, SM, Warm up, etc... so it could be easier for us to work with them.

I don´t know if you understand me, sorry for my english

Dlost

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09-20-2013 , 08:49 PM

#455

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

OKs, sounds like a good idea I'll add some of those!

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09-21-2013 , 01:50 AM

#456

bbfreak

journeyman

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 317

http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#BcjO

hi
i am confused
should i set a negative edge when i am in the bb?

if i fold bb i loose 0.7% equity / 425 chips

should i set a -0.7% edge? or -425 chips for chipEV?

ty

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09-21-2013 , 09:41 AM

#457

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

Hey.

No you don't need to set negative Edge.
Your FoldEV is 5620 chips. (6045-425)

So if pushing results in more chips than folding, you push, with positive edge.

Look closely at EvFold and EvPush values, and hit Detailed result button if you are still unsure whats going on.
Everything regarding a calculation is very transparent in ICMIZER.

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09-21-2013 , 09:56 AM

#458

bbfreak

journeyman

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 317

OKAY ty. interesting

lets assume several players left. i have 3bb in bb (2bb after posting). 1 shover: it can be correct to fold total garbage?
i handled it so far this way: i took away the bb and gave it the stealer, then looked how my equity % changed^^. mostly about 2-3% of prizepool. so that it was correct to call almost anything.

tx

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09-21-2013 , 09:59 AM

#459

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

Well just plug that spot in ICMIZER?
Or post specific link to question.

Your expected call range is very wide. But with 2 BB after posting thats still 2BB to call to win ~ 6BB pot, so there are some hands, against some ranges, which should be folded, because they dont have required equity (~33% eq in chip EV mode)

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09-21-2013 , 07:02 PM

#460

bbfreak

journeyman

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 317

to my 1st question: omg hahhaa u are right. total brainbug on my part as always.
always thought the chiploss is not considered . shame on me

2nd: for example this scenario http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#xVXt

i remember u did set once a negative edge when short (but in utg/utg1 spots).
actual 5.77%. now folding 3.88%. push 3.55%.
should i go allin anyway? i saw in a vid: for every bb you must set an edge of about -0.2% (for example with 3bb i must set a -1.4% edge). from 3 to 10 blinds its 7 bb, so 7x 0.2 = 1.4

is that correct or total nonsense? ty very much for your effort!!

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09-21-2013 , 07:14 PM

#461

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

Well its a very clear fold on the situation presented in the link here.

Note that there are a lot of players still in game, so even shortstacked you can wait for a better spot. Taking a negative edge like -0.3% here doesn't make any sense.

And generally you can concentrate only on positive edge for now, negative is more advanced stuff and you should really know what you are doing, when you decide to make a negative call. So it should be clearly justified.

Here you hold inferior hand, and opponent pushes quite tight too. So you just fold and go to next hand. Thats a much better option than calling.

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09-21-2013 , 11:52 PM

#462

xLed

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 522

Is there anyway to select all players and change multiple calling ranges at once? For example you post a hand where you are UTG and you want to increase all players calling range to 10%

Awesome program would just be a thing for speeding up some study spots.

Thanks.

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09-22-2013 , 12:51 AM

#463

bbfreak

journeyman

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 317

hi. thanks for your answer. now i know how to handle this awkward situations

http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#LwZs

just had this: unfortunately there is no "i call and button overalls" option.
i call and if bu overcalls i have 3:1 (25%). my hand is about 28% vs their range. and with icm it was probably breakeven.
i just wanna call the shorty and check it down, not go allin. is there a way to figure out if a call with possible checkdown is in order?
ty

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09-22-2013 , 12:54 AM

#464

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

xLed Hey, nope thats not possible currently.

Actually I plan to add this at some point though, but still not sure if it will be very popular.

With current functionality available I can recommend using saved ranges and drag and drop ranges feature, which can quicken things a little.

Drag and drop is shown in this vid: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/en...u-should-know/

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09-22-2013 , 12:56 AM

#465

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

bbfreak, I checked situation.
No thats not possible to do what you want in ICMIZER, that is calculate what happens if someone checks down postflop in such scenario.

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09-22-2013 , 06:32 AM

#466

Bretty12345

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q

Calculate provides precise calculation given current opponent ranges

Calculate Nash equilibrium finds nash equilibrium approximation given current stacks, bets, blinds and payout structure. Stable Nash solution rarely exists in poker. Thats why sometimes Nash approximation may include -EV hands in some ranges, or do not include some +EV hands, which a normal Calculation will quickly reveal.

Please refer to this video, which I recorded regarding this complex topic, I cover this question among other there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUgwXSU3LtM

Says that the video is private on youtube?

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09-22-2013 , 12:00 PM

#467

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

Hey Bretty12345,

You can now find it in ICMIZER video section on icmizer website here:
http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/en...culator-video/

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09-22-2013 , 08:00 PM

#468

bbfreak

journeyman

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 317

i am shocked^^ per coincidence i found an article about ben roberts model? hääääääääää
should i use that now instead of default? or just in specific scenarios? the diff can be quite large (0.5%)

the T4 hand i asked recently http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#xVXt
with ben roberts its pretty much 0 ev. which i would take. either busto or a stack to work with. better than decide if i call next hand 2bb with another crap hand LOL

ty

Last edited by bbfreak; 09-22-2013 at 08:24 PM.

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09-22-2013 , 08:40 PM

#469

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

Generally Ben Roberts model can be used at your own risk.

It's offered as an option. I can't say anything about it really, besides article on icmizer website.
Its different and because of that it produces different results.

What I can say that from what I know, nearly noone has switched to it for their daily analysis.
So this is sort of disclaimer.

If you ask me, which model you should be using, id answer ICM unless you know better.

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09-22-2013 , 08:44 PM

#470

bbfreak

journeyman

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 317

from the article:
http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#iqNk default - fold -1.07%

http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#pFpY ben roberts +0.47

tx.
edit: ok^^

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09-27-2013 , 12:02 AM

#471

Jay.

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 8,444

Hey Q,

Can you explain the 'Hero range with 0.00 min EV Diff %' option.

My understand is to use this as a buffer if you don't think ICM calculations are completely reliable or you think the stacks behind you when you fold may collide more often or you use it to remove hands with low EV because you believe you have more future equity than this when you fold thus avoiding the % of time you bust, and ICM doesn't take this into account?

Is that correct? Is there anything else i am missing?

Thank you.

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09-27-2013 , 03:20 PM

#472

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

Hey.

Generally that value can be used to edit hero range - to remove some hands if you want to push tighter or to add some, when you want to push lighter.

You can use this in different cases, when you think that you are not sure about ranges and want to play safe, when you are UTG and want to take a negative EV shove, when you think you are really comfortable in tournament and dont want to take any risk unless its very +EV.

There are no musts and shoulds with it though, you can use it as you choose to do.

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09-27-2013 , 04:59 PM

#473

avramia

enthusiast

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 94

I created a hand in ICMIZER.
Is there a way in which I can save the text format so that later I can load it again ?

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09-28-2013 , 08:11 AM

#474

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

avramia, if you want to save a hand just hit calculate, and under result grid hit [Share this result] button

It will create a perma link which will lead to your hand with all ranges, bets, payouts saved etc.

Text format simply doesn't contain enough information (no ranges or payouts).